Legalising Marijuana.

mayhem# · 17-05-2002 01:22PM

Originally posted by fisty

The unfortunate thing is the same people that will sell you cannabis will just as quickly sell you crack cocaine or heroin and thats the inherant problem.

Think about it or visit holland and see the problems their culture has because of their liberal laws.

My two cents.

Having lived in the country for 28 years I could not agree more...

SheroN · 17-05-2002 01:26PM

have no problem with legalisation if it's a blanket legalisation accross europe....not just ireland.....ireland becoming the playpen for the world's scum doesn't sound appealing to me.

Ajnag · 18-05-2002 01:19AM

Holland has a generaly more tolarent stance in reguards to everything, hence the all the dudes on the corners.

what I would propose is that with legalisation we change the agenda for the gardí, control taxing can be handled by costoms fairly strictly to remove the gilligan/scumbag elements, while the gardi could use the extra time and resources freed up to persue dealers and bigtime boss's, tackeling the problems of other drugs from the top down.
in addition to this we involve health boards in relation to those who develop problems eg heroin maintainence.and in relation to education instead of crappy websites like www.coolchoices.ie, hows about getting ex-addicts of all things to speak on the nature of addiction-discouraging use in an honest way.

Obviously any approach would have to be more complex then the above outlined, but done right, use of drugs could down dramaticly without having to criminalise or bully the population as is being currently done.also although holland is a bit scary their stats show less heroin addicts and less young dutch people trying drugs.if their approach was refined we might be more succesful!.

just a few thoughts.

Chad ghostal · 18-05-2002 01:19AM

yeah, it becoming legal in other countries first would be much better..

did anyone else see that prog on the beeb last night about the guy who opened a hash/weed caffee in bournmouth in england..
he got the weed from amsterdam and sold it on the sly in the caffee ..
he opened it in an old warehouse..
cnn and all the other news channels were talkin to him about it..
it seemed to go pretty well and it was only raided once..
(nothing came of it)

i was wondering did anyone hear of anything like that here??

the garda dont seem to be bothered to much about people having it ..

Corega · 18-05-2002 04:40PM

As I'm sure I clearly pointed out one of the main advantages of legalisation is the lowering of taxes, however I would like to ask anyone whos ever been to Amsterdam if the standard of living is high or if the taxes there are lower than they are here. That was a question by the way without the question mark

fisty · 19-05-2002 04:12AM

less taxes is no trade off for more streetcrime.

Originally posted by Ajnag
although holland is a bit scary their stats show less heroin addicts and less young dutch people trying drugs.if their approach was refined we might be more succesful!.

its not the dutch that are the problem its the people who have carved a life on the streets that are the problem - mainly people with little or no education from eastern europe flocking there (Holland) because they make big bucks in drugs.
Yes you are correct - Heroin isn't the big problem over there but CRACK is - I was offered crack by junkies more times than I can remember, most of them were pretty okay but they're the users. Again it's the dealers that will be the problem.
I felt sorry for one junky, I met him outside a bar when he tried to sell me a bicycle for 10 euro which he stole from the central station.
The poor bastard was addicted to crack andhe was 19, 19 ffs! from The czech rep.
And he had been stealing bikes and shoplifting for 2 years to support his habit. I asked him what brought him to holland and he said "he started off as a courier bringing crack cocaine into holland from lybia" at 17.
anywhere that becomes known for its liberal take on drugs will end up being a cesspit for criminals wanting to fence the harder stuff because

1. theres more money in class A's than herb
and
2. because the market (drug users) will be in said place.

Drugs sicken me and while hash may be pretty harmless you will never be able to separate it from the rest of the drug family no matter how many coffeeshops you build.

Corega · 19-05-2002 10:45AM

You have made some very good points there Fisty, however I must point out that Holland and the authorities in Holland have a very laid back approach towards not only the use of marijuana but also the use of other drugs, also take into account that Holland has legal brothels operating. There is no way in hell I would want Ireland to stoop to that level, but Holland has been like this for years and I must point out is getting worse. I would hope that if it were to be legalised the Gardai would not adopt the same stance as thier Dutch counter-parts. I guess the only real certainty is that we would only know the effects it would have on our society if it was legalised, as for my first comments on tax-deductions and so on that was mere speculation but educated speculation.

Mistakill · 22-05-2002 02:31PM

(1) They should legalise it in a limited dosage like a restriction on no more than 7 or 8 grams a week.

