George Best - opinions. (not soccer thread)

Kersh · 25-11-2005 04:06PM #1

Im not a football fan.
However, this thread could be about anyone. Its relevant cos he is in the news.
With alcoholism floating around my/extended family, and having experienced both the recovery side and the not so good side, i just want to know what boardsers think..
Do people think mr. Best squandered his 2nd chance at life after his transplant? Or did he make the best of it considering his situation.
I know he was a footballing genius/legend/megastar, but please dont discuss this here.
I myself dont actually agree that he was given a new organ, and if it were one of my relatives I would be just as unhappy. Alcoholics do it to themselves, so its not a valid excuse. He wrecked his first liver, so why should he get another.
On the other hand , a close relative of mine beat 'the demon drink' and enjoys a happy life now, which is why I dont buy the alcoholism excuse.

Mods might want to keep an eye on this one as I dont really want soccer mentioned in it as the topic is not about it.

Agent Smith · 25-11-2005 04:07PM

we wasted a valuble Liver... IMO

rugbug86 · 25-11-2005 04:11PM

agent smith wrote:

we wasted a valuble Liver... IMO

wrong attitude IMO

it could have happened anyone. the anti rejection drugs he had to take so his body would accept the liver makes him more susceptible (sp?) to infections, which is what happened. fiar enough, he didnt help himself by drinking again but is he not paying the ultimate price now??

Guy:Incognito · 25-11-2005 04:11PM

People are very quick to say he drank the second liver away. Doctors have suggested otherwise and that it was an infection that had something to do with the anti rejection drugs. Whatever the truth, it's a sad ending. As I sadi in another thread, being a famous alcoholic has added hardships to being an average joe. Nobody would have turned George Best away if he came in to a pub for a drink because everyone wants to say they served him/ bought him a drink/drank with him.

Paul McGrath seems to be in a similar, although nowhere near as severe, a situation. He can go to a pub and get served no matter what state he's in.

Lots of alcoholics are given liver transplants. It's basically down to whether they can convince the doctors that they are serious about staying off drink, and I would say they all have full intentions of doing so. But the problem is thatlike any other disease, it's not deliberate and they cant help themselves.

agent smith wrote:

we wasted a valuble Liver... IMO

If a memeber of any of ours families was in the same stuation we would want them to have a liver.

BoozyBabe · 25-11-2005 04:14PM

I believe everyone's entitled to a 2nd chance at anything & everything, including life.
It's when you just throw away your 2nd chance without any consideration for the person who didn't get a 2nd chance (because you did) is when I have zero sympathy!

George Best should've made the most of his 2nd chance & at least have been greatful for it

I thought this was a Forum, free speach, everyone entitled to opinions, it's not an PI so the OP can't get offended, yet we were denied the chance to express this earlier because it didn't agree with the op's or the mods opinions!

Kersh · 25-11-2005 04:15PM

yes, I know its like that Ste, many people do waste their lives through many different things, but he did drink after the op, which I think is bringing about the lack of sympathy that im noticing around the place, both on here and in work.

This isnt an rip/obituary or soccer thread, which is why its here. I think?

Guy:Incognito · 25-11-2005 04:17PM

BoozyBabe wrote:

Inot an PI so the OP can't get offended, yet we were denied the chance to express this earlier because it didn't agree with the op's or the mods opinions!

NO you werent. the other thread was a condolence thread and it was stated that other comments were not welcome but people were welcome to start thei rown thread (exactly like this one) but peopl econtinuosly fille dth ethread with idiotic comments, which were rightly delete. Calling people names and saying they deserve what they get is hardly contributing to a worthwhile discussion anyway.

Kersh wrote:

yes, I know its like that Ste, many people do waste their lives through many different things, but he did drink after the op, which I think is bringing about the lack of sympathy that im noticing around the place, both on here and in work.

While he did drink after the op, its safe to say it wasnt to anywhere near the level he was before, but rather, periods of weakness. THis latest, and untimately fatal , period wa the result ( so it would seem) of an infection. HE went into hospital weeks ago with the infection and got steadily worse. He obviously wasnt drinking while in hospital so there must be at least some truth to the infection.

BoozyBabe · 25-11-2005 04:22PM

Stekelly wrote:

NO you werent. the other thread was a condolence thread and it was stated that other comments were not welcome but people were welcome to start thei rown thread (exactly like this one) but peopl econtinuosly fille dth ethread with idiotic comments, which were rightly delete. Calling people names and saying they deserve what they get is hardly contributing to a worthwhile discussion anyway.

I never called anyone names in the other thread, never even mentioned alcoholic, said I had sympathy for the family, said someone else missed out on a chance because he got one, he threw it away so it didn't bother me that he had passed away.

