Very interesting rumour RE: immigrants

StupidLikeAFox · 05-01-2006 03:30PM

Hobbes wrote:

So you admit then the other links are all fine then.

No need to go putting words in his mouth, thats a bit childish tbh

RoundyMooney · 05-01-2006 03:30PM

billy the squid wrote:

my comments were about the whole urban ledgend of free cars. not at you. and I still think that the whole "refugees get free cars" rumour should be taken with a bucket load of salt.

Agreed

Hobbes · 05-01-2006 04:12PM

ColHol wrote:

No need to go putting words in his mouth, thats a bit childish tbh

*Shrug* he said the first few links were lying trying to determine which link on what site he will agree to. Not putting words in his mouth looking for an answer.

I guess he's busy looking for his CSO report.

Delboy05 · 05-01-2006 04:24PM

Hobbes wrote:

*Shrug* he said the first few links were lying trying to determine which link on what site he will agree to. Not putting words in his mouth looking for an answer.

I guess he's busy looking for his CSO report.

"he said the first few links were lying" ....where, oh where did i say that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Honest to God, your not worth talking to - not sure what the rules on this board are relating to personal insults as I'm fairly new here- so I'll hold back.

Quote Hobbes: "You said .5 billion. Your figures quoted for 2 of the 4 years you cite is .6 billion. If we were to follow the same trend then Ireland would of spent 1.2 Billion on Asylum seekers. How did you get so off the mark on those figures?"

You really should go back and learn basic maths. Read what i said....slowly:
Direct Provision costs last year 375m
Direct Provision costs the year before that 340m.
Direct Provision does not include costs such as gardai time spent on asylum issues, prison/detention costs/ court and legal fees costs/ grants to the myriad of asylum support groups/ the army of civil servants who work solely on the asylum process etc etc.
Factor in those costs and your annual bill for asylum easily passes the 0.5billion mark in my humble opinion. Is that clear or should i write slower.

You ignore the majority of posts as they don't suit you. You pick out parts of sentences and use them out of context. You have no idea of figures, even basic stats. You don't seem to read the papers or listen to the radio debates. And you use the Socialist Workers Party as a source for info!!!!!!!!!

You're a rare fish, Hobbes, a rare fish.....

Miguel_Sanchez · 05-01-2006 04:43PM

jay-me wrote:

Also i have never been offered "crack" or "weed" on moore street by an irish person

I have. Well weed, not crack. Maybe you just don't look scruffy enough to be offered drugs.

and coke is gettin more widespread too since we accumalated so many asylum seekers (and i use the word lightly)

The spread of coke through Ireland isn't down to asylum seekers, it's down to there being more money in the country.

Xenophobia, how are ya?

Freelancer · 05-01-2006 04:45PM

Delboy05 wrote:

You ignore the majority of posts as they don't suit you. You pick out parts of sentences and use them out of context. You have no idea of figures, even basic stats. You don't seem to read the papers or listen to the radio debates. And you use the Socialist Workers Party as a source for info!!!!!!!!!

You're a rare fish, Hobbes, a rare fish.....

So if the Socialist workers say something it ceases to be true?

Why should he not take their word over yours.

You are essentially doing a slighty more elaborate version of the "my mate down the pub reckons immirgrants get free cars". You've made a number of claims and then demanded he prove them for you.

The argument of your ilk again forms down to "stastistics can lie, people on the internet on the other hand are shining becons of truth, honesty, and do not hyberbolise, exaggerate, or just plain make sh*te up".

You make a claim, you state something as fact, or that it is well publicised in the media. I read the same papers as you, I didn't see this evidence, so would you be a dear and scurry off and prove it. You claim something the onus is on you to support it.

