Green Day

greendaysean15

Who else thinks GD are the best punk/rock band in the world. I love 'em. Infact i love em sooooo much i hav made a site bout 'em. Greenday Rock Gods. tk plz go visit it. im only 15 and it was really hard for me to make it, plz, plz, plz

OLP

Being 15 is not escuse for being stupid, you have not made any contribution to the forum, you merely stating that you think Green Day are "the best punk/rock band in the world." A statement which alot of people, including myself, would disagree very much. If it where up to me Green Day threads would not be allowed in the Punk forum, but it's up to Giblet and i have a feeling he will allow it.

My oppion, Green Day up to Nimrod was good pop-punk, after Nimrod is just a slipery slop towards comercialism i.e selling out, summary, Green Day are utter shìte.

honru

OLP wrote:

If it where up to me Green Day threads would not be allowed in the Punk forum, but it's up to Giblet and i have a feeling he will allow it.

...because you don't like them?

They are a punk/alternative rock band. Not punk in the sense of late 70s/80s punk but times have changed since then and the genre has evolved. Just accept it.

OLP

No, not because I dont like them, because i wouldnt consider them punk anymore. yeah the genres evolved, but i'll be damned if it's evloved to a stage where Green Day are considerd punk.

carpothepunk

As a green day fan,well,a green day fan up to the release of AI,i think they changed so much,with their new found stardom/riches.

I was at their ambassador gig last august,and ive seen them twice since.

the ambassador gig was the last gig they seemed like the old green day,and not a band out to please their new "fans".

I hope this phase ends,so they can go back to making real music

qz

carpothepunk wrote:

As a green day fan,well,a green day fan up to the release of AI,i think they changed so much,with their new found stardom/riches.

I was at their ambassador gig last august,and ive seen them twice since.

the ambassador gig was the last gig they seemed like the old green day,and not a band out to please their new "fans".

I hope this phase ends,so they can go back to making real music

Hear hear. Lose the suits and ties and lash on the t-shirts, dreads, or maybe even the Fat Elvis look circa Warning.

honru

I thought American Idiot (the song) was quite punk.

Ro: maaan!

OLP wrote:

No, not because I dont like them, because i wouldnt consider them punk anymore. yeah the genres evolved, but i'll be damned if it's evloved to a stage where Green Day are considerd punk.

Well, people do consider them punk. So you are damned, wheather they're right or not. Anyway, after the first two albums the Clash were hardly "punk" anymore. You not want them talked about here either?

I like Green Day. They're one of my favourite bands. I'd say they drifted away from punk in the more recent albums, but they're still making excellent music, imo. I don't see what the big deal is about having threads about bands that certain people don't think are punk enough. It's always quite clearly marked in the title what's in a thread. There isn't a limit to the number of threads here. There are just as many threads about what you think is punk here as there would be if this thread wasn't here. The off topic thread is the only rule that everyone seems to hold in high regard. I'd consider it to be the least important rule. The way I see it the fourm name is just a guide line. I don't see any problem with posting about things that are likely to appeal to a certain group (ie the kind of people who are likely to read a punk forum) even if it's not exactly what the forum title says.

Ro: maaan!

qz wrote:

Hear hear. Lose the suits and ties and lash on the t-shirts, dreads, or maybe even the Fat Elvis look circa Warning.

Billie Joe has always worn ties.

And the "fat Elvis look" was more due to them not touring than anything else. Least punk era of Green Day.

arbeitsscheuer

Ro: maaan! wrote:

And the "fat Elvis look" was more due to them not touring than anything else. Least punk era of Green Day.

Definitely.

As for me, I don't give a sh*t what genre anyone wants to pigeonhole Green Day into, as long as I love the music then I'm happy. And I'm still happy, after 11 years.

carpothepunk

qz wrote:

Hear hear. Lose the suits and ties and lash on the t-shirts, dreads, or maybe even the Fat Elvis look circa Warning.

nono,im not implying anything to do with their look pisses me off,i dont give a fock how they look,but,id prefer them to quit the **** with the **** bush stuff....perhaps a small bit is ok,but twenty minutes in a gig full of 12year olds who dont get it anyway is stupid

NotMe

greendaysean15 wrote:

Who else thinks GD are the best punk/rock band in the world.