The original thread said 'George Best RIP', that's all it said when I posted. It hadn't said condolences only (until after I posted)

My post got deleted simply because I didn't say 'Oh, George how I'll miss you now you've gone, I worshipped the ground you walked on'. That's stupid, but if that's all that thread was for then fair enough

Guy:Incognito · 25-11-2005 04:24PM

BoozyBabe wrote:

I never called anyone names in the other thread, never even mentioned alcoholic, said I had sympathy for the family, said someone else missed out on a chance because he got one, he threw it away so it didn't bother me that he had passed away.

The original thread said 'George Best RIP', that's all it said when I posted. It hadn't said condolences only (until after I posted)

Well if that was the case then common sense should have prevailed. The guy was dead less than an hour and you came into a thread where everyone was showing sympathy. Surely it would have been more constructive to keep your uncaring opinion to yourself (oor start a thread on your opinions of the man)

25-11-2005 04:24PM

rugbug86 wrote:

wrong attitude IMO

it could have happened anyone. the anti rejection drugs he had to take so his body would accept the liver makes him more susceptible (sp?) to infections, which is what happened. fiar enough, he didnt help himself by drinking again but is he not paying the ultimate price now??

If you believe that good luck to you.

The only reason he got a new liver was because he was George Best.

In case you are not familiar with the transplant process aging alcoholics are generally overlooked for younger patients who are in dire need.
If he was a nobody, he would not have got that liver.
You can bet your ass with the limited supply of organs that someone suffered so he could enjoy his fúcking white wine spritzers on a new liver.

Good riddance.

Big Nelly · 25-11-2005 04:27PM

Well to be honest some of the stuff posted on the other thread was disgusting and people on here that posted it should be ashamed of yourself!! alot of people said that this country was losing it manners and from what I have seen this is true!!!

The people in the UK are showing more respect to an Irish man than the Irish people!! its a sad day!!

BoozyBabe · 25-11-2005 04:29PM

Stekelly wrote:

Well if that was the case then common sense should have prevailed. The guy was dead less than an hour and you came into a thread where everyone was showing sympathy. Surely it would have been more constructive to keep your uncaring opinion to yourself (oor start a thread on your opinions of the man)

Well, this thread seems to be more of a 'he wasted his chance' thread, so if you don't like it, common sense should prevail & you should stop posting! (Or at least stop replying to every single post trying to tell that person their view is wrong)

Everyone's entitled to their opinion.

Like I said, when I posted I think there were 2 posts on the thread, both saying RIP, that was all, & I just gave my opinion. Practically every thread on this board has views from both sides of the argument (& are welcomed) I didn't think that one would be any different

Guy:Incognito · 25-11-2005 04:30PM

ronoc wrote:

If you believe that good luck to you.

The only reason he got a new liver was because he was George Best.

Incase you are not framiliar with the transplant process aging alcholics are generally overlooked for younger patients who are in dire need.
If he was a nobody, he would not have got that liver.
You can bet your ass with the limited supply of organs that someone suffered so he could enjoy his fúcking white wine spritzers on a new liver.

.

I'm not even going to repeat your last two words, but I hope when you go, someone has something equally nice ot say about you.

It's just as well we have someone like you who has come directly from the iinside of the situation and knows all the insand outs of selection processes and this case in particular. Especially when all we have of the other side of the arguement to go on is the words of his family and the doctors who have looked after him for years.

Oh and by the way, without al his charity work and fundraiseing over the years, a lot more than the one person who may have gotten the livewr he got have been saved. ( im not trying to say its a fair trade.)

25-11-2005 04:36PM

Stekelly wrote:

I'm not even going to repeat your last two words, but I hope when you go, someone has something equally nice ot say about you.

It's just as well we have someone like you who has come directly from the iinside of the situation and knows all the insand outs of selection processes and this case in particular. Especially when all we have of the other side of the arguement to go on is the words of his family and the doctors who have looked after him for years.

Oh and by the way, without al his charity work and fundraiseing over the years, a lot more than the one person who may have gotten the livewr he got have been saved. ( im not trying to say its a fair trade.)

I think its common knowlege.. A panel of doctors decides on a case by case basis. And in this case George got it. Alcoholics are rarely considered for transplants, especially alcoholics of his age.

What he did makes me sick and is a tragic waste.

Kersh · 25-11-2005 04:39PM

Yes, im pretyty sure I believe the docs about the infection that has ultimately claimed his life, but did he seize the new life he got with both hands??

Drapper · 25-11-2005 04:41PM

Big Nelly wrote:

Well to be honest some of the stuff posted on the other thread was disgusting and people on here that posted it should be ashamed of yourself!! alot of people said that this country was losing it manners and from what I have seen this is true!!!

The people in the UK are showing more respect to an Irish man than the Irish people!! its a sad day!!

well put Nelly, you all should have listenend to DUnphys breakfast show this morning about all the good that was George Best, he died of an illness that could fall any of us! show some respect!

