US: 2X04 - "Everybody Hates Hugo" [SPOILERS WITHIN]

mr_angry · 15-10-2005 06:31PM

Padrock wrote:

Does anybody else find it a little bit strange that in the whole time Locke & Boon were exploring, they never came across the proper entrance to the hatch??!! I mean when we see Hurley enter it, it doesn't seem too hidden away.

Also, is there any valid explanation why Ana Lucia is being such a strict bitch? She's obviously a few steps ahead of Locke & the boys of understanding what's going on. Suppose once we find out how most of the 23 died/got kidnapped...

Although your criticism could be valid, its equally possible that Kate, Desmond, and Jack destroyed the cover by going in and out repeatedly. Also, in a jungle like that, you could walk within 20 feet of something like that and never see it. I just wonder why the 'force' leading Locke led him to the hatch, and not the front door!

On the subject of Ana Lucia, I think her attitude is very understandable. Jack is pretty stressed and scared of strangers (look at him pointing the gun at Desmond) and he's been leading a fairly happy-go-lucky group of castaways with a golf course! Imagine what it would be like if people were repeatedly being kidnapped / killed / dying of some sickness. Under that kind of stress, its easy to see why Ana Lucia could be bad-tempered.

Anyone else think Sawyer is doing a good job of looking very pale and sickly at the moment? It looks almost as if the film has been deliberately doctored to lessen the colour in his face. Of course, he should probably look a lot worse with a gunshot wound, but he definitely appears different compared to the other cast members.

anotherlostie · 15-10-2005 07:51PM

I gave this episode an 8. The Hurley storyline didn't tell us too much new, but I thought it was well acted especially his mom and his mate. I am pretty certain too that Randy, their boss, was also Locke's boss in his first flashback episode in S01. Another link between the castaways? And Harold Perrineau's wife got another spin as Lotto girl - I expect we'll see her again. I think I was hoping this would delve into Hurley's link to the psych hospital, but i guess we'll have to wait for his next turn (no doubt Jack will have another three storylines before then :mad: ).

As for the Ana Lucia group, this is moving a bit too slowly - we finally got introduced to Libby (who made the opening credit list), but not a whole lot else. I'm really curious to know what has happened to this group of survivors now and hoped we would have heard a bit more last week. And my subconscious racism meant that I was surprised that Bernard was white.

IMDB also credits Kimberley Joseph as 'Flight Attendant' for this episode; she used to be in Cold Feet as the Oz Nanny and I remember one of the tabloid TV critics writing something bitchy about her because she appeared in the pilot, and of course was assumed then to be dead. Looks like she is back from there!

CuLT · 16-10-2005 12:52AM

Mention of Chernobyl and that they're in the Pacific Ocean ring any bells?

France conducted extensive nucelar testing in the Pacific Ocean from 1966 until the late ninties. "A thousand miles off course" coupled with a guess as to what a flight path from Sydney to Los Angeles would be easily puts the location of the Island within the region of the nuclear testing.

This'd make the mutation theory plausible but also would explain the bunker network (if not built in the seventies/eighties by DHARMA).

And eh, seeing as I'm new to this forum, if this has already been discussed to death, apologies (and please point me to the thread so I can see what other people thought

).

monkeyfudge · 16-10-2005 01:38AM

Welcome CuLT...

Good to have you on board.

Waltons · 16-10-2005 01:43AM

Indeed, welcome!
I like your theory about the french testing. The Chernobyl mention by Sayid was, indeed, interesting. It seems strange that The Dharma Initiative would set up a station "to observe electromagnetic fluctuations" (or somesuch) directly on top of something they'd have to coat with several feet of concrete...

tvnutz · 16-10-2005 01:44AM

Good episode,fairly slow moving but that is ok at this point in the season. Everything else has pretty much been said here.

7/10

monkeyfudge · 16-10-2005 01:52AM

I'm inclined to agree with Jack when it comes to Dharma..

I believe the whole push the button thing is merely a behavioral conditioning experiment.

I'd say Dharma is just another in a long line of people to be wrapped up and consumed by the island.

So far we have the Black Rock, Adam and Eve, Dharma, the French Science Team, the Drug Smuglars, Desmond and Flight 815.

Anima · 16-10-2005 03:21AM

Does Sayid know about the "incident" I wonder?. If he does, it would make sense for him to mention Chernobyl. After all theres tons of concrete burying something which is giving off a lot of magnetism and is potentionally dangerous. Sayid isn't much of an explorer so I think he said it just to scare Jack off a little.

CuLT · 16-10-2005 10:18AM

Cheers for the welcome!

monkeyfudge wrote:

I'm inclined to agree with Jack when it comes to Dharma..

