Green Day

Pearl666 · 26-10-2005 12:30PM

Lieselotte wrote:

Whatever. Lots of people are doing their own thing and are just simply not punx. Green day are a heavier kind of take that and thats it. ****ing commercial ****

yes oh yes lets all hate commercialism as my mate OLP said....stupid kids, you give us good teenagers a bad name.

and as for Green Day "heavier kind of takt at that" yeah ya see there trying to do what Rage did when they were a band...yeah Zach De LaRoche should just kill billie joe...greend day....muppets and there is no possible way of them going back to what they were....they'd lose money..therefor no...cause there money hungry arsehòles

mc nuggets · 26-10-2005 01:57PM

Pearl666 wrote:

yes oh yes lets all hate commercialism as my mate OLP said....stupid kids, you give us good teenagers a bad name.

and as for Green Day "heavier kind of takt at that" yeah ya see there trying to do what Rage did when they were a band...yeah Zach De LaRoche should just kill billie joe...greend day....muppets and there is no possible way of them going back to what they were....they'd lose money..therefor no...cause there money hungry arsehòles

Thank you. that was what I was trying to get across. They were good, well respectable when they were about music not trying to be controversial, to make money. They've crossed the line. So far across the line. The line is now a dot.

Johnny Jukebox · 26-10-2005 03:04PM

Pearl666 wrote:

err...sorry about ya but I do think Rage Against The Machine gave there message out...and were actually poltical...unlike Green Day "Oh we were on the Against Bush album, lets make a political statement..in fact lets make a album on it"......fools.

and yeah so what if those people are in a garage jammin' away...there not corperate seel-outs who are now by the looks of it gonna make a video for every pòxy song on there new album cause they know that now there finished for good.

Gave it out to who though ? RATM do not have the anything like the reach of Green Day right now. Listen, I'm not making a call on whose got the best street cred in the "punk" book of reckoning; I'm merely pointing out that Green Day did an unusual and difficult thing by getting a political message onto global mainstream media in todays day and age.

If you're happy in the garage, stay there. The only people that will get hear your viewpoint are the neighbours.

ANarcho-Munk · 26-10-2005 03:26PM

Johnny Jukebox wrote:

Gave it out to who though ? RATM do not have the anything like the reach of Green Day right now. Listen, I'm not making a call on whose got the best street cred in the "punk" book of reckoning; I'm merely pointing out that Green Day did an unusual and difficult thing by getting a political message onto global mainstream media in todays day and age.

And most people who'll be watching Greenday on MTV won't even fooping know that they're going on about politics......

because Wayne and Tracy are not going to be interested in opening up their ears, mulling over how great the lyrics and how politically motivated greenday are or hang onto Billie Joes latest rant to inform themselves about how they're rights are being infringed; they're just gonna sit on their arses,turn into vegetables and watch MTV.

ANarcho-Munk · 26-10-2005 03:28PM

And another sign of Greenday selling out is when every god damn kid out there starts making websites about them.

Anarchist · 26-10-2005 07:29PM

OLP wrote:

Being 15 is not escuse for being stupid, you have not made any contribution to the forum, you merely stating that you think Green Day are "the best punk/rock band in the world." A statement which alot of people, including myself, would disagree very much. If it where up to me Green Day threads would not be allowed in the Punk forum, but it's up to Giblet and i have a feeling he will allow it.

My oppion, Green Day up to Nimrod was good pop-punk, after Nimrod is just a slipery slop towards comercialism i.e selling out, summary, Green Day are utter shìte.

lol and so true, Greenday are as Punk as Westlife are Punk.

qz · 26-10-2005 07:36PM

Anarchist wrote:

lol and so true, Greenday are as Punk as Westlife are Punk.

Very much doubt that.

You ever listened to 1039 Smoothed Out Slappy Hours? Ok, I wouldn't call it punk, but that's neither here nor there, it's just my opinion, as your statement about Green Day being as punk as Westlife is your own opinion... I suppose.