I can't believe some of the shíte your ilk has come up with. You cannot ridicule someones argument, when you are spouting precise figures without providing a source.

roundy mooney wrote:

There are a lot of facts in this world that cannot be quantified or proven

The lack of basic knowledge of what constitutes a fact being the central tennant of most of the arguments here.

dbnavan · 05-01-2006 04:52PM

Tried to leave this thread but couldnt help having a look back in and it just dawned on me, everyone saying they want proof that this is not happening, where ur proof that it is happening???

I mean myself and hobbes pointed out several sites that say its not, I challenge anyone to show me a site that confirms this to be happening, or even tell me more then, "I heard....."

C_Breeze · 05-01-2006 04:58PM

WOW , i cant believe this is still going on !!

THEY DO NOT GET FREE CARS OR PRAMS GUARANTEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -its as easy as that .
now stop this racist bullsh1t

dbnavan · 05-01-2006 05:03PM

C_Breeze wrote:

WOW , i cant believe this is still going on !!

THEY DO NOT GET FREE CARS OR PRAMS GUARANTEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -its as easy as that .
now stop this racist bullsh1t

Excuse me but I am anything but raciest and I dont recall any racial comments made I am sure people would be banned if there was.

C_Breeze · 05-01-2006 05:09PM

dbnavan wrote:

Excuse me but I am anything but raciest and I dont recall any racial comments made I am sure people would be banned if there was.

whoa whoa, im on ur side here.
its just annoys me when other people actually believe all this crap they hear, its so bloody stupid and its been going on for like 11 pages. -it doesnt happen people , get over it.

Delboy05 · 05-01-2006 05:35PM

C_Breeze wrote:

whoa whoa, im on ur side here.
its just annoys me when other people actually believe all this crap they hear, its so bloody stupid and its been going on for like 11 pages. -it doesnt happen people , get over it.

very few people believe that crap - I certainly don't and have made that clear. I'm just pointing out how expensive and bogus the system is.

And for those of you that accuse me of not backing up my facts, here are some:
2003 asylum process cost 353m
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2004/1011/3065936105HM4REFUGEECOSTS.html

2004 asylum process cost 375m
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2005/1216/3107173793HM10COMMITTEE.html

I apologise for getting the 2003 figure wrong...i quoted 340m when it was actually HIGHER at 353m...silly me. (if someone can update those url's i'd be greatful, otherwise copy and paste to your browser)

Now can the pro-asylum bleedin heart brigade answer some of the q's I've posed along the way rather than continuing to make their general sweeping statements re.'ilks' etc.

And for the record Freelancer, when i provided some stats on Nigerians choosing ireland as their #1 destination in the western world , i was ignored by the likes of Hobbes, who did'nt even try to provide reasons as to why he thinks Ireland is so popular.
I think it was dbNavan made the ridiculous and tired comment on Paul McGrath. Is that the best the pro-asylum brigade can do.
I have no problems with asylum seekers....as long as they are genuine, as long as they are here to contribute, as long as I feel they are respecting my country. So don't lecture me about cheering for Paul McGrath or any other irishamn....

Ajnag · 05-01-2006 06:00PM

Incredible!!!
222 post's and not one person stops to think that aslyum seekers may in fact be getting support from non govermental sources such as ngos and support groups :eek:

miju · 05-01-2006 06:03PM

just to add to that Ajnag no one has mentioned the "Dublin Convention" either which which would kinda prove to a point alot of what is being said by some people here

Delboy05 · 05-01-2006 06:13PM

_raptor_ wrote:

just to add to that Ajnag no one has mentioned the "Dublin Convention" either which which would kinda prove to a point alot of what is being said by some people here

Hi raptor,

I have mentioned the Dublin Convention several times throughout this discussion. Hobbes does'nt seem to grasp it and ignores it every time he makes a statement about why asylum seekers end up in Ireland as their first country of choice.
I directly asked dbnavan to provide an answer as to how asylum seekers manage to come to ireland in the first place, without claiming asylum anywhere else...in contradiction of the Dublin convenetion. Again I got no answer, just a general statement about people like me!!!!!

