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Very interesting rumour RE: immigrants

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,151 ✭✭✭✭Raskolnikov


    Nuttzz wrote:
    A Nigerian got was getting on a bus, but couldnt get her buggy on the bus, she took the kid out and left it at the bus stop, a lady on the bus asked her about her buggy and the Nigerian told her that she could just go to the welfare office and get another.

    Thats another common BS story that was going around too, these bleedin immigrants taking our jobs, our houses, our women, our welfare, our.....claptrap tbh
    I've actually seen that happen in Cork about a year ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭mocar


    A foreign gentleman came into my place of work today and offered a social welfare cheque of 1,700 to rent a 4 bedroom house. He told my colleague that he wanted to rent a 4 bedroom house for 1700 a month but there would be no deposit as the social welfare would not give him the money for the deposit but would pay his rent every month :eek: .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭billy the squid


    boardy wrote:
    By the way, just because you read it on the Internet or saw it on the television, it does not necessarily mean that it's true.

    I think two documentaries, which I have referenced for you to research yourself, which have also been cleared by the state broadcaster for posible breaches of libel laws, is a far more reliable source of information than the hearsay you are coming out with. Both lead to the creation of the Residential Institutions Redress Board. unless you believe Ms Buckley is a liar.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭boardy


    I think two documentaries, which I have referenced for you to research yourself, which have also been cleared by the state broadcaster for posible breaches of libel laws, is a far more reliable source of information than the hearsay you are coming out with. Both lead to the creation of the Residential Institutions Redress Board. unless you believe Ms Buckley is a liar.

    Based on your posts here and on other threads, I think I will skip "researching" your claims. I am sure (in your mind) that something you saw on television proves that Ireland was always a racist country. Maybe it has television footage of Irish people discriminating against the type of food they ate back in 1847.

    I disagreed with your claim that Ireland was always a racist country. Your proof of this claim is that you saw it on a television show.

    You should look up the definition of "hearsay" as by simply disputing your claim does not make is hearsay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,685 ✭✭✭scargill


    my 2c worth:
    the reason I know that all of these are bs is because if any of this was true do you not think that Justin Barrett would be hopping up and down about it on every radio station ?

    was in the pub one night recently where a friend of a friend swore blind that Nigerians were given a monthly allowance to get an afro !!!!

    it was funny - but he believed it and he managed to convince a few more dimwits that it was true !!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,685 ✭✭✭scargill


    mocar wrote:
    A foreign gentleman came into my place of work today and offered a social welfare cheque of 1,700 to rent a 4 bedroom house. He told my colleague that he wanted to rent a 4 bedroom house for 1700 a month but there would be no deposit as the social welfare would not give him the money for the deposit but would pay his rent every month :eek: .

    this foreign gentleman wasnt from sligo was he ?
    Show Me The Money
    Sunday RTE ONE 8.30pm
    Episode 3 - Natalie and Oisin

    Natalie and Oisin got married at 19 and now have two kids. In their early 20s they have a lifestyle that looks good to they eye.

    Unfortunately they don't know where next month's rent is coming from. Oisin was working in the bank but had to leave as he wasn't earning enough and kept taking out loans.

    Now Oisin and Natalie have no income and rising debts. Should Oisin try to start his own gardening business? Can Natalie really be a stay-at-home Mum? And how will they pay the rent?

    it turns out that Oisin was better off signing on the dole than working in the bank. His take home between social welfare and rent allowances came to the 24,000. He was only earning 30,000 gross in the bank.

    them bloody whities abusing the system !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,292 ✭✭✭gonker


    was better off signing on the dole than working in the bank. His take home between social welfare and rent allowances came to the 24,000
    :eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭RobEire


    jerryadams wrote:
    I'd love if someone out there could shed light on this. I just learned about it this evening and can't say whether it's true or not.

    Apparently, foreign nationals are given cars if claim they are being harrassed on public transport.

    The social welfare is said to be sending out those who claim continued racial abuse on public transport, to select a car (within a budget of course) from a dealer whereupon they will tax and insure it for 3 months, and the new owner must then take over these overheads after this time.

    The person who told me seemed to know a great deal about it, and it's supposed to be common knowledge among the immigrant community.

