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#62 12-01-2006 02:17PM

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Amaru wrote:

My existing balance was subtracted from my Party cashier account, leaving me with 0, but with money owing. Seen as i didn't expect to be able to keep the money, i just redeposited it from my neteller account, and so now its just business as usual.

At least you don't have to consider yourself a thief now which has got to be worth $400 if you didn't consider yourself such before. Trust can be very important among poker players, no way in hell I would make a bet with, give a loan to, or trust in a deal anyone who stole $400 from a company just because the opportunity arose.

And Deadparrot are you sure you're not mixing Partpoker up with Paradise Poker in Parkwest?

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#63 12-01-2006 03:26PM

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Loved this.

I'm thinking of sending an email to Party, tell me what you think. Something like this:

Dear Incompetent Fools,

Because you people suck at computers, you accidentally gave me $400 today. I decided to play some poker with your money, and I won $97! Then I cashed out. And since you suck at account security, you never noticed! Har! Did you know it's my birthday next week? What an awesome present!

So do you want your money back? Sorry suckers, that ain't gonna happen. It's safely tucked away in my PokerStars account now. And don't think you'll be able to take it from my next deposit, because there won't be a next deposit. I haven't played at Party in about a year, and don't plan to ever again, unless of course you decide to give me another one of these "free bonuses" LOL!

You know PokerStars don't you? The site that hires people with half a brain? The one that's slowly but surely taking all your market share and will be much bigger than your site in a matter of time? Well, that's because they treat their customers like customers, and not like sheep with money to lose.

Isn't it funny how all your cost cutting and outsourcing and lack of organization has now lead to you losing a ton of money? Don't you see the irony here? Did anyone get fired for this little blunder? Or will they just get the money they lost deducted from their MGR?

So how should I spend your money? Booze? Hookers? Maybe I'll go to the bank and get it all in $1 bills, then roll around in it like Eric Cartman ("ooohhh Party Poker's money feels so goooooood on my skin!"). Yup, I think that's what I'll do.

Enjoy! And say hi to Dik**** for me!

Your thief,
Ron Burgundy

But tbh, I agree with Hotspur. Reminds me of the time that a BOI cashmachine screwed up and gave out double money..half the office down there maxing out their account daily limit. Me, I walked on by....

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#64 12-01-2006 03:49PM

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hotspur wrote:

Trust can be very important among poker players,

no way in hell I would make a bet with, give a loan to, or trust in a deal anyone who stole $400 from a company just because the opportunity arose.

Very noble of you I'm sure, but trust among poker players!???

By definition poker players are people who try to outwit, confuse and generally use all sort of trickery to take money off their opponents. At least I do.....:)

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#65 12-01-2006 04:12PM

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Emm this reminds me of when i received a cheque for €11200 last October from VC instead of €1120. There's me laughing all the way to the bank. Laughing until i got a letter 2 weeks later asking for the money back. Was a nice interest free loan though that i'm paying back €30 a week via psot-dated cheques

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#66 12-01-2006 04:33PM

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ianmc38 wrote:

Emm this reminds me of when i received a cheque for €11200 last October from VC instead of €1120. There's me laughing all the way to the bank. Laughing until i got a letter 2 weeks later asking for the money back. Was a nice interest free loan though that i'm paying back €30 a week via psot-dated cheques

is that actually true? if it is its madness... but as far as i am aware, ignoring the moral issue, you are under no legal requirement to pay them back... its their error, and if u so choose u can pay them back 1 cent a month for ever and ever and ever and ever... again... before people attack me on this i think the above is accurate, but i could be wrong, but read somewhere... maybe on boards, that thats the case...

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#67 12-01-2006 04:43PM

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its one of those urban myths, like when the bank gives you free money you don't have to pay it back.
You do have to pay it back, if you dont theyll sue and youll lose the money plus legal costs.

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#68 12-01-2006 05:52PM

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Well in a court of law they will have to prove that you KNEW it wasn't for you and couldn't have been correct.
If you can show you have funds going across your accounts more or less the amount in question on various dates previously (11k :eek: ) and you were expecting a check from them but you were unsure as to the amount, then yes you will be able to keep it. They'll still bring you to court and the
problem will be the cost of the court case, maybe easier to suggest a monthly direct debit and let them wait the 212 years it takes to pay them back.

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#69 12-01-2006 06:04PM

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I study law, yes if your able to prove you really though you were owed the money it will make it harder for them to get it of you. But if your gonna start to lie in court thats not really worth the risk of them calling your bluff.

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#70 12-01-2006 06:55PM

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Honesty is worth more than money in lifes greater scale.

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#71 12-01-2006 07:09PM

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Honesty is -EV

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#72 12-01-2006 07:20PM

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Update.
i left 7 euro in my account which they have taken and will take the rest on new deposits

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#73 12-01-2006 07:27PM

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cormie wrote:

Honesty is worth more than money in lifes greater scale.

Really?

Can't spend honesty in any shop I know of...

Honesty -EV....love it!!!!

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#74 12-01-2006 07:39PM

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hotspur wrote:

Trust can be very important among poker players, no way in hell I would make a bet with, give a loan to, or trust in a deal anyone who stole $400 from a company just because the opportunity arose.

I agree. Players try to beat other out of a pot. We expect a hard fight at the table and respect good play. But if people cheat or borrow money and do not repay then they had better move on.

One weekend I was honoured to be offered a fair sum of money by a well known poker person to play in a tournament. I repaid it on the Monday. I was surprised and pleased that when offering the money he did not lay down any conditions / repayment date.

A player constantly borrowed small amounts from me. When the player won a good four figure sum he avoided me. He still owes.