I have found over the years that it is impossible to argue with irish people who form the 'irish = bad, foreign = good' brigade both on and off this site.

Freelancer · 05-01-2006 06:44PM

Delboy05 wrote:

very few people believe that crap - I certainly don't and have made that clear. I'm just pointing out how expensive and bogus the system is.

And for those of you that accuse me of not backing up my facts, here are some:
2003 asylum process cost 353m
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2004/1011/3065936105HM4REFUGEECOSTS.html

2004 asylum process cost 375m
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2005/1216/3107173793HM10COMMITTEE.html

I apologise for getting the 2003 figure wrong...i quoted 340m when it was actually HIGHER at 353m...silly me. (if someone can update those url's i'd be greatful, otherwise copy and paste to your browser)

Slo hand clap

well done, get your statistics on a subscriber website we cannot check.........

And for the record Freelancer, when i provided some stats on Nigerians choosing ireland as their #1 destination in the western world , i was ignored by the likes of Hobbes, who did'nt even try to provide reasons as to why he thinks Ireland is so popular.

Your link (from the Irish refugee council no?) gave the number of Nigerians claiming asylum here, it did not include statistics of the volume of Nigerian refugees in other countries to compare them to. So your suggesting that your link proves that Ireland is the prefered destination of Nigerian asylum seekers is eronious. It proves that the majority of asylum seekers in Ireland come from Nigeria, not that Ireland is the prefered destination for the entire population of Nigeria.

You really don't understand maths or statistics. For you to prove that Ireland is the prefered destination of Nigerian asylum seekers, you're going to have to show that a dispoportinate amount come to Ireland ahead of other countries. For example compare the per captia amount coming to the Uk to Ireland.

See? And you claim Hobbes is bad at this? You're waffling away with figures you cannot prove, or don't even support your assertions.

I think it was dbNavan made the ridiculous and tired comment on Paul McGrath. Is that the best the pro-asylum brigade can do.
I have no problems with asylum seekers....as long as they are genuine, as long as they are here to contribute, as long as I feel they are respecting my country. So don't lecture me about cheering for Paul McGrath or any other irishamn....

When did I say you said anything about Mc Grath?

miju · 05-01-2006 10:49PM

Hobbes wrote:

Read up on it again. Yes they have to register at the first country but it also states that each member country must take on a certain amount of Asylum seekers even if they are not the first country they entered in on. Actually Ireland has the lowest (or near lowest) number of asylum seekers in Europe.

you may want to learn to read Hobbes the Dublin Convention categorically states that any genuine refugee would claim asylum in the first safe country that they land in and is one of the main reasons that the minister for justice signs so many deportation orders

now to be honest with ye all i've been skimming through this whole thread (i can only imagine some of the tripe being posted) but from what i'm reading a clear definition has to be made between a financial asylum seeker and a genuine asylum seeker fleeing from geniune persecution, excuses offered up by Roma gypsies / nigerian FGM / sharia law / kidnap & murder plots against kings and so forth don't hold water in the Geneva Convention and rightly so

Delboy05 · 06-01-2006 01:07AM

Freelancer wrote:

Slo hand clap

well done, get your statistics on a subscriber website we cannot check.........

"Your link (from the Irish refugee council no?) gave the number of Nigerians claiming asylum here, it did not include statistics of the volume of Nigerian refugees in other countries to compare them to. So your suggesting that your link proves that Ireland is the prefered destination of Nigerian asylum seekers is eronious. It proves that the majority of asylum seekers in Ireland come from Nigeria, not that Ireland is the prefered destination for the entire population of Nigeria. "

"You really don't understand maths or statistics. For you to prove that Ireland is the prefered destination of Nigerian asylum seekers, you're going to have to show that a dispoportinate amount come to Ireland ahead of other countries. For example compare the per captia amount coming to the Uk to Ireland."

See? And you claim Hobbes is bad at this? You're waffling away with figures you cannot prove, or don't even support your assertions.