Not me!

or... not NotMe..

carpothepunk

i believe the term is double negative

Graham Day

I saw the mat the ambassador and twice since then and Id agree that that was the last real Green Day gig. In other words you didnt know what song they were gonna play next. Nirvana were successful, nobody complained then. I think the point that Green Day are trying to make is that by staying uncommericail (to a certain extent) for so long was becoming boring and following the rules of punk rock. And now its time to break those rules cause ounks kinda of about not following any one's rules but yourself. There is a sound off AI that I dont like as much as any of their albums. To be everybody's definition of a punk band is virtually impossible

Johnny Jukebox

They're the best of punks.

American Idiot was one of the finest moments for a long,long time because it took a political statement onto heavy rotation MTV. Thats what its all about my friends, making the crossover into the prime time where all the people get to hear the message. It when your music gets onto the front pages, the chat shows, the editorals and the opinion pieces that you know you've made an impact.

WTF if your clothes are right, your industrial guitars are right, your lyrics are right yadda yadda yadda if you're stuck in the garage in front of your mates ?

ANarcho-Munk

Johnny Jukebox wrote:

American Idiot was one of the finest moments for a long,long time because it took a political statement onto heavy rotation on MTV.?

That's not very accomplishing though is it? I mean MTV + Politics doesn't really add up for me.....

bombidol

Johnny Jukebox wrote:

They're the best of punks.

American Idiot was one of the finest moments for a long,long time because it took a political statement onto heavy rotation MTV. Thats what its all about my friends, making the crossover into the prime time where all the people get to hear the message. It when your music gets onto the front pages, the chat shows, the editorals and the opinion pieces that you know you've made an impact.

WTF if your clothes are right, your industrial guitars are right, your lyrics are right yadda yadda yadda if you're stuck in the garage in front of your mates ?

Get the boat man. jasus...

Franky Boy

I think people think to much about them as people.
The band makes good music which has gathered many fans.There maybe different types of fans for the different eras of their music.
The music in my opinion is still great I love it.Also Billy has aways worn a tie so for all this tie business that people keep ****ing on about......STOP.
As for American Idiot,the album is excellent and it is extremely evident that much work was put into making it.

skapunkkeith

look, they have lived a punk life, they still do, they make music which is not always that same which is a good thing, most of there songs are punk songs, some of them arent but there still good, the people who say they are not punk arent punks so they dont know what punk is, if they did know what it was they would know that its about doing your own thing, and if you did this you would listen to them and come to your own conclusion about them, and put the way they look aside and realise that they are a good band, and a good punk band, people should really stop conforming, and stop saying stupid things just coz some trendseter did, just grow up




oh, nice site

skapunkkeith

and becoming popular and being successful is not selling out

greendaysean15

i didnt say that they were sell outs. their old stuff is better than the new but that doesnt mean dat i hate the new stuff. anyways go to my sites, www.greendayrockgods.tk and www.soggyfun.tk (which is for teengaers)

Johnny Jukebox

ANarcho-Munk wrote:

That's not very accomplishing though is it? I mean MTV + Politics doesn't really add up for me.....

Its highly accomplished. Its a subperb example of media manipulation and brand subversion. MTV (whether you like it or not) is the default because of its global coverage. Get your message on there and you've got a huge audience.

Give me a better example in recent times of a musical act that got a global platform to denigrate the most powerful leader and institution in the world ?

Love

I like Green Day. And I tend not to label bands as different genres, particularly if their music changes over time. What does it matter if they're punk or not really? It's the music itself that's important, not the label.

What annoys me is when certain narrow-minded people come up to me because I'm wearing an American Idiot t-shirt and start verbally abusing me over it because in their opinion (which they are entitled to have obviously, but they shouldn't disrespect others because of it) anything Green Day have done since Nimrod is s***

ANarcho-Munk

Johnny Jukebox wrote:

Its highly accomplished. Its a subperb example of media manipulation and brand subversion. MTV (whether you like it or not) is the default because of its global coverage. Get your message on there and you've got a huge audience.

