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Free The Ballybrack 3

  • 13-02-2006 11:59PM
    #1
    gm1984
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  • #2
    irlrobins
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    I'm sure if they wanted to work they'd have no prob getting a job on another site. It seems to me that they're just being difficult because they were refused work on a site local to them.

    Lots of constuction going on all over Dublin so they could get work anywhere.

    If they're too lazy to travel to another site well so be it. Thousands of foreign workers have no problem doing it. And by all accounts work better and harder than Irish labourers.

    My 2 cents on it....


  • #3
    Turner
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 3,933 Mod ✭✭✭✭Turner


    I presume they werent jailed for wanting to work, more like breaching a high court injunction.

    What was it the company wouldnt employ locals. Sure if i cant get a job in my locallity i have to look else where. I dont see a problem with it.

    Everybody would love to work a couple of doors down from their house but this is not always possible. Some people commute for hours to and from work.

    They are in court from their own doing, wasting time in an already overstretched legal system.

    Wasters if you ask me.

    I hope they are paying their expenses while they are in court and all the prison officers and gards wages who escort them too and from court.


  • #4
    JimmySmith
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    If i march for them can you get me a job accross the road from my house please.
    I would rather that than have to drive for an hour to work every day.


  • #5
    KdjaCL
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    Do they have safe passes?


    kdjac


  • #6
    gm1984
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    KdjaCL
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    gm1984 wrote:
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    But do they have safe passes?


    kdjac


  • #8
    irlrobins
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    gm1984 wrote:
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    Is it? I'm not familiar with employment law so can anyone confirm this with links to proof?


  • #9
    Binomate
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    I want a job.


  • #10
    OMcGovern
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    gm1984 wrote:
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    They're only in prison for the weekend.... for breeching a high court injunction. Please explain your phrase "they have a right to work there".
    I grew up in Ballybrack, and I don't have a right to any specific job I choose for any particular employer I choose. Maybe I should picket Sony for not letting me test PlayStation games.

    http://www.indymedia.ie/article/74191


  • #11
    gm1984
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  • #12
    Rb
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    Attention whores kicking up a fuss over nothing IMO, so no chance I'm going to any demonstration.


  • #13
    Guy:Incognito
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    gm1984 wrote:
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    The news the other day had workers come out from the site and say that they were in a union. I'm not in a union, is it illegal for me to be working?

    Being in a Union is a right workers have, its not a righ to employement, thats like saying being indian gives you a right to a job (or any other race, just plucked indian from my head)


  • #14
    gm1984
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  • #15
    irlrobins
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    gm1984 wrote:
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    I still question the truth of this statement. Being in a trade union does not give u the right to work where u please. Can you back your statement up?


  • #16
    Rb
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    gm1984 wrote:
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    So this guy can't get a job locally so to avoid him having to travel to work(OH THE HORROR) he decides "f*ck it, I'll go on the dole", what a lazy sh1t! And you're looking for people to support this?


  • #17
    shepthedog
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    Christ, Irish people love a good protest dont they.. Beats working I suppose, lol...

    What a waste of time an energy. If they really wanted to work they would be off working somewhere else not acting the clown.


  • #18
    Guy:Incognito
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    gm1984 wrote:
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    I dont work in the construction industry (my whole family do though). Why ignore the first part of my post about the workers coming out of the site saying on tv that they are in unions?


  • #19
    gm1984
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  • #20
    Rb
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    gm1984 wrote:
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    Unlike your buddies the Ballybrack Bums, the majority of people will be in work/College at that time.
    They seem like real smart people.


  • #21
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,227 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    gm1984 wrote:
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    Signing up to (and breaking if what your saying is true) an agreement still doesnt make it illegal.

    gm1984 wrote:
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    If he's so concerned abotu feeding his family why doesnt he do what everyone else does and go to wherever he wrk is instead of waiting for work to drop into his lap

    I'm not going to retype my question each time so ill just quote myself
    Stekelly wrote:
    I dont work in the construction industry (my whole family do though). Why ignore the first part of my post about the workers coming out of the site saying on tv that they are in unions?


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  • #22
    Rb
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    gm1984 wrote:
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    Then he may want to take a look at himself and figure out wtf is going wrong.
    OR he could always try going outside ballybrack and looking for a job. Theres no way that theres not one job left in the construction industry.

    gm1984 wrote:
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    Fight teh powah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111eleven etc.