When did I say you said anything about Mc Grath?

it' s rare that 1 post by the opposition can prove u so right. but
quote"Your link (from the Irish refugee council no?) " quote.....I have posted a few links here but the last source i would ever rely upon is the irish refugee councill....a tax payer funded organisation that is so 1-sided it's not funny. Where did i point a stat or source towards the IRC!!!!!!!!

I refer to my original link ,,,from the UNHCR, not the IRC....in 03, 25% of all nigeriam asylum claims in the western world were in good old dear ireland. Check back to the link...stop making up ****, stop living off the goodness of your heart and look at the stats. I have given you the stats....you all have ignored my questions on aslyum...thats ur perogative, but it;s asomine to question the type of country that we are facing....and if you lot had your way the irish would be up the swanee with 20 years.

May i also add.....how sad that when i provide stats, the nore frugal amongst u complain about fee based websites.The irish times is the leading newspaper in this country....i disagree with most of what they print, but i still buy it.....so buy up or shut up....or start quoting some stats of your own for a change

ronbyrne2005 · 06-01-2006 01:23AM

can some mod lock this
the OP was talking about a rumour about immigrants which is obviously nonsense and now its turned into a deportation/ligitimacy of asylum seeker rant.
the un gives us money for the asylum seeker process as far as i am aware.

Delboy05 · 06-01-2006 01:27AM

"freelancer, apologies;
LOL…. Just anecdotally next time you hear a racial comment ask the person if they ever sung 'oh ah Paul McGrath' we had no problem with immigration when he kept the Italians out in 94!"

it was dbNavan who posted that one above, sorry freelancer. A very old and tired argument from the pro-asylum brigade in ireland.
But my stance on the facts i've posted stands....it's not my fault you dont subscribe to the Irish Times.....you asked for stats , I provided them . I read the paper every day, listen to the radio every day....thats why what i state i belive in. Go on, pick holes in that, i know u will, save your slow handclaps for something worthwhile....but do 1 thing in return:

ask me question's about the asylum seekers in ireland...how do they get here, why do they come here....i'd love to hear ur answers on this rather than questioning my statements the whole time....fire away, change my mind on asylum seekers......

Delboy05 · 06-01-2006 01:28AM

ronbyrne2005 wrote:

can some mod lock this

the un gives us money for the asylum seeker process as far as i am aware.

ha,ha...the best reason not to lock this thread.....

Hobbes · 06-01-2006 07:53AM

_raptor_ wrote:

you may want to learn to read Hobbes the Dublin Convention categorically states that any genuine refugee would claim asylum in the first safe country that they land in and is one of the main reasons that the minister for justice signs so many deportation orders

I read it. They can claim in Germany for example being the first country they enter into, however they may be sent here as we have to take on a portion from the EU as a whole depending on certain circumstances. I have also read the dublin II convention which supercedes the first one. It actually clearly states that Ireland under the Dublin convention actually takes on a lot less then its EU counterpart. So not sure how we are getting a huge influx like everyone claims.

Oh and we are covered under the Amsterdam treaty which does mean we have to take on Asylum seekers from other countries (to help with the burden).

As for delboys05 comments. Yes I misread the initial post so didn't notice it was Annual. I do now.

However even so his figures of >.5 billion is bull****. I read both stories he posted. The totals do in fact factor in what he claimed it wasn't.

I am also still waiting for that so called CSO report that claims 25% of the population will be non-Irish by 2025. Any luck with that yet?

MorningStar · 06-01-2006 09:41AM

Hobbes wrote:

I read it. They can claim in Germany for example being the first country they enter into, however they may be sent here as we have to take on a portion from the EU as a whole depending on certain circumstances. I have also read the dublin II convention which supercedes the first one. It actually clearly states that Ireland under the Dublin convention actually takes on a lot less then its EU counterpart. So not sure how we are getting a huge influx like everyone claims.

