Very interesting rumour RE: immigrants

Devon · 03-01-2006 03:25AM #1

I'd love if someone out there could shed light on this. I just learned about it this evening and can't say whether it's true or not.

Apparently, foreign nationals are given cars if claim they are being harrassed on public transport.

The social welfare is said to be sending out those who claim continued racial abuse on public transport, to select a car (within a budget of course) from a dealer whereupon they will tax and insure it for 3 months, and the new owner must then take over these overheads after this time.

The person who told me seemed to know a great deal about it, and it's supposed to be common knowledge among the immigrant community.

Is there anyone out there who works in the social, or who knows more about this, that would be in a position to confirm or deny the above?

MrJoeSoap · 03-01-2006 03:30AM

Sounds like complete bs, but I can't deny or confirm it for sure.

03-01-2006 03:40AM

to be honest!it does seem like bs!like if the government dont do it for the travellers?why do it for immigrants?

Rb · 03-01-2006 03:47AM

Because immigrants aren't there for our amusement?

I can't imagine this being true, well at least the part about the overhead costs of insuring the car&tax being passed onto the next buyer, I'd hope that isn't true.

Devon · 03-01-2006 03:51AM

rb_ie wrote:

Because immigrants aren't there for our amusement?

I can't imagine this being true, well at least the part about the overhead costs of insuring the car&tax being passed onto the next buyer, I'd hope that isn't true.

No you read me wrong there. They have to continue the payments for tax and insurance themselves. Sorry if I worded it badly.

flogen · 03-01-2006 03:51AM

jerryadams wrote:

I'd love if someone out there could shed light on this. I just learned about it this evening and can't say whether it's true or not.

Apparently, foreign nationals are given cars if claim they are being harrassed on public transport.

The social welfare is said to be sending out those who claim continued racial abuse on public transport, to select a car (within a budget of course) from a dealer whereupon they will tax and insure it for 3 months, and the new owner must then take over these overheads after this time.

The person who told me seemed to know a great deal about it, and it's supposed to be common knowledge among the immigrant community.

Is there anyone out there who works in the social, or who knows more about this, that would be in a position to confirm or deny the above?

I can say to you outright that this does not happen.
I put the question to a number of people while researching a story for my college newspaper last year and it was flatly denied. They did say it was a common rumour though, so it's little more than an urban myth.
It probably came about when someone saw a black/asian person driving a car and made a very big leap in their own minds when in reality they could have been Irish citizens who paid for the car out of their own pocket or even people driving illegally.

Reaver772 · 03-01-2006 03:56AM

Only a complete idiot or a racist would believe that c**p

http://www.snopes.com/business/taxes/immigrants.asp

Devon · 03-01-2006 04:00AM

Reaver772 wrote:

Only a complete idiot or a racist would believe that c**p

Only a troll would write that.

sweety4uall · 03-01-2006 04:23AM

jerryadams wrote:

I'd love if someone out there could shed light on this. I just learned about it this evening and can't say whether it's true or not.

Apparently, foreign nationals are given cars if claim they are being harrassed on public transport.

The social welfare is said to be sending out those who claim continued racial abuse on public transport, to select a car (within a budget of course) from a dealer whereupon they will tax and insure it for 3 months, and the new owner must then take over these overheads after this time.

The person who told me seemed to know a great deal about it, and it's supposed to be common knowledge among the immigrant community.

Is there anyone out there who works in the social, or who knows more about this, that would be in a position to confirm or deny the above?

yes it is true.i had romanian tennants and they were given money by the welfare for a car.it cost 3000euro,and they had no problems getting the money either.made me dam angry.guess they know what buttons to push.

C_Breeze · 03-01-2006 04:24AM

absolute crap .
this is the kind of sh1t that gives hard working immigrants a bad name.

free houses , free cars etc. utter nonsense. crap and pure racism.

I worked for the housing deprtment of the council so i can guarantee that wether people are irish or blledin swahili they are all put on a list and dealt with fairly, equally and systematically .

Damn Nazis

C_Breeze · 03-01-2006 04:26AM

sweety4uall wrote:

yes it is true.i had romanian tennants and they were given money by the welfare for a car.it cost 3000euro,and they had no problems getting the money either.made me dam angry.guess they know what buttons to push.