But seriously, GD are obviously more "punk" than Westlife. Don't go posting retarded shít like that. :rolleyes:

Anarchist · 26-10-2005 07:36PM

Ro: maaan! wrote:

Well, people do consider them punk. So you are damned, wheather they're right or not. Anyway, after the first two albums the Clash were hardly "punk" anymore. You not want them talked about here either?

I like Green Day. They're one of my favourite bands. I'd say they drifted away from punk in the more recent albums, but they're still making excellent music, imo. I don't see what the big deal is about having threads about bands that certain people don't think are punk enough. It's always quite clearly marked in the title what's in a thread. There isn't a limit to the number of threads here. There are just as many threads about what you think is punk here as there would be if this thread wasn't here. The off topic thread is the only rule that everyone seems to hold in high regard. I'd consider it to be the least important rule. The way I see it the fourm name is just a guide line. I don't see any problem with posting about things that are likely to appeal to a certain group (ie the kind of people who are likely to read a punk forum) even if it's not exactly what the forum title says.

Green day were never EVER a Punk band IMO, and as to The Clash they did drift away but not to commercialism.

Johnny Jukebox · 26-10-2005 10:18PM

ANarcho-Munk wrote:

And most people who'll be watching Greenday on MTV won't even fooping know that they're going on about politics......

because Wayne and Tracy are not going to be interested in opening up their ears, mulling over how great the lyrics and how politically motivated greenday are or hang onto Billie Joes latest rant to inform themselves about how they're rights are being infringed; they're just gonna sit on their arses,turn into vegetables and watch MTV.

Really ? and you know this how ? And you missed my point AGAIN. I never, unlike you, posited any consequence of this.

To reiterate, at least the media is now in front of the unfortunate Wayne and Tracy which means it may or may not affect the way they think about the world. Which CANNOT happen if the fcking song is not on the TV in the first place.

The worst mistake the Clash made was not appearing on TOTP. Strummer got that completely wrong because they had the opportunity and could'nt see it.

Another example - the Undertones on TOTP playing "My Cousin Kevin", wearing black armbands in support of the H-Block hunger strikers. Whatever your political viewpoint on the subject, it was a brillant piece of media subversion, broadcast primetime on the premier TV station of the country that was the opposing force in the conflict, juxtaposing bubblegum pop with a statement of people starving themselves to death. Cool as fck.

honru · 26-10-2005 10:29PM

Originally Posted by OLP
if a band is genuenly good and doesnt pretend to be something its not and is just straight foward good music, then theres nothing wrong with the commercial success they achieve. however if a band changes to achieve commercial success, that is a big no no in my books.

American Idiot was hardly a massive change in sound for Green Day. It was just a concept album, and no-one guaranteed its success. It was just around at the right place at the right time.

Originally Posted by Anarchist
lol and so true, Greenday are as Punk as Westlife are Punk.

Fantastic contribution there. I look forward to your future posts.

Originally Posted by Anarchist
Green day were never EVER a Punk band IMO, and as to The Clash they did drift away but not to commercialism.

Oh Christ. The Clash changed their sound to fit in with the new-wave scene that punk was branching into, because it was popular at the time. They thus failed to be as successful.

Graham Day · 26-10-2005 10:44PM

Pearl666 wrote:

yes oh yes lets all hate commercialism as my mate OLP said....stupid kids, you give us good teenagers a bad name.

and as for Green Day "heavier kind of takt at that" yeah ya see there trying to do what Rage did when they were a band...yeah Zach De LaRoche should just kill billie joe...greend day....muppets and there is no possible way of them going back to what they were....they'd lose money..therefor no...cause there money hungry arsehòles

I think they earned enough from Dookie to live on the rest of their lives I dont think its a money thing. Your just spinning off a load of easy answers and thinking your hardcore. Whatever makes you feel good about yourself fair enough

Graham Day · 26-10-2005 10:50PM

f®eak s&#169 wrote: »

American Idiot was hardly a massive change in sound for Green Day. It was just a concept album, and no-one guaranteed its success. It was just around at the right place at the right time.