Oh and we are covered under the Amsterdam treaty which does mean we have to take on Asylum seekers from other countries (to help with the burden).

As for delboys05 comments. Yes I misread the initial post so didn't notice it was Annual. I do now.

However even so his figures of >.5 billion is bull****. I read both stories he posted. The totals do in fact factor in what he claimed it wasn't.

I am also still waiting for that so called CSO report that claims 25% of the population will be non-Irish by 2025. Any luck with that yet?

That's great except that is not what is happening! We aren't taking a portion based on a discussion with Germany or anybody else. They are entering the country and then asking for asylum here. AS the stats posted earlier show Ireland is taking a large percentage than many other countries so it is not a distribution issue.

I am still not sure the Dublin Convention is actually fully in place. I thoiught it was just a proposal and was agreed on but not brought into act.

In fairness Irish born people have been having less children for a long time. Nigerian culture holds family and woman having children very highly. 25% sounds a little overblown but the will out breed us increasing the ethnic varity in this country. I don't want any part of our socity marganalised due to their parents so we should have a process of naturalisation. The governement are not being transparent.
If the poor in this country become a particular race we move from a social poverty issue to a racist environment in many peoples' eyes. The truth however is people who are from a parcticular soci-economic background have always been noticable and discriminated against. We are actually seem to be actively trying to make all imigrants be in the lowest soci-economic group.

The racial hatred building up in this country is preventable with education on both sides.

dbnavan · 06-01-2006 09:49AM

I last night had a meeting with my local TD as I do some work in the area of equality and disability for him, he has told me he is sick off hearing these 'urban legend' questions and as told me, he is going to raise a Dail motion to debate on the topic at the end of January start February in which we hope the government will debate and give clear answers on. I have a couple of weeks to research the questions on people minds about asylum seekers and then I will sit down with him and decide which to ask, after which we plan on making a press statement. (All going to plan!) Some people after this can make what they will from it

Anyone with questions feel free to contact me at david@browneline.com

MorningStar · 06-01-2006 10:10AM

dbnavan wrote:

I last night had a meeting with my local TD as I do some work in the area of equality and disability for him, he has told me he is sick off hearing these 'urban legend' questions and as told me, he is going to raise a Dail motion to debate on the topic at the end of January start February in which we hope the government will debate and give clear answers on. I have a couple of weeks to research the questions on people minds about asylum seekers and then I will sit down with him and decide which to ask, after which we plan on making a press statement. (All going to plan!) Some people after this can make what they will from it

Anyone with questions feel free to contact me at david@browneline.com

I still think that misses the point. Education and INTERGRATION. After dealing with Nigerian people for a while it is obvious certain cultural traits will cause problems. The men are extremely aggressive in discussion ands the woman use crying as manipulation. This is a cultural thing that can't be denied. The traveler community have a similar aggressive nature towards critisim which is incredibbly hard to see past when trying to understand problems. To enter any discssion starting with demanding changes is not the way to go. I understand frustration but people will not warm to helping somebody shouting and screaming about what they want.

dbnavan · 06-01-2006 10:17AM

MorningStar wrote:

I still think that misses the point. Education and INTERGRATION. After dealing with Nigerian people for a while it is obvious certain cultural traits will cause problems. The men are extremely aggressive in discussion ands the woman use crying as manipulation. This is a cultural thing that can't be denied. The traveler community have a similar aggressive nature towards critisim which is incredibbly hard to see past when trying to understand problems. To enter any discssion starting with demanding changes is not the way to go. I understand frustration but people will not warm to helping somebody shouting and screaming about what they want.

I agree however, thats a culteral difference and a totallly different discussion, education and intergration is very important too but it doesnt happen over night.