I believe the whole push the button thing is merely a behavioral conditioning experiment.

Yeah, I agree, I was disappointed when Jack actually went ahead and pushed it.

Anima wrote:

Sayid isn't much of an explorer

I don't know about that; after all, he had set off top "map the coast" when he first came across Rousseau.

16-10-2005 12:55PM

Mellow episode
The mayo in a sandwich.
I liked it though

So the passengers from the tail survived and are in another experiment bunker on the island by the looks of things.

I wouldnt take issue with the survivor numbers being repeated or the lottery numbers yet.
Theres a reason for that (I hope)

I suppose we'll find out in about 5 episodes time what has happened to the rest of the tail survivors.
Producers and script writers can be bastards sometimes.

Anima · 16-10-2005 01:55PM

I don't know about that; after all, he had set off top "map the coast" when he first came across Rousseau.

Wasn't that just an excuse to get away for a while?

I was thinking more of when he didn't want the hatch open anyway.

CuLT · 16-10-2005 04:36PM

Anima wrote:

Wasn't that just an excuse to get away for a while?

Sure, but if he really wasn't going to do it he really didn't need an excuse, did he?

I was thinking more of when he didn't want the hatch open anyway.

Yeah, that could be a good indicator, though I think there's a balance between curiosity and safety that Sayid treads rather better than the others. Though it did get the better of him with the cable leading to Rousseau, so maybe not...

Catsmokinpot · 16-10-2005 05:39PM

probably trawling through old waters havent really read the posts but sure here's my two cents.

great episode specially when hurley goes a bit crazy with the dynamite.

I liked the flashbacks too, DAMN! was your one in the record shop fine out!! shame though you didnt get to see the meteor hit the burger place, now that would have been cool.

Tcamen you got your wish we get to see the entrance

although it didnt look very well hidden but they might not even have looked in the right place for it

i wonder is that nigerian feller from flight 815 or is he from the drugs smuggling plane... the other station looks wrecked.... wonder what happened. they all look pretty scared, i dont think its the sickness, id say its the others or some sort of monster and i think they are in the dark territory.

nice little bit with walts head on the milk carton they really pay attention to detail and when you find out roses husband is alright, although a little obvious still good, but jin and ur man with the chicken suit? WTF was that all about....

Draupnir · 16-10-2005 06:51PM

I doubt the big black guy is from the Nigerian drug plane, Id be 100% confident he is from flight 815.

Why would someone that was on the island already, thus knowing more than the flight people, take orders from Ana Lucia?

Steoob · 16-10-2005 06:56PM

Draupnir wrote:

I doubt the big black guy is from the Nigerian drug plane, Id be 100% confident he is from flight 815.

Why would someone that was on the island already, thus knowing more than the flight people, take orders from Ana Lucia?

because shes JUST that much of a bitch , haha

pickarooney · 16-10-2005 09:35PM

Would somebody just make a f*cking batch file/cron job to enter the numbers every 108 seconds automatically?

I was ready to hit Jack a couple of slaps at the beginning of the episode when he had a go at Hurley for bringing Rose down the hatch. What a wanker!

A very enjoyable episode on the whole, even if the flashbacks were more for fun than any important revelations. That shot of Hurley in the car, surrounded by people - was that the same shot we saw on Jin/Sun's TV in one of their flashbacks?

Basq · 16-10-2005 09:43PM

pickarooney wrote:

Would somebody just make a f*cking batch file/cron job to enter the numbers every 108 seconds automatically?

I was thinking the exact same thing when i saw it!

Wouldn't be quite as exciting with that though, would it?

Locke: "I think you should push it Ja..... errrr, never mind...'Numbers.bat' just executed!

pickarooney wrote:

A very enjoyable episode on the whole, even if the flashbacks were more for fun than any important revelations. That shot of Hurley in the car, surrounded by people - was that the same shot we saw on Jin/Sun's TV in one of their flashbacks?

Don't think so.. i remember distinctly the shot of Hurley was him getting out of the car smiling in the daytime. Not sitting in a car... frowning... and at nightime!

Hyzepher · 16-10-2005 09:46PM

Why in Hurleys dream would he put Walt on the side of a milk carton - should we read something into that. It's not as if he knows the fate of the refters now is it !!!

Hyzepher

Basq · 16-10-2005 10:40PM

Hyzepher wrote:

Why in Hurleys dream would he put Walt on the side of a milk carton - should we read something into that. It's not as if he knows the fate of the refters now is it !!!

Hyzepher

Think it was an in-joke, to be honest... nothing more!