Fantastic contribution there. I look forward to your future posts.

Oh Christ. The Clash changed their sound to fit in with the new-wave scene that punk was branching into, because it was popular at the time. They thus failed to be as successful.

I'll back you up on that. Just seen Are we the waiting/St Jimmy on MTV 2 from the Milton Keynes gig. ****in savage

moonstomp · 27-10-2005 08:48AM

Johnny Jukebox wrote:

The worst mistake the Clash made was not appearing on TOTP. Strummer got that completely wrong because they had the opportunity and could'nt see it.

Another example - the Undertones on TOTP playing "My Cousin Kevin", wearing black armbands in support of the H-Block hunger strikers. Whatever your political viewpoint on the subject, it was a brillant piece of media subversion, broadcast primetime on the premier TV station of the country that was the opposing force in the conflict, juxtaposing bubblegum pop with a statement of people starving themselves to death. Cool as fck.

Johnny Jukebox wrote:

If you're happy in the garage, stay there. The only people that will get hear your viewpoint are the neighbours.

A1 !

This is SO true. Too many people equate success or using the media to get your point accross as "selling out". The people who've done most to get accross anti-establishment views/norms are the people who've used their popularity to access mainstream communication (radio/TV/MTV whatever). (Not the people who've sat in their bedrooms/flats listening to the latest Conflict album.)

Look at bands like The Undertones, The Clash, Rage Agianst THe Machine, The Dead Kennedys, The Rollins Band, Green Day - they've put the message out there, they HAVE influenced people.

Peace.

Moonstomp.

skapunkkeith · 27-10-2005 12:26PM

u might not think greenday's sound is punk but they are punks, they did not sell-out, they didnt sign an advertising contract to some big company

rcaz · 27-10-2005 02:54PM

Pearl666 wrote:

err...sorry about ya but I do think Rage Against The Machine gave there message out...and were actually poltical...unlike Green Day "Oh we were on the Against Bush album, lets make a political statement..in fact lets make a album on it"......fools.

and yeah so what if those people are in a garage jammin' away...there not corperate seel-outs who are now by the looks of it gonna make a video for every pòxy song on there new album cause they know that now there finished for good.

I liked them before AI, now they annoy me. They're taking the piss with the video for Jesus of Suburbia, and I was on their site the other day, and their fan club is $20 a year to join, but I do think they genuinely (I've seen so many variations on the spelling of this word today, I don't know what's right anymore. That and 'commercialism') have a political opinion they wanted to get across. They're musicians, they're going to make an album, right? Then, they saw how much of a money spinner it was, and decicded to milk it for all it's worth.

I wouldn't mind them so much if it weren't the following that goes with them. I know, it's a pretty crappy reason to go off a band, but I can't stand talking to people who claim to like punk music, and only listen to Green Day. Get some Clash into you.

I like ties...

Pearl666 · 27-10-2005 04:05PM

skapunkkeith wrote:

u might not think greenday's sound is punk but they are punks, they did not sell-out, they didnt sign an advertising contract to some big company

that still doesn't mean there not sell-outs....

ANarcho-Munk · 27-10-2005 04:54PM

jaysus lads, ya must be blind if ya haven't found out that Greenday have sold out by now..........

lacuna · 27-10-2005 04:58PM

Anarchist wrote:

Green day were never EVER a Punk band IMO, and as to The Clash they did drift away but not to commercialism.

For which reason do you not want Green Day on this forum, because they're not punk in the first place or because they're commercial? Because I wasn't under the impression that this forum was only for the bands that didn't quite make it.

Imo that the are "commercial" is only down to chance. Their music happens to be liked by a lot of people so they are popular. I don't think they particulary "sold out". Their music has certainly changed over the years but that's inevitable for any band that's been around for so long. From their point of view it would be boring not to vary style in some way.

