Smoking Ban Breaches

Chrissy · 16-02-2006 01:05PM

ronoc wrote:

You cough when you drawn dust into your lungs? It must kill you.

Yes, it certainly doesn't help you anyway:- which is why if you work in a dusty environment you have to wear a mask by law, to prevent that stuff getting into your lungs

RoundyMooney · 16-02-2006 01:05PM

The OP is correct. How this point is even up for debate is surprising.

I'm a smoker btw.

rubadub · 16-02-2006 01:06PM

ronoc wrote:

But many people like to jump on the slightest wiff of smoke because again it it is a nobel cause.

Have you actually read any of the replies?

ronoc wrote:

Think about how much hotter and concentrated that smoke is when the smoker draws it into his lungs rather than when it has been floating in the air for long periods of time.

Are you taking the piss. Should I tolerate some scumbag sitting beside me on a bus sniffing glue, stinking up my air and clothes, making my eyes water? I should accept it since he is inhaling more glue fumes than me??

connundrum · 16-02-2006 01:07PM

ronoc wrote:

it simply increases your chances of dying early and increases your chances of serious illness..

How callous, it simply might take a couple of years off your life.. no problem. I didn't intend to do much during those 5-10 years anyway.

ronoc wrote:

Think about how much hotter and concentrated that smoke is when the smoker draws it into his lungs rather than when it has been floating in the air for long periods of time.

So because you're at way more risk as a smoker you have right to tell us that we shouldn't worry too much as you're going to be the 1st one gone anyway. In fairness this is similar to the time Evil Kenivel came up to be and told me not to bother with those silly seatbelts.. he's still alive after all :v:

16-02-2006 01:15PM

connundrum wrote:

How callous, it simply might take a couple of years off your life.. no problem. I didn't intend to do much during those 5-10 years anyway.

Did you read what I said? It increases your chances of if you smoke. It doesn't make it certain.

connundrum wrote:

So because you're at way more risk as a smoker you have right to tell us that we shouldn't worry too much as you're going to be the 1st one gone anyway. In fairness this is similar to the time Evil Kenivel came up to be and told me not to bother with those silly seatbelts.. he's still alive after all :v:

Wrong again. Statisticly smokers have a shorter lifespan. That is not the same as every smokers lifespan is shorter than a non smokers.

Yes because Evil Kenivel is a great analogy to use in this case

16-02-2006 01:21PM

rubadub wrote:

Have you actually read any of the replies?

All of them

Are you taking the piss. Should I tolerate some scumbag sitting beside me on a bus sniffing glue, stinking up my air and clothes, making my eyes water? I should accept it since he is inhaling more glue fumes than me??

Well sniffing glue on a bus was never acceptable so I can't seen to see the connection.

dalk · 16-02-2006 01:23PM

ronoc wrote:

But many people like to jump on the slightest wiff of smoke because again it it is a nobel cause.

No one mentioned passive smoking until you brought it up.

The OP seems to be more concerned about the bad smell and nuisance factor of smoking...

Morrigan · 16-02-2006 01:24PM

ronoc wrote:

Well sniffing glue on a bus was never acceptable so I can't seen to see the connection.

Ronoc, you admit smoking causes harm to those around you and those who directly smoke, right?
But it used to be totally acceptable, so we should always accept it?

“An hour a day in a room with a smoker is
nearly a hundred times more likely to
cause lung cancer in a non-smoker than
20 years spent in a building containing
asbestos.” Sir Richard Doll, 1985

dirtyharry1971 · 16-02-2006 01:32PM

Chrissy wrote:

No I won't accept it. It's illegal & therefore I have a right not to.

Like I said, it's not because of health (because as you say with all the vodka in me that'd be a bit hypocritical of me) but because I can't hold my breath for 2.5hrs, which is what I'd have to do on my way home from a night out, if I was to 'ACCEPT IT'.

The law made no expections, so there are no exceptions!

Whinge Whinge Whinge
The smallest violin in the world is playing the worlds sadest song just for you.
Next time this happens confront the smokers directly and see what happens

rubadub · 16-02-2006 01:32PM

ronoc wrote:

All of them

doesnt seem like it since you ignoring the fact that people are complaining about the smell and coughing. You just keeping going on about cancer.

ronoc wrote:

Well sniffing glue on a bus was never acceptable so I can't seen to see the connection.