I guarantee you this is bull****

Reaver772 · 03-01-2006 04:29AM

If you honestly believe that the government would give anyone a free car then your A
If you believe that the government would give free cars to immigrants then your B

A Idiot - A foolish or stupid person.
B Racist - Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Endurance Man · 03-01-2006 04:40AM

This is not true, and this thread should be closed as its heading in a bad direction :v:

Devon · 03-01-2006 06:14AM

Reaver772 wrote:

...then your A... ...then your B...

Should have stayed at school huh?

Hobbes · 03-01-2006 06:58AM

This is just a variation of the Free prams for asylum seekers. Clearly even urban legends are effected by the Celtic Tiger.

The social welfare is said to be sending out those who claim continued racial abuse on public transport, to select a car (within a budget of course) from a dealer whereupon they will tax and insure it for 3 months, and the new owner must then take over these overheads after this time.

[edit]
And do they magically know the Irish rules of the road? 3 grand will get you dick in regards to a car/tax/insurance. Especially if you don't know how to drive yet.

This would also imply that the immigrants were also making enough money to cover the costs.

Dyr · 03-01-2006 09:40AM

Deleted User wrote:

to be honest!it does seem like bs!like if the government dont do it for the travellers?why do it for immigrants?

Because, from what i heard, they did? Back when the law on seatbelts came in, A local authority gave travellers "Loans" to trade their hiaces in for compliant vehicles, ie 4X4's etc. PC bias in govt depts makes it hard to tell urban legend from fact.

Hobbes · 03-01-2006 09:45AM

Bambi wrote:

Because, from what i heard, they did? Back when the law on seatbelts came in, A local authority gave travellers "Loans" to trade their hiaces in for compliant vehicles, ie 4X4's etc. PC bias in govt depts makes it hard to tell urban legend from fact.

I can find no news report or any report on this at all. Where did you dig that gem up from? You think it would of been reported as an outrage a lot sooner?

Also there are still hiaces on the road? Come to think of it if they were planning to remove dangerous veichles off the road like this you would think they would do it for everyone? Or do only travellers drive hiaces?

seamus · 03-01-2006 10:02AM

Sounds like the biggest load of anti-immigrant bull I've heard. Even people who claim "I know an immigrant who told me this is what happened" is being taken for a ride, or taking the piss.

Do you seriously think that our government would give handouts like this? When is the last time you claimed thousands off the Government for nothing?

At a stretch, I would say this may have originated if:
a. Bus driver abuses/refuses immigrant
b. Immigrant takes Dublin Bus to court.
c. Dublin Bus agrees settlement whereby they pay for a car and a certain amount of tax/insurance

As I say, at a very big stretch.

joe_chicken · 03-01-2006 10:30AM

Hobbes wrote:

This is just a variation of the Free prams for asylum seekers. Clearly even urban legends are effected by the Celtic Tiger.

...next they'll be given free ipods and playstations to move with the times so they dont feel left out.

rubadub · 03-01-2006 10:34AM

Reaver772 wrote:

If you honestly believe that the government would give anyone a free car then your A
If you believe that the government would give free cars to immigrants then your B

A Idiot - A foolish or stupid person.
B Racist - Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

who says the immigrants are a different race than the OP? or are you just being prejudiced yourself...

Hobbes · 03-01-2006 10:40AM

rubadub wrote:

who says the immigrants are a different race than the OP? or are you just being prejudiced yourself...

You can be an immigrant and racist too. ^^

TBH the Snopes link is the best breakdown of these kind of rumours I have seen to date.

Cr8or · 03-01-2006 11:04AM

My uncle is a small car dealer on the north side of dublin, i asked him about this in the past. He said most of his lower end car sales between 1k - 3k are from "foreign nationals" paying with social welfare cheques / money.

Im not sure if this is the case regarding: "cars if claim they are being harrassed on public transport." but there seems to be a loop hole some where is the system.

rubadub · 03-01-2006 11:19AM

Hobbes wrote:

You can be an immigrant and racist too. ^^.

of course you can. I just find it strange people claiming people who say something against immigrants are racist. I would have thought that most immigrants are caucasian, anybody have figures?