Give me a better example in recent times of a musical act that got a global platform to denigrate the most powerful leader and institution in the world ?

My point being that most people who are going to be watching Greenday on MTV are for the most part politically unaware and the only time they hear about politics is some overpolished guy in a punk band saying "mmmmrgh capitalism is shoite, don't conform" and all other rantings.....

Johnny Jukebox

ANarcho-Munk wrote:

My point being that most people who are going to be watching Greenday on MTV are for the most part politically unaware and the only time they hear about politics is some overpolished guy in a punk band saying "mmmmrgh capitalism is shoite, don't conform" and all other rantings.....

Whats the problem with that ? "Most people" don't have bull**** detectors so they're not gonna look past the media that they're fed. So to get anything across, you must subvert whats there. My opinion is that Green Day did exactly that with American Idiot.

Wayne and Tracy are not going read opinion pieces in the Guardian, mull over Marxism today or hang onto Pilgers latest rant to inform themselves; they're gonna sit on their arses, eat Pringles and watch MTV.

Lieselotte

Whatever. Lots of people are doing their own thing and are just simply not punx. Green day are a heavier kind of take that and thats it. ****ing commercial ****

OLP

Lieselotte wrote:

Whatever. Lots of people are doing their own thing and are just simply not punx. Green day are a heavier kind of take that and thats it. ****ing commercial ****

[sarcasm]yeah down with commercialism, mneh, all the other angsty teenagers hate commercialism for some reason, i might aswell.[/sarcasm]

if a band is genuenly good and doesnt pretend to be something its not and is just straight foward good music, then theres nothing wrong with the commercial success they achieve. however if a band changes to achieve commercial success, that is a big no no in my books.

moonstomp

Love wrote:

I like Green Day. And I tend not to label bands as different genres, particularly if their music changes over time. What does it matter if they're punk or not really? It's the music itself that's important, not the label.

I'm with Love & Johnny Jukebox on this one. Green Day served their dues. It's not like they didn't work to get where they are or that they're some kind of manufactured punk band or something. I tremember seeing them in The White Horse pub (beside Tara Street Dart station) many, many years ago sweating it out in a room too small for the crowd that was there. These guys grew up through the Gilman Street thing (old timers will know what I'm talking about). And yes they are big and yes they sell a lot of records but equally they're reaching a lot more kids than Crass or Conflict ever did / will.

Respect.

Moonstomp.

carpothepunk

The white horse inn...funny you should say that,they were SUPPORTING my sisters fiance's band at the time:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

mc nuggets

OLP wrote:

if a band is genuenly good and doesnt pretend to be something its not and is just straight foward good music, then theres nothing wrong with the commercial success they achieve. however if a band changes to achieve commercial success, that is a big no no in my books.

I agree with OLP on this, a band should achieve fame with good music, NOT pretending to be something their not, which sadly doesn't always happen
hense all the pop ****e that fills radio stations all round the country. Any band that is made just to be famous should be ashamed of themselves because they are killing off plenty of hard working lesser known bands in the process of gaining themselves fame and glory, someone should not be critisied for what music they listen to because that is their opinon and they are intitled to their own opinion. In the end it's the music thats importent not whether the band is famous or not I can think of many lesser known bands that play much better music than big well known bands but never get any credit for their hard work.

Pearl666

Johnny Jukebox wrote:

They're the best of punks.

American Idiot was one of the finest moments for a long,long time because it took a political statement onto heavy rotation MTV. Thats what its all about my friends, making the crossover into the prime time where all the people get to hear the message. It when your music gets onto the front pages, the chat shows, the editorals and the opinion pieces that you know you've made an impact.

WTF if your clothes are right, your industrial guitars are right, your lyrics are right yadda yadda yadda if you're stuck in the garage in front of your mates ?

err...sorry about ya but I do think Rage Against The Machine gave there message out...and were actually poltical...unlike Green Day "Oh we were on the Against Bush album, lets make a political statement..in fact lets make a album on it"......fools.

and yeah so what if those people are in a garage jammin' away...there not corperate seel-outs who are now by the looks of it gonna make a video for every pòxy song on there new album cause they know that now there finished for good.

