Would you sleep with your cousin?

strat · 27-02-2002 09:36AM

:rolleyes: still cant believe this topic isnt locked/deleted

Dr. Loon · 27-02-2002 09:38AM

Just got back after a few days break to find this filth. You're a bunch of big time scumbags

leeroybrown · 27-02-2002 09:49AM

How long till we have a "Marrying your Russian Cousin" topic or something similar.

BTW, I wouldn't touch my relatives with a twelve foot pole.

logic1 · 27-02-2002 11:19AM

Originally posted by smiles

The British royal family and most of the other royal families in Europe are very closely blood related on many sides, i think the British ones were predominatly originally German (trust Britian to import it's royal family!)

<< Fio >>

The reason Royal Families are very closely blood related is that Royal Families of Europe at that time were almost required to marry each other. For example, if a girl was a princess, she had to marry a prince. He did not have to be a prince from her own country, however. For example, a princess of England could marry a prince of Spain, of France, of Germany or of any other place. It did not matter what he was a prince of, as long as he was a prince of something.

The theory about distant cousins causing more genetic defects is also wrong.

Hemophilia is a blood clotting disease which is caused by a defective X chromosome. Women have two chromosomes. Men have only one. For this reason, men are much more likely to have hemophilia than women, because if one X chromosome in a woman is defective and the other is OK, she will not get hemophilia. Victims of hemophilia often die at an early age, so men with this disease rarely live long enough to reproduce.
A woman has two X-chromosomes but only one of them goes to each child. This means that half of the male children of a female hemophilia carrier will have the disease and half of the female children will carry the disease but will not get it.

The only way a woman can suffer from hemophilia is to get the defective gene from both of her parents. By far the most likely way for this to happen would be for her parents to be related to each other. For this reason, almost all societies have incest taboos that brothers and sisters cannot marry each other, because of the possibility of hemophilia and other genetic diseases.

Actual deformity was often caused by eugenics. The act of improving genetic qualities by selective breeding, e.g. pure blood marrying pure blood gives? which often led to cousins marrying cousins but the more closely related you are the higher the risk of deformity.

Alex Shoumatoff, in his book The Mountain of Names: A History of the Human Family, writes in the sixth chapter "The Kinship of Mankind", that according to geneticist Francisco Ayala, "the incidence of defective newborn children is about twice as high when the parents are first cousins as when the parents are unrelated."

Shoumatoff relates how geneticist Bob Williamson suggests that each "normal" person may carry "twenty or so potentially lethal recessive genes, from whose lethality we are protected by also carrying a healthy, dominant version of the same gene." Marriage between close cousins definitely increases the chance that one of these recessive genes will pair up with itself; that is, that two genes, identical but passed down through different family lines from a single common ancestor, may double up and produce the unhealthy trait in a child of close cousins. First cousins, who may hold about 1/8 of their genes in common, may be somewhat concerned about the possibility of a harmful recessive gene in their common ancestry, particularly if they know that one exists; second cousins, who may hold about 1/32 of their genes in common, probably have no more risk of producing unhealthy offspring from a dangerous recessive gene than apparently unrelated people, but their concern should be greater if they are related through multiple close family lines; third cousins, who may hold 1/128 of their genes in common, have a risk that approaches that of people who are apparently unrelated.

.logic.

po0k · 27-02-2002 01:19PM

Well, well, well!

Who's a closet bookworm then, eh???

out own Dr. Seuss

Pepe LeFrits · 27-02-2002 08:22PM

my cousins are as good looking as the best of them, but NO ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !

Monkey · 27-02-2002 08:54PM

No bloody way

Victor · 27-02-2002 09:28PM

Originally posted by logic1
The reason Royal Families are very closely blood related is that Royal Families of Europe at that time were almost required to marry each other.

apparently there is a Vatican dispensation that allows Royalty and Gypsies to marry their cousins without church permission.