WTF!!! sniffing glue is perfectly legal. People do it on buses and some will complain, just like smoking. How can you not see a connection? both people are indulging in legal intoxicants on a bus that others find annoying or irritating, however one is now illegal to do. How can you say it was "never acceptable" I am sure other glue sniffers may not mind, just like other smokers. Or do the majority rule? the majority approve of the smoking ban.

16-02-2006 01:33PM

Morrigan wrote:

Ronoc, you admit smoking causes harm to those around you and those who directly smoke, right?
But it used to be totally acceptable, so we should always accept it?

Nope, I agree there is the possibility of passive smoking causing harm under certain circumstances. But how do you define passive smoking. Sitting with a heavy smoker in a stuffy room for hours every day? A smokey but well ventilated bar? Simply inhaling some passive smoke?
Whats the right answer, well the researchers don't know either.

edit::

doesnt seem like it since you ignoring the fact that people are complaining about the smell and coughing. You just keeping going on about cancer.

I said I prefered smokless pubs. Maybe you should have a read.

killswitch · 16-02-2006 01:34PM

yea

rubadub · 16-02-2006 01:34PM

dirtyharry1971 wrote:

Next time this happens confront the smokers directly and see what happens

next time get some mace and blast them, see how they like it.

Morrigan · 16-02-2006 01:35PM

Some people have this attitude - as if they are untouchable and no one ever has or ever will infringe on their rights - and as long as they are not on the receiving end of the transgression they don't care... I just don't understand it...

Chrissy · 16-02-2006 01:35PM

dirtyharry1971 wrote:

Whinge Whinge Whinge
The smallest violin in the world is playing the worlds sadest song just for you.
Next time this happens confront the smokers directly and see what happens

Oh give over!

You're in the minority on this thread.

I did confront them as I can take abuse no prob.
I got nowhere, which is what I expected, so I reported it, so hopefully I'll see some action that way.

Thanks for your input, much valued:rolleyes:

killswitch · 16-02-2006 01:38PM

I did confront them as I can take abuse no prob.
I got nowhere, which is what I expected, so I reported it, so hopefully I'll see some action that way.

is it physical or mental abuse that u can take cos id expect that u would have gotten a swift slap for even speaking to the "offenders"

Morrigan · 16-02-2006 01:41PM

ronoc wrote:

Nope, I agree there is the possibility of passive smoking causing harm under certain circumstances. But how do you define passive smoking. Sitting with a heavy smoker in a stuffy room for hours every day? A smokey but well ventilated bar? Simply inhaling some passive smoke?
Whats the right answer, well the researchers don't know either.

edit::

I said I prefered smokless pubs. Maybe you should have a read.

I did read that... but you said that sniffing clue has never been acceptable so it wasn't a fair analogy (i.e. that it was fair to complain about, unlike smoking), which implied that you believe that the key reason to accept something (i.e. someone else smoking in your vicinity) is if it has been acceptable in the past...

"The researchers don't know"? Where did you get the idea that it hasn't been defined?
It has been defined. For example:
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=13424

klash · 16-02-2006 01:42PM

A nation of whingers thats what we've become.

Morrigan · 16-02-2006 01:44PM

killswitch wrote:

is it physical or mental abuse that u can take cos id expect that u would have gotten a swift slap for even speaking to the "offenders"

Why do you expect that, Killswitch?

Morrigan · 16-02-2006 01:45PM

klash wrote:

A nation of whingers thats what we've become.

We've always been a nation of whingers! Oh I don't own my own land, Oh all I have to eat is potatoes, Oh I not allowed to speak my native language, Oh I am being forced to learn a dead language...

16-02-2006 01:48PM

Morrigan wrote:

It has been defined. For example:
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=13424

My google skills have failed me but there is lots more research out there besides that.

dirtyharry1971 · 16-02-2006 01:49PM

klash wrote:

A nation of whingers thats what we've become.