Hobbes · 03-01-2006 11:49AM

colour of ones skin does not define racism.

rubadub · 03-01-2006 12:03PM

Hobbes wrote:

colour of ones skin does not define racism.

I would describe racism as being prejudiced to people of different races, races being mongoloid, caucasoid, negroid, australoid. They were the races in my geography book and in encyclopedias growing up. Now on boards it seems people have all these new races like southsider, traveller, northsider, culchie, brit, nigerian, polish. A lot of people use it in place of the word prejudiced.

how would you describe racism?

Dyr · 03-01-2006 03:12PM

Hobbes wrote:

I can find no news report or any report on this at all. Where did you dig that gem up from? You think it would of been reported as an outrage a lot sooner?

Also there are still hiaces on the road? Come to think of it if they were planning to remove dangerous veichles off the road like this you would think they would do it for everyone? Or do only travellers drive hiaces?

Oh right, i didnt realise the newspapers took a close interest in the workings of the welfare system. :rolleyes:. My sister lives down the sticks and worked for a solicitor that dealt with a lot of asylum cases,that was just one of the nuggets she heard from dealings with the local authorities. Is it true? I dont know. Might explain why so many travellers down her way are zipping around in pajeros these days.

Would I be suprised if it was? No. Are local authorities a lot more receptive to the needs of minority groups. Sometimes. If this class of thing is actually happening will we ever hear about it in the national media? Will we ***.

:v: < de gypises are gettin dem gold teeth on de medical card! pass it on!!

MorningStar · 03-01-2006 03:59PM

First off it has to be said that the rumours of free cars have been going for a while. There are a few differnt reasons given so harrasment on public transport can be added to the list.

Cr8or wrote:

My uncle is a small car dealer on the north side of dublin, i asked him about this in the past. He said most of his lower end car sales between 1k - 3k are from "foreign nationals" paying with social welfare cheques / money.

I know from experience that signing over a social welfare check is not straight forward so I doubt this. How people know where the cash comes from is just speculation then. Little detail on the which imigrants people refer to becasue who is getting this stuff?

Asylum seekers or imigrants?

It also has to be said that asking a question about a rumour is not a racist remark just a question.

Certain imigrant groups are here under different conditions. WHile it does not apply to all some general facts gives an idea of the hard life of many people coming into this country is.

Nigerian people tend to be asylum seekers and as such are not able to work while waiting to be processed. It is important to understand the tribial roots of their community and collonial history. Many asking for asylum are from one of the richer tribes according to some. As there are no direct flights to Ireland from Nigeria it has to be questioned why do they ask for asylum here and not the first country that will protect them? Our international obligations which we signed up for so we could join the EU mean we must take care of these people. So anybody complaining about the country taking care of foreniger and not the locals the difference is one is not being watched by the rest of the world with hefty fines. While seeking asylum people can not work and get less than social welfare but do get accomadation. They are the largest individual asylum seekers in Ireland.

Chineese people tend to be here on educational visas. To get a visa being signed up for an english language course in a private institute. In fact most just sign up so they can work and never attend the classes. They live here in massivily cramped properties to keep the rent down. THere are more Chineese Nationals in Ireland than the US

Polish people are EU citizens and entitled to come over here. Many of them are from rural backgrounds and here to do manual work. There was a best selling book in Poland about a doctor who went to work picking mushrooms in Ireland as the money was better. She detailed many of the hardships in Ireland such as picking on Christmas day. The quickestgrowing imigrant population is Polish. Many Polish people have 3rd level education

None of these imigrants are entitled to social welfare once they enter this country. Asylum seekers don't actually get social welfare payments it is a differnt fund. Due to the fact cars in Ireland have to pass certain checks to be legal on the road means there are many working cars that are been bought by imigrants. The lack of knowledge and/or disregard does mean many cars been driven are dangerous and/or not cover by insurance. I was in the US on J1 and the same disregard was there so I don't blame anybody if you don't feel a connection why wpould you care.