    Is there anyone out there who works in the social, or who knows more about this, that would be in a position to confirm or deny the above?

    Have heard this a few times but with variations - i.e. only immigrants 'of colour' being offered this, etc. Not sure if it is true but sounds suss.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭RobEire


    mocar wrote:
    A foreign gentleman came into my place of work today and offered a social welfare cheque of 1,700 to rent a 4 bedroom house. He told my colleague that he wanted to rent a 4 bedroom house for 1700 a month but there would be no deposit as the social welfare would not give him the money for the deposit but would pay his rent every month :eek: .

    We have a guy living with us who receives social welfare (he is a full-time mature student). I was not happy to discover that not only do they cover the lions share of his rent, but they also gave him back two thirds of his deposit after he moved in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭MorningStar


    mocar wrote:
    A foreign gentleman came into my place of work today and offered a social welfare cheque of 1,700 to rent a 4 bedroom house. He told my colleague that he wanted to rent a 4 bedroom house for 1700 a month but there would be no deposit as the social welfare would not give him the money for the deposit but would pay his rent every month :eek: .

    How you do not know that people are entitle to rent allowance and work in a business where it is part of the job is a mystery.

    It doesn't really matter if he was foreign or not an Irish person can do the same. In fact I actually dobt that he could get a cheque prior to renting. As a landlord up 2 years ago for certain you couldn't get the cheque untill you were actually renting.

    They were fiddling around with the legislation because they wanted to stop Irish spongers. People moving out of home and then claiming rent allowance.

    I rent 3 places out in one house. THere are 2 irish households and one turkish. The Irish ones pay with social welfare cheques the other pays cash.

    As an Irish single parent without major assets, you need to earn €32k a year to break even before childcare costs. This has nothing to do with your original nationality. If you are entitled to be here you can avail of our social welfare fund and training.

    One of our tenants has been there 11 years getting social welfare payments. So should we kick her out of the country too? Now she has son on her own and has MS but she isn't contributing much now is she:eek:

    We have a socail fund and in the 80s it was abused by Irish people. Unless ALL imigrants are found doing the same I really don't think anybody can say. The majority are working hard and are here to do so.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭billy the squid


    boardy wrote:
    Based on your posts here and on other threads, I think I will skip "researching" your claims. I am sure (in your mind) that something you saw on television proves that Ireland was always a racist country. Maybe it has television footage of Irish people discriminating against the type of food they ate back in 1847.

    Im not quite sure what your ****eing on about food for, but if you want more evidence of racism in Irish society, then I would also suggest you look up the Jewish pogroms of the early 1900s.
    I disagreed with your claim that Ireland was always a racist country. Your proof of this claim is that you saw it on a television show.

    There are strict laws in this country about stating "hearsay" as fact. You are refusing to take the word of the state broadcaster who has to contend with these laws and instead taking the word of something that was said down the pub. don't you think you are being a tad hypocritical.
    You should look up the definition of "hearsay" as by simply disputing your claim does not make is hearsay.

    Look it up and see for yourself before dismissing it out of hand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Freelancer


    boardy wrote:
    Based on your posts here and on other threads, I think I will skip "researching" your claims. I am sure (in your mind) that something you saw on television proves that Ireland was always a racist country. Maybe it has television footage of Irish people discriminating against the type of food they ate back in 1847.

    I disagreed with your claim that Ireland was always a racist country. Your proof of this claim is that you saw it on a television show.

    You should look up the definition of "hearsay" as by simply disputing your claim does not make is hearsay.


    I'd suggest you'd read this, if you'd take a few moments to take your fingers out of your ears and going "LA LA LA LA I can't HEEAAAARRRRR YOU......"
    The anti-semitic boycott in Limerick in the first decade of the 20th century is known as the Limerick Pogrom, and caused many Jews to leave the city. It was instigated by an influential fundamentalist Catholic priest, Fr. John Creagh of the Redemptorist Order. He was moved by his superiors to an island in the Pacific Ocean soon after. He died in Wellington, New Zealand in 1947. Joe Briscoe, son of Robert Briscoe, the Dublin Jewish politician, describes the Limerick episode as “an aberration in an otherwise almost perfect history of Ireland and its treatment of the Jews”.1 Robert Briscoe was a prominent member of the IRA during the Irish War of Independence.