I hear ya
Whats happened to us the Irish were once famous for being a nation of drunken louts who didn't give a flying phuck about anything and look at us now a nation of whingers to shame

Oral Slang · 16-02-2006 01:50PM

dirtyharry1971 wrote:

Whinge Whinge Whinge
The smallest violin in the world is playing the worlds sadest song just for you.
Next time this happens confront the smokers directly and see what happens

I have attempted confronting smokers in the past... I was on the 51N one night about 3 years ago. I was sitting halfway up the bus & opened the window because the smoke was ridiculously thick & some scumbag walked up & closed it. I opened it again & he slammed it shut. Again I opened it & he started screaming at me to leave the f**kin thing shut or blah blah blah, so stop being a smartarse Dirtyharry.
I think smoking is a filthy habit. I used to find it was really to breathe the day after I'd go to the pub when smoking was allowed.. It should have always been banned. My mother smokes & never ever smoked in the house. If she showed us that respect to us as children, why should I have to breathe in some random persons dirty smoky air...

killswitch · 16-02-2006 01:51PM

hear hear dirty harry!

Why do you expect that, Killswitch?

you know exactly what i mean, morrigan

Saruman · 16-02-2006 01:53PM

ronoc wrote:

I find it funny how since the smoking ban even the smallest whiff of smoke draws righteous indignation and complaints about ill health. The same people a few years ago were happy to sit in eye wateringly smokey pubs without complaint.

Listen if my grand dad can smoke 30 majors a day since he was 12 years old and has just celebrated his 82nd birthday, still works a 8 hour day 5 days a week and is as good heath if not better than most people his age, a slight whiff of passive smoke from time to time is going to do you no harm.
If it does, I'm sorry but something else was probably going to do you in besides smoking.

I know two people who died of cancer in their 40s, non smoking, non drinking and little stress.
If its in your genes you are screwed. Simple

How well informed you are.. you are looking at it the wrong way around... Your grand father is lucky it seems!!! Just because he is sill alive does not mean this whole cancer link with smoking is rubbish!!
My grandmother for instance died of lung cancer from smoking when i was young.

I absolutly LOATH smoking, i can not be around anyone who smokes.. i did not even start drinking till the ban as i could not be in a pub without wanting to throw up!
Report away... i know of some of my clients who smoke in work etc. if im ever pissed off enough by them i will certainly be reporting it

16-02-2006 01:55PM

Saruman wrote:

How well informed you are.. you are looking at it the wrong way around... Your grand father is lucky it seems!!! Just because he is sill alive does not mean this whole cancer link with smoking is rubbish!!
My grandmother for instance died of lung cancer from smoking when i was young.

I absolutly LOATH smoking, i can not be around anyone who smokes.. i did not even start drinking till the ban as i could not be in a pub without wanting to throw up!
Report away... i know of some of my clients who smoke in work etc. if im ever pissed off enough by them i will certainly be reporting it

Thanks for that mr high and mighty.

You just missed my point by a country mile.

Dooom · 16-02-2006 02:00PM

ronoc wrote:

If its in your genes you are screwed. Simple

Uh cancer isn't in the genes.
IIRC, everyone has cancer cells in their body, but the immune system keeps them in check.
However, smoking decreases the effeciency of the immune system, which allows the cancer cells to break out and spread.
Course not staying healthy etc etc. can lead to the spread of the cells aswell.

jonny68 · 16-02-2006 02:03PM

I only smoke when im drinking and i breach the ban all the time after a certain time in my local and no one complains :rolleyes:

jonny68 · 16-02-2006 02:05PM

Saruman wrote:

How well informed you are.. you are looking at it the wrong way around... Your grand father is lucky it seems!!! Just because he is sill alive does not mean this whole cancer link with smoking is rubbish!!
My grandmother for instance died of lung cancer from smoking when i was young.

I absolutly LOATH smoking, i can not be around anyone who smokes.. i did not even start drinking till the ban as i could not be in a pub without wanting to throw up!
Report away... i know of some of my clients who smoke in work etc. if im ever pissed off enough by them i will certainly be reporting it

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

rubadub · 16-02-2006 02:20PM

jonny68 wrote:

I only smoke when im drinking and i breach the ban all the time after a certain time in my local and no one complains :rolleyes:

What would you do if somebody did complain? punch them in the face like another poster suggested would happen?
Maybe people are afraid to complain, is that alright though?

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