Thats why most pubs in Boston are irish:D (No need for comments about stupid analogy it was tongue in cheek)

Subliminal · 06-01-2006 10:45AM

I belive/disbelive some of the comments on the thread so far, but i can tell you first hand, that some

SOME

nigerian asylum seekers get extra money than irish people on the dole. I was in unfortunite circumsatnces after the house my flat was in burned down. i was forced to live in a b&b for a few days. I nearly ended up in a hostel flats were so scarce at the time, and was trying everything i could to get ANY flat i could. During my travels around dublin, looking for a place, a friend told me there was a centre in phibsboro that helped people get flats, got a list of landlords etc, and i went there double time the same day. Apart from the fact i was the only irish person there, i was refused entry to the councilers office ( The guy who was supposed to help ) i asked why, and he said Nigerian help centre only. Ok, i can kind of understand that there is a help centre for nigerians, but it still made me mad that i am in a bad way for a place, yet here i was bieng refused entry. I told the guy i wanted to speak to the counciler, and that i just wanted the list of available flats. I told him i was 3 days from ending up in a hostel or the streets. He told me to wait in a room, and went off. In the same room, there was a nigerian woman with 2 kids. A sister ( church based help centre ) was talking to an irish catholic priest, and i heard her say to him, this woman wants to be a catholic. The priest ran over, and sat down talking to her. I thought nothing of it, and in the mean time, this sister comes over, takes one look at me, and says you cant be here, this is accomadation prioroty room. I was kicked out... under threat of gardai called. I did NOT protest, refuse or threaten anyone, and it sickened me to be treated like a criminal, while nigerians are getting tea and cakes while they wait to get a flat. Thats example one. After 2 days i got a dive place ( Wont say where ) a one roomed place that was at the back of a huge house. The house could of been owned by a millionaire ( Which it turned out it was ) I was not allowed in the house, and had to use the back entrance. Eventualy, one guy, a nigerian who had locked himself out, came and knocked on my door, thinking i was a caretaker, i got chatting to him, and talked to him from then on. he was a great guy, sense of humour, very helpfull and very kind. he could not belive the kip i was living in, and even offered me a room in his place. When i was invited into his flat for a party him and his wife was having, i was blown away. KNowing him and his wife was " On the dole " as he had told me himself, i could not belive the luxury in his apartment. I asked him then and there how he could afford it, and he said ( his own words ) " I went catholic " i nearly fainted as he told me he was given privlages because he convinced his family ( 23 members ) to go catholic, on top of having the job of welocoming people who move into this perticular house. Now even when he told me this i didnt belive him, and for a month or so after moving in, i still thought he was spoofing. a few weeks later, while paying an esb bill, i had lost my bill, but had taken my meter readings, and when i gave the address, the girl said, " Oh theres some error there, that addreses bill is showing as bieng paid by XXXXXXX at said irish catholic church foundation" I really dont care weither anyone belives me or not, but that is the truth. I found out much more from the nigerian friend of mine afterwards, which shocked me. He wasnt hiding these facts, he just belived this was standard for anyone in his position. If anyone wants to call me a liar, or claim its bs.. meet me in town and i will show you the house, and you can talk to this guy, who although i moved out, is still a great friend of mine. I am not a racist, in no way am i, but what really annoyed me about this thread, is the " Rubbish......racist blah blah blah " posts. It seems to me that people are so very quick to disprove any theory that involves asylum seekers getting extra benefits, but they wont try and debate the possibility. Its very easy to cry racist without trying to discuss the issue, apart from " Urban myth...rubbish...bs" why are we so quick to defend asylum seekers? What gives them this special status of untouchable? I browse the paranormal thread a bit, and i think i would see less objections/immediate dismissal to people who claim to have been abducted, than to people who claim asylum seekers are getting extra benefits. People freak out at the slightest sign of curiousity about asylum seekers benefits. Racist Racist bieng the most popular cry. Dont get me wrong, i know that racists are out there, but why jump to the conclusion that every post is anti asylum seekers/racist comment? Maybe the OP wanted to see what people thought of what he heard? He never condemmed or made racist comments in his OP...