  • #23
    Cianos
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    Lads im sure there is more to this than you are presuming. I will admit that OP isnt articulating the matter as proficiently as would be ideal, but considering the same, please dont jump to such an adament conclusion


  • #24
    jimmycrackcorm
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    There is a lot that you's dont know lads, these lads have the right to work there as trade union members

    Nobody has an entitlement to go into a company and demand work as a right.
    but the construction company in question dont employ union members which is by the way ILLEGAL,construction sites have to have union members working on site

    Which law is this?
    secondaly one of the lads in question was declined employment and he then asked for this in writing so he could get the dole which is his right but they refused this request,

    Again a company has no obligation to give a refusal in writing.
    Thirdly the construction company in question have a known history of dodgyness but repeatedly get away with(threw back handers know doubt)

    Can't argue with facts so try to throw in unsubstantiated rubbish.
    plus after putting these lads in prison why is the construction site in question closed for the rest of the month they put them to jail so they could get on with work but shut down the site today for the month...ridiculous and doesnt make sense.

    why indeed?
    and last but not least these are all family men who have partners and kids who are trying to excercise their rights but locked away for it, its not right!!the ordinary people of society have to stand up for their rights

    Bring on the children and their sad little faces.

    These guys were locked up because they are law breakers - simple as that. I cannot understand how it is that they can actually think they have a right to demand an employer take them on? What is this supposed law that demands that local people must be employed?


  • #25
    Jip
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    Feic this, what am I doing commuting 2 hours each day to and from my place of employment when I can go demand a job from one of the many similar companies to where I work less than 5 minutes from my house !
    Fight the power people.

    P.S. I have a dog as a dependent, will this help my case ?


  • #26
    Peace
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    I'd love to work near home, infact i'd love to work from home. What company should i boycott to allow me to do this?

    These guys are in jail because they broke the law, broke a high court injunction infact. Now if they have agrienvance with a particular company/their methods/work practices they should follow proper procedures and channels. Right now they are accomplishing nothing except costing the tax payer to feed and house them.


  • #27
    burpdaworm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2 ✭burpdaworm


    We should all be able to work near home........ infact at home...

    Im starting a campain called W@NKING FOR WORKERS..

    I going to pickett outside the offices of Kleenex until they provide me with a job testing their products from home.

    Its my RIGHT as a worker ..........and a w@nker.


  • #28
    irlrobins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,541 ✭✭✭irlrobins


    gm1984 wrote:
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    I'm going to guess that there won't be too many people joining your cause....:p


  • #29
    dlofnep
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    I don't know much about this. Why are they protesting? Because they weren't given work? I'm not sure how construction or whatever it is they do works - Do employers have the employ - Is it a moral thing.. a legal thing?

    I mean, if I walked into a bank and asked for a job and they didn't give it to me - I wouldn't have the right to protest. I read they were protesting because they won't employ any local people. In this case, that would be discrimination would it not? Still, I'm not sure of the full specifics of this.


  • #30
    OMcGovern
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    The news article just said that they were in prision over the weekend, and have to return to court at a later date.

    I think we're been lied to / exaggerated about the actual extent of these guys "plight" to get more numbers for the "big" demonstration.

    When was the agreement for a minimum percentage union workers agreed ?
    What happens if a company had 100 non union workers to start with, before the agreement. Does that mean it has to sack a certain number, to let union workers in ?

    Nope.... no sympathy for builders, they expect union / state job protection when the rest of us haven't got that.


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  • #31
    SoupyNorman
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    What a weak case they have, I can barely bring myself to reply but I will give it a wally. Who gives two flyin fooks about them ejits, I'm studying employment law in college currently and I'm not sure what books the origional poster is reading but it seems to be half truths and for fook sake stop jabbering on about "RIGHTS" please. It is illegal to be refused employment on the basis of union membership HOWEVER! No employer would in their right mind admit such a reason. The employer was interviewed on the fabulous TV3 news and stated that he had no available work at the moment and that also he had employees who were unionised. Now maybe this is a lie but its not up to those 3muppets to challenge the court without evidence.......just placards!


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