    The Blueshirts of the 1930s were, at least partially, anti-semitic. David Marcus, who was born in Cork, related an incident which occurred when he was a student at UCC. When he rose to speak at a debate, the auditor (who was a member of the Blueshirts) silenced him, as he was a "foreigner" and only "Irishmen" were permitted to speak. He left, and although he wished to forget the incident, other students insisted that he return. The hall was filled with his supporters, the auditor was silenced and David Marcus made his speech. He suffered no further anti-semitic incidents. The Fianna Fáil government later banned the Blueshirts.

    Ireland's behaviour towards Jewish refugees fleeing the Holocaust was, in the later words of Justice Minister Michael McDowell "antipathetic, hostile and unfeeling". Dr Mervyn O'Driscoll of University College Cork reported on the unofficial and official barriers that prevented Jews from finding refuge in Ireland: "A successful applicant in 1938 was typically wealthy, middle-aged or elderly, single from Austria, Roman Catholic and desiring to retire in peace to Ireland and not engage in employment. Only a few Viennese bankers and industrialists met the strict criterion of being Catholic, although possibly of Jewish descent, capable of supporting themselves comfortably without involvement in the economic life of the country."[2] It is estimated that Ireland accepted as few as 30 Jewish refugees before and during World War II.

    There was some domestic anti-Jewish sentiment during World War II as well, most notably expressed in a notorious speech to the Dáil in 1943, when independent T.D. Oliver J. Flanagan advocated "routing the Jews out of the country". Two Irish Jews, Esther Steinberg and her infant son, are known to have been killed during the Holocaust, which otherwise did not substantially directly affect the Jews actually living in Ireland.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ireland


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭boardy


    I have to question the maturity of the pro “Ireland was always a racist country” poster. You are by default condemning millions of people based on some people being anti-semitic.

    The blanket claim of Irish people being racist since time began is astounding and the arguments put forward are incoherent and quite illogical.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Freelancer


    boardy wrote:
    I have to question the maturity of the pro “Ireland was always a racist country” poster. You are by default condemning millions of people based on some people being anti-semitic.

    The blanket claim of Irish people being racist since time began is astounding and the arguments put forward are incoherent and quite illogical.

    No you said Ireland was not a racist country until recently, the other side said that there has been a racist aspect to irish culture for longer than you said.

    You are the one who made a blanket claim, the other side just exposed that the situation is more complex then you think.

    Nice side step about being proved wrong by the way. :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭boardy


    Freelancer wrote:
    No you said Ireland was not a racist country until recently

    Quote me. Not with an inference but with a direct quote.
    Freelancer wrote:
    You are the one who made a blanket claim, the other side just exposed that the situation is more complex then you think.

    My first response on this thread came after the blanket claim that "Ireland was always a racist country".

    Freelancer wrote:
    Nice side step about being proved wrong by the way.

    Was there a hallucinogenic involved in your deductive reasoning?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 RomaBegger


    Hi all!

    My name is RomaBegger and I don't understand what the problem is! I have a wonderful life here in Ireland.

    I came here three months ago and my favourite friend John in the Welfare Department has given me three down-payments already! That clocks into nearly €15,000! But it doesn't matter, really. I am very wealthy anyway. Why else would I up my family to move here?

    I really like it here in Ballsbridge. My house is nice. John said he'd give me a bigger one if I get the wife pregnant again. I weigh up the odds of having a baby to the possibility of accomodation and I think wahey wifey! You know what I mean!

    The only problem with Ireland is that I have nothing to do. Because it is illegal in Romania to work, I have never worked as hard as you. But it's not so bad, at least I get more money than you do. Look at the amount of unemployment benefit I get, no wonder there is no relative poverty in Ireland!

    But yes because I don't want to work and the kids don't go to school I get very bored. Occassionally I decide to get a new haircut from the Afro Grant Association, or maybe I might steal some more of your women.

    But you know, I'm getting very bored. I like my car the State gave me
    (picture here) but, I hear if I get my wife pregnant the State will give me another one. And more free haircuts.