(2) Prescription. its ment to help ease the pain for people with arthritis.

darthmise · 22-05-2002 02:59PM

Legalise the whole lot.

You can't seperate hash from the rest because what ever drug is considerd the next least harmless will take the palce of hash as a gateway drug to harder things.
Leagalise all drugs and tax the lot.

At least then people wouldn't be dying as regularly from impurities in the harder drugs. Tax it. Make it safe. Take it out of the hands of criminals who don't give a **** what happens to people as long as they make a profit.

But it would have to be right across europe, i've been to Amsterdam and i won't be going back there in a hurry. It's by far the sleaziest place i've ever been.

The only fear i would have for legalising all drugs in this country is as a nation we have an addictive personality.

Corega · 25-05-2002 02:25PM

I think I can say this from experience, hash does not lead you on to harder drugs, the only reason people go on to harder drugs such as coke and heroine is because they begin to take ecstasy and lsd and all that sh1t. I would'nt even think of campaining to legalise them and nor do I condone their use. As far as I can see marijuana is about as harmless as smoking cigarettes and in some cases has been known to be therapeutic i.e. back pains.

smalltalker · 25-05-2002 03:40PM

Originally posted by Corega
As far as I can see marijuana is about as harmless as smoking cigarettes

So, not particularly harmless at all, then.

If not smoked with tobacco it is probably quite harmless, though, and should be legalised.

The idea of legalising all drugs is a little premature - people use marijuana for quite different reasons than others use heroin. Hash, tobacco and alcohol are used across boundaries of social class but heroin is almost exclusively a problem for deprived areas. I think that merits a different approach.

Corega · 27-05-2002 04:48PM

Yeah fair one. I should'nt have said the word harmless however I think less harmful is a better way to describe it.

phreak · 27-05-2002 08:20PM

i dont know how anyone can begin to compare marijuana to heroin. Marijuana is more like alcohol or tabacco than it is like heroin. Heroin is the worst possible drug in the world, and any country that legalisd it would have to be off their heads.

I agree that Marijuana should be legalised for most of the reasons already mentioned before, but mainly because i believe people should have the choice to do what they want as long as they don't affect others in the process.

swan13 · 28-05-2002 12:06AM

the reason it was made illegal in the first place was because, many years ago, prob about 100 i suppose, the mexicans were hated by americans but the yanks couldn't do anythin about it so they outlawed cannabis as all mexicans used it and it's stuck ever since. there's now "REAL" reason for it. check out cypress hill c.d booklets for info. the black sunday booklet gives loads of good arguements

Bob the Unlucky Octopus · 12-08-2002 06:54PM

There is no such thing as a legal gateway drug- cigarettes and alcohol are both addictive- cigarettes especially so- yet how many smokers do you know that turn to harder drugs for a fix? None- because they prefer to be law-abiding citizens, if cannabis were legalized, pot-smokers wouldn't go anywhere for their fix because they could get it legally. Because it's in the criminal world, and the two sets of providers are worryingly close to each other, it is easy for young people in particular to be tempted by hard-core physically addictive drugs. Legalize it, allow people to get it reasonably cheaply- and you've solved the "gateway" problem.

Occy

l3rian · 12-08-2002 07:21PM

i heard that england are legalising it next year sometime, anyone know when? will they be exporting?

BuffyBot · 12-08-2002 08:22PM

Originally posted by Kali

I honestly can't believe i've just read that. seriously.
I mean are you ****ing mentally retarded or something?
Do you usually let your "friends" drive off in such a state?
Do you usually follow them for "entertainment"?
How ****ing "silly" would it look if he caused a major accident?

My god I've nothing at all against dope, but thats just ****ing ridiculous and irresponsible.
Harmless yes. But not when ****ing tools like you use it.

Apologies for the asterixes.. but you need your head straightened.

Agreed. Thats just plain stupid.

I honestly don't think it's any big deal - in fact I'd nearly predict usage would go down if legalised. Half the users I know are just doing it because its "bold" for want of better words.

TBH it's not all that much and a bag of chips - plenty of better drugs about which don't feck up your lungs.

(edit) How many times has this been discussed already on boards? (/edit)

Corega · 12-08-2002 11:12PM

Won't somebody please think of the children, I was almost beginning to forget this thread, let it die a quick death

strat · 13-08-2002 01:08AM

Monty - the one and only · 13-08-2002 01:31AM

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Legalising Marijuana.

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