Pearl666

Lieselotte wrote:

Whatever. Lots of people are doing their own thing and are just simply not punx. Green day are a heavier kind of take that and thats it. ****ing commercial ****

yes oh yes lets all hate commercialism as my mate OLP said....stupid kids, you give us good teenagers a bad name.

and as for Green Day "heavier kind of takt at that" yeah ya see there trying to do what Rage did when they were a band...yeah Zach De LaRoche should just kill billie joe...greend day....muppets and there is no possible way of them going back to what they were....they'd lose money..therefor no...cause there money hungry arsehòles

mc nuggets

Pearl666 wrote:

yes oh yes lets all hate commercialism as my mate OLP said....stupid kids, you give us good teenagers a bad name.

and as for Green Day "heavier kind of takt at that" yeah ya see there trying to do what Rage did when they were a band...yeah Zach De LaRoche should just kill billie joe...greend day....muppets and there is no possible way of them going back to what they were....they'd lose money..therefor no...cause there money hungry arsehòles

Thank you. that was what I was trying to get across. They were good, well respectable when they were about music not trying to be controversial, to make money. They've crossed the line. So far across the line. The line is now a dot.

Johnny Jukebox

Pearl666 wrote:

err...sorry about ya but I do think Rage Against The Machine gave there message out...and were actually poltical...unlike Green Day "Oh we were on the Against Bush album, lets make a political statement..in fact lets make a album on it"......fools.

and yeah so what if those people are in a garage jammin' away...there not corperate seel-outs who are now by the looks of it gonna make a video for every pòxy song on there new album cause they know that now there finished for good.

Gave it out to who though ? RATM do not have the anything like the reach of Green Day right now. Listen, I'm not making a call on whose got the best street cred in the "punk" book of reckoning; I'm merely pointing out that Green Day did an unusual and difficult thing by getting a political message onto global mainstream media in todays day and age.

If you're happy in the garage, stay there. The only people that will get hear your viewpoint are the neighbours.

ANarcho-Munk

Johnny Jukebox wrote:

Gave it out to who though ? RATM do not have the anything like the reach of Green Day right now. Listen, I'm not making a call on whose got the best street cred in the "punk" book of reckoning; I'm merely pointing out that Green Day did an unusual and difficult thing by getting a political message onto global mainstream media in todays day and age.

And most people who'll be watching Greenday on MTV won't even fooping know that they're going on about politics......

because Wayne and Tracy are not going to be interested in opening up their ears, mulling over how great the lyrics and how politically motivated greenday are or hang onto Billie Joes latest rant to inform themselves about how they're rights are being infringed; they're just gonna sit on their arses,turn into vegetables and watch MTV.

ANarcho-Munk

And another sign of Greenday selling out is when every god damn kid out there starts making websites about them.

Anarchist

OLP wrote:

Being 15 is not escuse for being stupid, you have not made any contribution to the forum, you merely stating that you think Green Day are "the best punk/rock band in the world." A statement which alot of people, including myself, would disagree very much. If it where up to me Green Day threads would not be allowed in the Punk forum, but it's up to Giblet and i have a feeling he will allow it.

My oppion, Green Day up to Nimrod was good pop-punk, after Nimrod is just a slipery slop towards comercialism i.e selling out, summary, Green Day are utter shìte.

lol and so true, Greenday are as Punk as Westlife are Punk.

qz

Anarchist wrote:

lol and so true, Greenday are as Punk as Westlife are Punk.

Very much doubt that.

You ever listened to 1039 Smoothed Out Slappy Hours? Ok, I wouldn't call it punk, but that's neither here nor there, it's just my opinion, as your statement about Green Day being as punk as Westlife is your own opinion... I suppose.

But seriously, GD are obviously more "punk" than Westlife. Don't go posting retarded shít like that. :rolleyes:

Anarchist

Ro: maaan! wrote:

Well, people do consider them punk. So you are damned, wheather they're right or not. Anyway, after the first two albums the Clash were hardly "punk" anymore. You not want them talked about here either?