If I owe I will pay without delay. And I will not knowingly cheat any player or organisation. I expect the same from others and believe most of the regulars are the same.

Now moaning about bad beats - that's unforgivable. S***, I'm describing myself.

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#75 12-01-2006 08:20PM

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Anyone know PartyPoker's company symbol, or the company that ownes them - to look up their stock value. Should be interesting.

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#76 12-01-2006 09:29PM

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Partygaming
Symbol: E:PRTY
They're on the London Stock Exchange
Wasn't much of a freefall today but then again how well publicised has the screw up been anway beyond the poker world.

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#77 12-01-2006 09:58PM

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Last night, a friend of mine availed of Party's wonderful offer and got his rebate money into his account. However, he didn't cash it out. Instead, he went and sat down at the blackjack table, and played higher stakes than he's accustomed to. He lost all 400 to the house in 7 minutes.

To the ethically minded of you out there, did he do anything wrong?

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#78 13-01-2006 12:07PM

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At the very least he tried to do something wrong, just ballsed it up. Not saying I wouldn't have though.

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#79 13-01-2006 01:11PM

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Amaru wrote:

Last night, a friend of mine availed of Party's wonderful offer and got his rebate money into his account. However, he didn't cash it out. Instead, he went and sat down at the blackjack table, and played higher stakes than he's accustomed to. He lost all 400 to the house in 7 minutes.

To the ethically minded of you out there, did he do anything wrong?

Hmm, I wonder if Party can still expect that he pays back the 400. I know he "gave" it to them already, but I think most people knew that they were going to ask for the 400 back. Imagine if (knowing this), you put 400 on one hand of blackjack. If it loses then Party have their money back, if it wins I'd think they couldn't ask for 800 back, just the 400. So they wouldn't want to be giving you a free 400 bet.

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#80 13-01-2006 01:15PM

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ditpoker wrote:

is that actually true? if it is its madness... but as far as i am aware, ignoring the moral issue, you are under no legal requirement to pay them back... its their error, and if u so choose u can pay them back 1 cent a month for ever and ever and ever and ever... again... before people attack me on this i think the above is accurate, but i could be wrong, but read somewhere... maybe on boards, that thats the case...

yes, very true. Im happy with having 11k to play around with interest free for 8 years, so can't really complain.

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#81 13-01-2006 06:28PM

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ianmc38 wrote:

yes, very true. Im happy with having 11k to play around with interest free for 8 years, so can't really complain.

Maybe you can use it to set up a newsletter to promote the other values that speak to how wonderful a person you are, such as:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=312544

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#82 13-01-2006 08:05PM

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hotspur wrote:

Maybe you can use it to set up a newsletter to promote the other values that speak to how wonderful a person you are, such as:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=312544

poker only (mostly) on the poker forum please, all other topics have their particular forums.

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#83 14-01-2006 04:46AM

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I think its pretty low quality to revel in taking $400 bucks from a business. Perhaps as someone mentioned there are a number of crooks at the top but that is unconfirmed.
Essentially you are stealing cash from them. Would you steal cash from the Fitz in such a way if the opportunity arose somehow? I doubt it because you can put faces to the organisation. You cant put faces to Party Poker...so its easy to steal from them.
Big business cant put a face on the **** they do in 3rd world countries which makes it easy to do, send the execs out there for a few weeks and it would be a different story.
All the shareholders who are decent people will likely loose out on this, but that doesnt seem to bother most, because you dont know who they are......

Its all highly unethical and greedy....if you look at it that way!
Put yourself in their shoes....

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#84 14-01-2006 05:02AM

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I think its pretty low quality to revel in taking $400 bucks from a business. Perhaps as someone mentioned there are a number of crooks at the top but that is unconfirmed.
Essentially you are stealing cash from them. Would you steal cash from the Fitz in such a way if the opportunity arose somehow? I doubt it because you can put faces to the organisation. You cant put faces to Party Poker...so its easy to steal from them.
Big business cant put a face on the **** they do in 3rd world countries which makes it easy to do, send the execs out there for a few weeks and it would be a different story.
All the shareholders who are decent people will likely loose out on this, but that doesnt seem to bother most, because you dont know who they are......

Its all highly unethical and greedy....if you look at it that way!
Put yourself in their shoes....

Jeez yeah, I'd never be able to sleep at night if I ever took one cent more than I should from such a morally upstanding and ethically sound company as party gaming. :rolleyes:

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#85 14-01-2006 08:37AM

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"The money was just resting in my account.."

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#86 14-01-2006 02:27PM

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lafortezza wrote:

"The money was just resting in my account.."

LMFAO! Father Ted is the nuts.

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#87 15-01-2006 05:37AM

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NickyOD wrote:

Jeez yeah, I'd never be able to sleep at night if I ever took one cent more than I should from such a morally upstanding and ethically sound company as party gaming. :rolleyes:

Well its slightly more then 1cent.....
Stealing is stealing...its easy to say the cliche that any big business is unethical, but you dont know for sure.....but ah sure take it anyway

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#88 15-01-2006 03:09PM

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Stealing is stealing...

What about blind stealing?

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#89 15-01-2006 04:00PM

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NickyOD wrote:

What about blind stealing?

They should have their hands chopped off

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#90 15-01-2006 06:36PM

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also those b***tards who use deception and lies to win at poker - they should be shot - if you don't have good cards, then don't put in a bet...

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#91 16-01-2006 01:59AM

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Lads i cant believe that no one has complained heartily about party invading your accounts and taking money from it. I dont know what country they are based in but they have no right legally to take money from your accounts under irish law. It may be that in due course they would be entitled to it back but they cant go into your accounts and just take it.

Im just amazed no one put them in a world of sh!t over it.

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