I'm sick of the Irish attitude! this country makes me sick.................:mad:

Sarky · 25-11-2005 04:43PM

/me takes it upon himself to think of the children.

The General · 25-11-2005 04:43PM

agent smith wrote:

we wasted a valuble Liver... IMO

:rolleyes: i hope you become an alcho then see how easy it is to give up

BoozyBabe · 25-11-2005 04:45PM

The General wrote:

:rolleyes: i hope you become an alcho then see how easy it is to give up

You should never wish harm on anyone! :mad:

He has an opinion, simple as that, don't make it personal just because you don't agree.

biko · 25-11-2005 05:05PM

It's a terrible thing to see a great man like Best waste his life like that. Hopefully this will show the young guns of sport what can happen in later life if you give in to playboy life too much.
RIP George

He's to be buried in Belfast I heard. I for one will pay my respects next time I'm there.

Mossy Monk · 25-11-2005 05:26PM

i cannot believe the attitudes of some people on this thread. the man was an alcoholic. with a new liver its not like he could just say "that's it, no more drink for me." if it was as easy as that then we would have no addictions

qz · 25-11-2005 05:29PM

I don't feel a huge amount of sympathy for the man. He drank himself to death.

25-11-2005 05:31PM

Mossy Monk wrote:

i cannot believe the attitudes of some people on this thread. the man was an alcoholic. with a new liver its not like he could just say "that's it, no more drink for me." if it was as easy as that then we would have no addictions

He shouldn't of had it in the first place.

And if he was trying to stop he would have. What was he doing in those pubs. Surely if you were an alcoholic you would stay well away from sources of temptation.

Lets list his achievments.

One of the best footballers of all time
Drunk driver
Alcoholic
Wifebeater
Total disregard for himself and others.
Wasted a generous doners liver

No sympathy whatsoever

Mossy Monk · 25-11-2005 05:32PM

why not attack the people who decided to give it to him then

tbh · 25-11-2005 05:35PM

ronoc wrote:

He shouldn't of had it in the first place.

I'm sure you would have been 'man' enough to turn it down if you had been in his position. I think its a terribly sad thing for all concerned, and I have nothing but sympathy for him and his family - whatever the circumstances that brought him to this postion, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. IMO, if someone feels the need to make a comment like the one above, it says a lot more about them than it does about George Best. A bit of human compassion isn't too much to ask for is it? Whatever you think about him, he owes no-one but God (in whatever form) an explanation. No-ones perfect.

RIP George.

Caimin

25-11-2005 05:39PM

caimin wrote:

I'm sure you would have been 'man' enough to turn it down if you had been in his position. I think its a terribly sad thing for all concerned, and I have nothing but sympathy for him and his family - whatever the circumstances that brought him to this postion, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. IMO, if someone feels the need to make a comment like the one above, it says a lot more about them than it does about George Best. A bit of human compassion isn't too much to ask for is it? Whatever you think about him, he owes no-one but God (in whatever form) an explanation. No-ones perfect.

RIP George.

Caimin

See my altered post

Pigman II · 25-11-2005 05:39PM

Where I take issue with the man is that he was twice convicted of drink-driving (1984 & 2004). I'm amazed people are so eager to chastise him for the events surrounding that liver transplant that this fact rarely seems to get mentioned anymore. Destroying your own life with alcohold is your business but you shouldn't be trying to destroy the lives of others by driving drunk. I think drink-drivers are the lowest of the low and yes I also include George Best in that statement.

Hub · 25-11-2005 05:48PM

It really ****ing sad that he literally drank himself to death

tbh · 25-11-2005 05:51PM

ronoc wrote:

And if he was trying to stop he would have.

Or you could say, if he could have stopped, he would have. Do you honestly believe he made a concious decision to become an alcoholic?

ronoc wrote:

What was he doing in those pubs. Surely if you were an alcoholic you would stay well away from sources of temptation.

I think this shows what little understanding you have on Alcoholism. I sincerly hope you never have to find out the hard way.

ronoc wrote:

No Sympathy whatsoever

Is it snowing on the high moral ground? I respect your opinion, and I can see where you are coming from, but lifes not black and white. There but for the grace of God go any of us. Wow - I've never mentioned God before on boards, and then twice in one thread.

Mossy Monk · 25-11-2005 05:55PM

ronoc wrote:

And if he was trying to stop he would have. What was he doing in those pubs. Surely if you were an alcoholic you would stay well away from sources of temptation

you really have no understanding of alcoholism. what view do you take with heroin addicts?

Paddy20 · 25-11-2005 05:55PM

If ignorance was bliss, then this would be the most blissful thread on Boards.ie

George Best died today. I extend my sympathies to his family, friends and millions of fans.

May he rest in peace.

P.:cool:

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