I like Green Day. They're one of my favourite bands. I'd say they drifted away from punk in the more recent albums, but they're still making excellent music, imo. I don't see what the big deal is about having threads about bands that certain people don't think are punk enough. It's always quite clearly marked in the title what's in a thread. There isn't a limit to the number of threads here. There are just as many threads about what you think is punk here as there would be if this thread wasn't here. The off topic thread is the only rule that everyone seems to hold in high regard. I'd consider it to be the least important rule. The way I see it the fourm name is just a guide line. I don't see any problem with posting about things that are likely to appeal to a certain group (ie the kind of people who are likely to read a punk forum) even if it's not exactly what the forum title says.

Green day were never EVER a Punk band IMO, and as to The Clash they did drift away but not to commercialism.

Johnny Jukebox

ANarcho-Munk wrote:

And most people who'll be watching Greenday on MTV won't even fooping know that they're going on about politics......

because Wayne and Tracy are not going to be interested in opening up their ears, mulling over how great the lyrics and how politically motivated greenday are or hang onto Billie Joes latest rant to inform themselves about how they're rights are being infringed; they're just gonna sit on their arses,turn into vegetables and watch MTV.

Really ? and you know this how ? And you missed my point AGAIN. I never, unlike you, posited any consequence of this.

To reiterate, at least the media is now in front of the unfortunate Wayne and Tracy which means it may or may not affect the way they think about the world. Which CANNOT happen if the fcking song is not on the TV in the first place.

The worst mistake the Clash made was not appearing on TOTP. Strummer got that completely wrong because they had the opportunity and could'nt see it.

Another example - the Undertones on TOTP playing "My Cousin Kevin", wearing black armbands in support of the H-Block hunger strikers. Whatever your political viewpoint on the subject, it was a brillant piece of media subversion, broadcast primetime on the premier TV station of the country that was the opposing force in the conflict, juxtaposing bubblegum pop with a statement of people starving themselves to death. Cool as fck.

honru

Originally Posted by OLP
if a band is genuenly good and doesnt pretend to be something its not and is just straight foward good music, then theres nothing wrong with the commercial success they achieve. however if a band changes to achieve commercial success, that is a big no no in my books.

American Idiot was hardly a massive change in sound for Green Day. It was just a concept album, and no-one guaranteed its success. It was just around at the right place at the right time.

Originally Posted by Anarchist
lol and so true, Greenday are as Punk as Westlife are Punk.

Fantastic contribution there. I look forward to your future posts.

Originally Posted by Anarchist
Green day were never EVER a Punk band IMO, and as to The Clash they did drift away but not to commercialism.

Oh Christ. The Clash changed their sound to fit in with the new-wave scene that punk was branching into, because it was popular at the time. They thus failed to be as successful.

Graham Day

Pearl666 wrote:

yes oh yes lets all hate commercialism as my mate OLP said....stupid kids, you give us good teenagers a bad name.

and as for Green Day "heavier kind of takt at that" yeah ya see there trying to do what Rage did when they were a band...yeah Zach De LaRoche should just kill billie joe...greend day....muppets and there is no possible way of them going back to what they were....they'd lose money..therefor no...cause there money hungry arsehòles

I think they earned enough from Dookie to live on the rest of their lives I dont think its a money thing. Your just spinning off a load of easy answers and thinking your hardcore. Whatever makes you feel good about yourself fair enough

Graham Day

f®eak s&#169 wrote: »

American Idiot was hardly a massive change in sound for Green Day. It was just a concept album, and no-one guaranteed its success. It was just around at the right place at the right time.



Fantastic contribution there. I look forward to your future posts.



Oh Christ. The Clash changed their sound to fit in with the new-wave scene that punk was branching into, because it was popular at the time. They thus failed to be as successful.