Originally posted by logic1
The theory about distant cousins causing more genetic defects is also wrong.

It can happen, but statistics are stacked against it.

Originally posted by logic1
The only way a woman can suffer from hemophilia is to get the defective gene from both of her parents. By far the most likely way for this to happen would be for her parents to be related to each other. For this reason, almost all societies have incest taboos that brothers and sisters cannot marry each other, because of the possibility of hemophilia and other genetic diseases.

I understand that female hemophilia sufferers tend not to survive to birth.

PHB · 27-02-2002 10:04PM

I wouldn't do it if I knew them well, but if it was a cousin ive never seen before, then things all change, since in your mind their not really a cousin to you, there just some people who you've just met.

Casey · 28-02-2002 03:14AM

No way absolutely never!!!

I'm kindda shocked at how much interest this has sparked though....who knew it would be an issue so close to the hearts of boards members!

Anyway......interestin cousinly lurve fact....
Einstein married his cousin as did Charles Darwin who had exceptional children! Small price to pay for exceptional children some might say....I would not agree!

Theres a website dedicated to this very subject though with other interesting cousinly love facts and some wacky logic such as 'why marry a stranger?' for u to bedazzle ur friends n scare ur cousins with!!

http://www.cousincouples.com/info/facts.shtml

Carobobaline · 28-02-2002 12:35PM

NO NO NO!! Scary Maryness (mary being my only cousin and also being quite scary!!)

Lemming · 28-02-2002 12:53PM

Originally posted by Carobobaline
NO NO NO!! Scary Maryness (mary being my only cousin and also being quite scary!!)

Hmmm .. you never mentioned her before Caro

What age is she??

logic1 · 28-02-2002 02:06PM

Originally posted by Victor
apparently there is a Vatican dispensation that allows Royalty and Gypsies to marry their cousins without church permission.

Have you any links to this information?

It can happen, but statistics are stacked against it.

If you read my post Victor you'd see I clearly stated that the theory about distant cousins causing MORE genetic defects than closely related cousins is wrong. I never stated it can't happen. In fact I showed quite categorically that it can happen but is statistically less likely than when close cousins marry. Maybe read a post before posting your next little tidbit of uselss information.

I understand that female hemophilia sufferers tend not to survive to birth.

Have you any links relating to this statement? Women can be born with hemophilia and although it is alot rarer than males with the disease it still happens. I've never heard any cases where a higher number of females with hemophilia dieing "before birth".

.logic.

Monkey · 28-02-2002 07:22PM

Women are not born with hemophilia, as they do not survive pregnancy. Read a leaving cert biology book and it'll tell you that.

Oeneus · 28-02-2002 07:38PM

God I'd laugh if your cousin's are reading this, or if my cousin has submitted a post:).

Kolodny · 28-02-2002 07:46PM

I would have to say no.

Especially considering most of my cousins are under 12.

Ask me again in 10 years.:p

bubbles · 28-02-2002 08:59PM

I was going to post up a Would you sleep with your Aunt/Uncle poll, but I defo know thats taboo... and ewwwwwwwww !!

:cool:

Would be an experience tho!!!

JOOROWNED · 28-02-2002 09:16PM

SOmeone needs to get his ass kicked ............. poor nick and cousin nadia ...... and how long till ben gets dragged into this ...

I AM HERE TO TELL U ALL THE TRUTH ABOUT BUBBLES .............
be carefull what u ask for there is already too much i know ....

bubbles · 28-02-2002 09:23PM

ROFL... This will be good

JOOROWNED · 28-02-2002 09:29PM

Y3S BuBBl3s B3 AFRAID b3 V3RRY AFRAID...... LOL....

logic1 · 28-02-2002 09:54PM

Originally posted by Monkey
Women are not born with hemophilia, as they do not survive pregnancy. Read a leaving cert biology book and it'll tell you that.