Delboy05 · 06-01-2006 10:56AM

Hobbes wrote:

I read it. They can claim in Germany for example being the first country they enter into, however they may be sent here as we have to take on a portion from the EU as a whole depending on certain circumstances. I have also read the dublin II convention which supercedes the first one. It actually clearly states that Ireland under the Dublin convention actually takes on a lot less then its EU counterpart. So not sure how we are getting a huge influx like everyone claims.

Oh and we are covered under the Amsterdam treaty which does mean we have to take on Asylum seekers from other countries (to help with the burden).

As for delboys05 comments. Yes I misread the initial post so didn't notice it was Annual. I do now.

However even so his figures of >.5 billion is bull****. I read both stories he posted. The totals do in fact factor in what he claimed it wasn't.

I am also still waiting for that so called CSO report that claims 25% of the population will be non-Irish by 2025. Any luck with that yet?

"However even so his figures of >.5 billion is bull****. I read both stories he posted. The totals do in fact factor in what he claimed it wasn't. "
......I stated the figure of at least 0.5billion a year was my own conservative estimate...made that clear from the start. I used for example, the 375m in direct costs last year and added in the other costs that I feel the asylum system costs....and despite what you say the figures the minister quoted do not include costs such as prisons, courts, gardai etc.....I re-read the reports and it in no way mentions those costs, e.g. from the 04 figures...
"The Department of Justice figures show that between the beginning of 1999 and the end of August 2004, almost €6.5 million - excluding Garda payments - has been spent deporting 2,059 individuals."

So again Hobbes you are wrong...don't know why i bother discussing this with you. You calimed my figures were made up all along, then I go post links to back them up...then you go and try pick holes in something else!!!!

quote Hobbes "however they may be sent here as we have to take on a portion from the EU as a whole depending on certain circumstances. " and
"Oh and we are covered under the Amsterdam treaty which does mean we have to take on Asylum seekers from other countries (to help with the burden)."
Again, you miss the whole point because you don't want to believe anything other than the opinion you have formed already.....for the umpteenth time, we d'ont take in asylum seekers from other countries in the EU.....we already have them applying directly here in large numbers proportionaly, after they have passed through other eu countries illegaly. Do you not know this or are you refusing to acknowledge this!!!!!

Why do asylum seekers pass through, say Germany or France, to apply directly here? Why in 2003, did 20% of all nigerians who claimed asylum in the wstern world, do so in Ireland.....You must have an opinion on why this has occurred....I'd love to hear it!!!!!

dbnavan · 06-01-2006 11:11AM

Subliminal wrote:

Its very easy to cry racist without trying to discuss the issue, apart from " Urban myth...rubbish...bs" why are we so quick to defend asylum seekers? What gives them this special status of untouchable?

Not sure if u mean the urban myth comment is bs, or the urban myth is bs, but i assure you it is urban myth that the goverment dont give these people luxuary items, now as far as what the church give them I wont comment on because fact is I dont know, so I wont pretend to know.

Why are we quick to defend them? Apart from 3/4 most on this thread seem to be against them

BuffyBot · 06-01-2006 11:21AM

It actually clearly states that Ireland under the Dublin convention actually takes on a lot less then its EU counterpart.

In numbers, or in terms of x amout per 1000 of the population?

MorningStar · 06-01-2006 11:38AM

Subliminal wrote:

and he said Nigerian help centre only. Ok, i can kind of understand that there is a help centre for nigerians, but it still made me mad that i am in a bad way for a place,

If you went to a battered womans' shelter they would also refuse to help you.
A non goverenment agency (catholic foundation) can spend there money any way they like. I choose not to give such organisations my money for that very reason. I would be very frustrated with the situation if I was you but it is a very differnt situation to one where the government give people money for cars or luxuries.

PM me the counciler who runs services for one ethnic group. I would love to investigate that one. The actual church name would be good too but I am not too bothered about religious orders unless they get TAX money but the tax exemption they get does effect me.

Very interesting rumour RE: immigrants

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