I'll back you up on that. Just seen Are we the waiting/St Jimmy on MTV 2 from the Milton Keynes gig. ****in savage

moonstomp

Johnny Jukebox wrote:

The worst mistake the Clash made was not appearing on TOTP. Strummer got that completely wrong because they had the opportunity and could'nt see it.

Another example - the Undertones on TOTP playing "My Cousin Kevin", wearing black armbands in support of the H-Block hunger strikers. Whatever your political viewpoint on the subject, it was a brillant piece of media subversion, broadcast primetime on the premier TV station of the country that was the opposing force in the conflict, juxtaposing bubblegum pop with a statement of people starving themselves to death. Cool as fck.

Johnny Jukebox wrote:

If you're happy in the garage, stay there. The only people that will get hear your viewpoint are the neighbours.

A1 !

This is SO true. Too many people equate success or using the media to get your point accross as "selling out". The people who've done most to get accross anti-establishment views/norms are the people who've used their popularity to access mainstream communication (radio/TV/MTV whatever). (Not the people who've sat in their bedrooms/flats listening to the latest Conflict album.)

Look at bands like The Undertones, The Clash, Rage Agianst THe Machine, The Dead Kennedys, The Rollins Band, Green Day - they've put the message out there, they HAVE influenced people.

Peace.

Moonstomp.

skapunkkeith

u might not think greenday's sound is punk but they are punks, they did not sell-out, they didnt sign an advertising contract to some big company

rcaz

Pearl666 wrote:

err...sorry about ya but I do think Rage Against The Machine gave there message out...and were actually poltical...unlike Green Day "Oh we were on the Against Bush album, lets make a political statement..in fact lets make a album on it"......fools.

and yeah so what if those people are in a garage jammin' away...there not corperate seel-outs who are now by the looks of it gonna make a video for every pòxy song on there new album cause they know that now there finished for good.

I liked them before AI, now they annoy me. They're taking the piss with the video for Jesus of Suburbia, and I was on their site the other day, and their fan club is $20 a year to join, but I do think they genuinely (I've seen so many variations on the spelling of this word today, I don't know what's right anymore. That and 'commercialism') have a political opinion they wanted to get across. They're musicians, they're going to make an album, right? Then, they saw how much of a money spinner it was, and decicded to milk it for all it's worth.

I wouldn't mind them so much if it weren't the following that goes with them. I know, it's a pretty crappy reason to go off a band, but I can't stand talking to people who claim to like punk music, and only listen to Green Day. Get some Clash into you.

I like ties...

Pearl666

skapunkkeith wrote:

u might not think greenday's sound is punk but they are punks, they did not sell-out, they didnt sign an advertising contract to some big company

that still doesn't mean there not sell-outs....

ANarcho-Munk

jaysus lads, ya must be blind if ya haven't found out that Greenday have sold out by now..........

lacuna

Anarchist wrote:

Green day were never EVER a Punk band IMO, and as to The Clash they did drift away but not to commercialism.

For which reason do you not want Green Day on this forum, because they're not punk in the first place or because they're commercial? Because I wasn't under the impression that this forum was only for the bands that didn't quite make it.

Imo that the are "commercial" is only down to chance. Their music happens to be liked by a lot of people so they are popular. I don't think they particulary "sold out". Their music has certainly changed over the years but that's inevitable for any band that's been around for so long. From their point of view it would be boring not to vary style in some way.

I'm not sure I see the reason that Green Day needs to be compared to The Clash for credibility. It's a completely different time and I think it's rather obvious to most people that Green day are nothing like The Clash.

If people want to discuss Green Day here I don't see what the problem with that is. Even if Green Day had only a couple of songs that were remotely punk-like then that should still be enough for them to make an appearance here.

rcaz

Pearl666 wrote:

that still doesn't mean there not sell-outs....

Pearl, just 'cause someone's sold out, doesn't mean their music isn't good. If some band that play amazing music sold out, would you judge them on their music or their commerciality?

Anarchist

f®eak s&#169 wrote: »

Oh Christ. The Clash changed their sound to fit in with the new-wave scene that punk was branching into, because it was popular at the time. They thus failed to be as successful.

Er London Calling became immensely succesful and sold more then any of their pre or after albums.