Why don't you go and point that out to this site: Women with haemophilia. I'm sure they'll be amused. :rolleyes:

.logic.

Victor · 28-02-2002 10:08PM

Originally posted by logic1
Why don't you go and point that out to this site: Women with haemophilia. I'm sure they'll be amused.

Odd site, but anyway, as they say themselves

http://www.shemophilia.org/women/bleeding.html

Hemophilia
Hemophilia is the most well known bleeding disorder, recognized since biblical times. It mostly affects males, although it is inherited through the mother on the X chromosome. There are approximately 17,000 people with hemophilia in the U.S. Contrary to popular belief, they do not really bleed to death from cuts, but rather suffer problems associated with internal bleeding into the joints, muscles, and organs. The severity of the disease varies according to family lines. Since the 1970s, the treatment for this disease has involved replacing the missing clotting factor (factor VIII), which is a protein isolated from blood plasma and given intravenously. Another form of hemophilia, known as hemophilia B is associated with a missing clotting factor known as factor IX. During the 1980s, the vast majority of individuals with severe hemophilia contracted the HIV virus through blood transfusions, and many have contracted hepatitis, as well. Although it is very rare, hemophilia can occur in women.

They appear to be using Haemophilia almost interchangeably with any bleeding disorder.

Monkey · 28-02-2002 11:46PM

Apparently it is extremly rare in women but does occasionally occur, my mistake though I'm sure it was over-simplified for leaving cert biology

"Hemophilia A (Factor VIII Deficiency) affects 1 in 5000 males. Hemophilia B (Factor IX Deficiency) affects 1 in 25,000 males. Severe hemophilia in women is extremely rare. However, women are carriers of hemophilia. Many women who are carriers have bleeding problems

logic1 · 01-03-2002 10:45AM

Originally posted by Monkey
though I'm sure it was over-simplified for leaving cert biology

Isn't everything

.logic.

pauldeehan · 01-03-2002 09:27PM

Dear God no. No no no

I wouldn't be able to live with myself and could never look at said cousin again

Blitzkrieger · 02-03-2002 02:37PM

Originally posted by Casey
for u to bedazzle ur friends n scare ur cousins with!!

rofl and

Originally posted by Bosco
NO!!...think of your poor Granny's face when she finds out her beloved grand-children are shagging each other. Poor Granny

lmao

Who would you consider your cousin? I have quite a large extended family. I've about 80 1st cousins (who I would never think of shagging) and consequently care **** all about 2nd, 3rd, etc. cousins. I know I have a lot of family (2nd and 3rd cousins) in the immediate area but I can't spend all my time asking people for their lineage. In short - some people would view it as shagging a cousin, but as far as I'm concerned a 2nd cousin is a stranger.

To my knowledge it hasn't happened yet though

The Corinthian · 02-03-2002 04:19PM

One of my cousins came over to Ireland a few years ago to live/work here for a bit. Very distant cousin, her grandmother and mine are first cousins. Also very attractive - she used to model for Versaci in Milan. And was fond of her drink. And of my company.

Dangerous combination. But, ultimately no, I didn't and the one time it might have gone that way I politely excused myself and went home. I had been nominated to watch over her, while in Dublin, so it would have been a big No-No. What can I say, Italian family honour stuff.

Still, I wouldn't vote either way as I would admit some regrets in the matter.

JOOROWNED · 02-03-2002 06:16PM

This all came about from BUBBLES watching that episode of friends with ross and his cousin ...........

stereo_steve · 03-03-2002 01:28PM

cousins? I dunno. But I was just wondering would anyone sleep with an animal? There was a programme one night on the Adrian Kennedy phone show about people being over friendly with their animals!

How about a dolphin? www.dolphinsex.com !

Swifty · 03-03-2002 10:01PM

Those dolphins were raped when I got there!

And yes, I would ride one particular cousin I have and if my granny has a problem I'll set her up with my little sister.

Would you sleep with your cousin?

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