    If only people knew what benefits I'd have. If only I could pretend to be an asylum seeker - then I'd really get the hard cash. But they don't deserve their €20 spending money a week and they should never be allowed to work; sure all they've done is fled from war. Pfft, I could do that.

    Regards.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Freelancer


    boardy wrote:
    Quote me. Not with an inference but with a direct quote.

    The inference of your posts, on this on the traveller thread. You can quibble semantic, but that has been your position on this thread.
    My first response on this thread came after the blanket claim that "Ireland was always a racist country".

    C'mon you issued a blanket denial, that no we weren't. The issue is more complex, there have been racists in this country, you took this personally which is asine, and then refused to believe Billy when he gave some specific examples of racism which pre dates our current influx of immirgrants. Essentially if someone were to say that "today Ireland is a racist country" you'd have no issue? You had issue about the tense. And then deined any claim that at any point before the present day Ireland was a racist country and took offense at the previous generation being labelled as racist. Which, for starts, was a complete over reaction to what was being presented. You then refused to believe or accept any evidence to support this assertion that rascism is not just a modern problem in ireland, it's been alive and well in Ireland for generations.

    So either you're incredibly senstive to the idea that someone might think your Grandad a rascist, not a claim made by anyone, or you refuse to believe rascism has been an issue in Ireland for generations. Becuase on the face of comments like;
    I disagreed with your claim that Ireland was always a racist country. Your proof of this claim is that you saw it on a television show.

    You're refusing to accept any evidence
    Was there a hallucinogenic involved in your deductive reasoning?

    You claimed Billy's report was hearsay, and declined to believe him, I gave specific instances and quotes. But hey denial seems to be ingrained in your personality. So the list of, merely, anti semitic attacks, that I found after a cursory check on the net. Do you deny that rascism was alive n well in ireland for generations?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 322 ✭✭boardy


    Freelancer wrote:
    The inference of your posts ...

    So you cannot quote me.

    Your argument crumbles when in a number of instances you claim I said “something” and then cannot show where I said it. Which means you are lying, and anything you say after that is not credible. Inference can be used to a point but not to where it skews posts.

    You seem upset by the fact that I continue to disagree with the ludicrous statement that “Ireland was always a racist country”. Basing a claim on a television show does not offer irrefutable proof.

    This type of mindset may be an indication of other underlying issues that needs to be addressed elsewhere. Good luck with that.

    And yep, you can have the last word.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭MorningStar


    Freelancer wrote:
    The inference of your posts ...
    boardy wrote:
    So you cannot quote me.
    Freelancer just drop it you can't keep accusing somebody when they haven't said what you think they have.

    Either way racism existed in Ireland for a long time. to argue that an entire country is racist is stupid as it can't be proven one way or the other. It is clear we don't have sate sactioned racismand have programs of intigration.

    Ireland has a history of events by people against a particular minority (travelers, jews, homosexuals etc...). We now have more races so there is more opportunity and reason (in some people eyes) to be racist.

    Stupid myths about entitlements and ignorance of the facts is not an excuse for it. If you believe a story without any facts you are very trusting of people.

    http://www.snopes.com/snopes.asp

    Look that up about various stupid things think or true and how stupid stories get generated


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭rsynnott


    boardy wrote:
    You seem upset by the fact that I continue to disagree with the ludicrous statement that “Ireland was always a racist country”. Basing a claim on a television show does not offer irrefutable proof.

    Of course it was. Until very, very recently, being non-racist was highly unusual, everywhere in the world, Ireland no exception. And we didn't exactly do very well in the latter part of the last century, now, did we?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Freelancer


    You seem upset by the fact that I continue to disagree with the ludicrous statement that “Ireland was always a racist country”. Basing a claim on a television show does not offer irrefutable proof.

    I offered a dirth of evidence not just a documentary. Like I said, your atitude is just "LA LA LA LA I'm not listening"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,610 ✭✭✭dbnavan


    Seriously......when will this thread end?? Mods has the time not come to take out the padlock?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,487 ✭✭✭boneless


    I thought I'd stumbled onto Nazis'r'us!!!!


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