I am sure I am going to be called racist for stating what I have but I don't see it. It makes sense to group people together you just don't have to judge them on it but understanding their circumstances might help understanding the differences

RoundyMooney · 03-01-2006 04:06PM

Bambi wrote:

Because, from what i heard, they did? Back when the law on seatbelts came in, A local authority gave travellers "Loans" to trade their hiaces in for compliant vehicles, ie 4X4's etc. PC bias in govt depts makes it hard to tell urban legend from fact.

Rubbish. Did Toyota not fit seatbelts to their products prior to sale?

Travellers were never subsidised in any form for vehicular costs, whatever else they may receive.

Nuttzz · 03-01-2006 04:24PM

A Nigerian got was getting on a bus, but couldnt get her buggy on the bus, she took the kid out and left it at the bus stop, a lady on the bus asked her about her buggy and the Nigerian told her that she could just go to the welfare office and get another.

Thats another common BS story that was going around too, these bleedin immigrants taking our jobs, our houses, our women, our welfare, our.....claptrap tbh

RoundyMooney · 03-01-2006 04:34PM

MorningStar wrote:

Nigerian people tend to be asylum seekers and as such are not able to work while waiting to be processed. It is important to understand the tribial roots of their community and collonial history. Many asking for asylum are from one of the richer tribes according to some. As there are no direct flights to Ireland from Nigeria it has to be questioned why do they ask for asylum here and not the first country that will protect them? Our international obligations which we signed up for so we could join the EU mean we must take care of these people. So anybody complaining about the country taking care of foreniger and not the locals the difference is one is not being watched by the rest of the world with hefty fines. While seeking asylum people can not work and get less than social welfare but do get accomadation. They are the largest individual asylum seekers in Ireland.

Nigeria is a pure cesspit, plain and simple. It is corrupt from the highest level of government down.The vast majority of refugees from there are economic in nature. Those people who are at the bottom of the ladder are the very same people who are victimised by the system. They are also the poorest of the poor and cannot hope to escape, by financial means. Poverty however does not tell the whole story. Some who escape to relatively wealthy economies resume their corrupt and fraudulant activities almost immediately. This is not a slur, it is fact. Nigeria is statistically the worlds second most corrupt country, outside of Bangladesh. Those citizens of Lagos et al who come here and enjoy a productive and mutually fulfilling role as members of the community should be welcomed with open arms. Those who abuse the system (such as it is!) should be subject to zero tolerant eviction protocols.

Advance fee fraud and other forms of e-scamming emanating from Irish IP blocks have increased exponentially in the last number of years. Another sad fact.

<edit> A young man who wanted to become an engineer, and yet scraped through his Leaving Cert, had a little problem with a deportation issue of which some of you may be aware, namely; a ministerial decision was overturned by the bleeding heart brigade, headed by some political personages of a socialist nature</edit>, resulting in his return from Nigeria to Ireland. What was not reported in the media was that said individual allegedly came to the attention of the Gardai for possession of a fake passport, driving without car insurance, and most tellingly, credit card fraud. As far as I'm aware he is still in the state.

MorningStar wrote:

I am sure I am going to be called racist for stating what I have but I don't see it. It makes sense to group people together you just don't have to judge them on it but understanding their circumstances might help understanding the differences

I agree totally, and see nothing racist in your comments. If my comments appear to tar all Nigerians with the same brush, and indeed to victimise any one individual, I can assure the reader that they are a statement of opinion alone. There are scumbags of all shapes, sizes and colours, and I would be very cautious of positive racism, which is still racism...

< I have edited this to remove two names, which on a second reading it may be inadvisable to mention. Those familiar with the story will know who the story refers to.>

flogen · 03-01-2006 04:34PM

Cr8or wrote:

My uncle is a small car dealer on the north side of dublin, i asked him about this in the past. He said most of his lower end car sales between 1k - 3k are from "foreign nationals" paying with social welfare cheques / money.

Im not sure if this is the case regarding: "cars if claim they are being harrassed on public transport." but there seems to be a loop hole some where is the system.

How do you pay man A with a cheque written for man B? I mean if I got a cheque from my job with my pay on it, wouldn't I need to cash it first and then use that cash to buy things?
And foreign nationals are well able to work for themselves, and thus earn money to buy their own cars, so them owning one wouldn't mean it was a freebie.

Very interesting rumour RE: immigrants

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