I'm not sure I see the reason that Green Day needs to be compared to The Clash for credibility. It's a completely different time and I think it's rather obvious to most people that Green day are nothing like The Clash.

If people want to discuss Green Day here I don't see what the problem with that is. Even if Green Day had only a couple of songs that were remotely punk-like then that should still be enough for them to make an appearance here.

rcaz · 27-10-2005 05:44PM

Pearl666 wrote:

that still doesn't mean there not sell-outs....

Pearl, just 'cause someone's sold out, doesn't mean their music isn't good. If some band that play amazing music sold out, would you judge them on their music or their commerciality?

Anarchist · 27-10-2005 11:26PM

f®eak s&#169 wrote: »

Oh Christ. The Clash changed their sound to fit in with the new-wave scene that punk was branching into, because it was popular at the time. They thus failed to be as successful.

Er London Calling became immensely succesful and sold more then any of their pre or after albums.

rcaz · 28-10-2005 12:33PM

I heard Combat Rock was their best selling album.

On wiki, it says, "In 1982, The Clash returned with the best-selling of all their albums, Combat Rock."

Probably out of date, what with the 25th anniversary London Calling.

Misumi · 28-10-2005 12:44PM

i agree with skapunkkeith

punk isn't about the music you play, it's about attitude, doing what you want and being non-conformist. Spot the similarities between Blondie and the Sex Pistols, two great punk bands!

I'll reserve judgement on Greenday though...

ANarcho-Munk · 28-10-2005 01:28PM

Misumi wrote:

....and being non-conformist.

errrrrrr....

[rant]which is exactly one of the problems with punk today....... too many ****heads going round being "non-conformist"[/rant]

[sacasm]oohhh look at me, i'm a non-coformist i'm soooo coool, omg i'm so much more different than you.[/sarcasm]

Being yourself is being a non-conformist in my books and more importantly, being a non-conformist is about the way you think not the way you dress.

OLP · 28-10-2005 01:38PM

The Sex Pistols where shìte! They where over-hyped by the same media that had, at the start, slanderd them, but then when Punk became popular the media at the time couldnt get enough of them. And they milked it. like what Green Day are doing now.

Misumi · 28-10-2005 01:38PM

calm down man, exactly my point, be yourself

Graham Day · 28-10-2005 06:11PM

OLP wrote:

The Sex Pistols where shìte! They where over-hyped by the same media that had, at the start, slanderd them, but then when Punk became popular the media at the time couldnt get enough of them. And they milked it. like what Green Day are doing now.

The Sex Pistols were ****ing amazing. Never mind the Bollox is one of the best albums of all time without a doubt. **** what you say

Anarchist · 28-10-2005 06:25PM

I like the way Proper punk is now, underground pub gig bands.

I will now leave this thread as tbh it's like swimming against the tide, you kids just never knew real Punk or what it is now

ciao:o

Johnny Jukebox · 28-10-2005 09:32PM

Anarchist wrote:

I like the way Proper punk is now, underground pub gig bands.

I will now leave this thread as tbh it's like swimming against the tide, you kids just never knew real Punk or what it is now

ciao:o

Ha, 14 in 1977, so don't pull that elitist "i was a punk before you were a punk" nonsense. Seen them come, seem them go, so few made any impact and those that did were the really cute ones.

EvilPixieOne · 28-10-2005 09:49PM

and anyway, maybe Greenday'd rather be rich then real punk. They stuck at it long enough without selling out, and they've gotta end sometime, so they may as well end it rich and set for life

dregin · 29-10-2005 07:44AM

OLP wrote:

The Sex Pistols where shìte! They where over-hyped by the same media that had, at the start, slanderd them, but then when Punk became popular the media at the time couldnt get enough of them. And they milked it. like what Green Day are doing now.

What he/she/it said.

Green Day

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