Steoob · 16-10-2005 11:00PM

basquille wrote:

Locke: "I think you should push it Ja..... errrr, never mind...'Numbers.bat' just executed!

haha... nice

viking · 16-10-2005 11:08PM

Not sure if it was mentioned already but did anyone notice that the Dharma logo on the wall was different in the "station" that Anna Lucia and the other survivors are in? It doesn't have the Swan symbol but more of a straight line type of emblem.

Basq · 16-10-2005 11:08PM

viking wrote:

Not sure if it was mentioned already but did anyone notice that the Dharma logo on the wall was different in the "station" that Anna Lucia and the other survivors are in? It doesn't have the Swan symbol but more of a straight line type of emblem.

Yeah.. i think it was an arrow in place of the swan!

herobear · 16-10-2005 11:15PM

yup, here it is

http://img377.imageshack.us/my.php?image=otherdharma7kn.jpg

and here's the symbol that was on the shark in 2.2 "Adrift"
http://aurig.us/lost/shark39mm.png
thats 3 in total now

Sleepy · 17-10-2005 12:00AM

Has anyone else been wondering if there are so few of the tail survivors left *because* of Ana Lucia? Her character is quite clearly acting in a deranged fashion in regard to Sawyer and there's no reason for the big guy to be subservient to her for any reason other than her being psycho/having access to a weapon he doesn't...

Though, it could just be that they've had their own run-in with an Ethan type character?

Finally, I notice a lot of people seem to post in these threads without bothering to read the rest of them. Stop feckin' spamming. If someone's already pointed out something, and you've nothing original to add, you're just wasting everyone else's time. A discussion board is for people to share ideas, not just somewhere for you to post yours.

duridian · 17-10-2005 01:29AM

Another possible way in which 'nuclear' could come into the story is as a power source for the Dharma station(s). Sayid's mentioned Chernobyl as the last time he heard of this much concrete being poured into anything. Maybe there is a nuclear reactor beneath the island that caused problems and was buried as a precaution, and that the typing in of the numbers every 108 minutes is to vent off some kind of pressure valve or the like, maybe some yokes like these for example.
another power related thought that crossed my mind was when Kate mentions that the shower water smelled of sulphur. Sulfur occurs native in the vicinity of volcanoes and hot springs., so could the station(s) be powered by geothermal energy?
I had a few more thoughts on my mind control theory. Didn't both Sayid and Sawyer experience the feeling that someone was whispering to them when they were in the jungle back in Season 1? Also the episode where Locke bashes Boone across the head, then ties him up and dopes him with some pasty mixture that he applies to Boone's head wound. That experience caused Boone to imagine that he was seeing Shannon killed by Lostzilla. That was kind of leaning towards mind control/altered behaviour too wasn't it?
In fact if not for the incident with the pilot in the 'Pilot' episode, where they obtained a 2way radio (which they still possessed upon their return to camp, thereby proving they really did see the pilot I guess), I would definitely be thinking that Lostzilla is not really there at all, but just a product of some induced group hysteria. Sorry for harping back to last seaon here again, I know this is a season 2 thread, but even in the pilot/Lostzilla incident I though it strange, that when Jack, Kate and Charlie are bricking it over the monster sounds they are hearing from outside the cockpit section, the pilot looks at them in a kind of puzzled manner and says "What's just outside?" as if he cannot hear anything. Plus he then proceeds to stick his head out the window in a very gung-ho manner if he actually can hear a monster outside.
To me the invisible monster is kind of intangible and inexplicable. Pretty much everything else can be explained in some sort of a way except the 'monster', (Even the polar bears can be explained, as they may have been in transit to a zoo by a plane which crashed)

qz · 18-10-2005 09:14PM

This episode was alright, but Hurley's backstory was nowhere near as good as "Numbers". Except the hallucination, genius way to begin the episode. (After the whole Ana Lucia name calling part).
The other survivors were a bit meh, don't seem all that intereseting tbh. Roll on next week, when we'll hopefully get a bit of proper progression in the story.

Anybody else really want to deck Michelle Rodriguez in her man-face?

Steoob · 18-10-2005 09:37PM

qz wrote:

Anybody else really want to deck Michelle Rodriguez in her man-face?

yup!

fightin irish · 18-10-2005 10:22PM

qz wrote:

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Anybody else really want to deck Michelle Rodriguez in her man-face?

I'd give her a good seeing to first ,then id deck her

Steoob · 18-10-2005 10:27PM

fightin irish wrote:

I'd give her a good seeing to first ,then id deck her

you cant be serious.. i mean..woof woof...

fightin irish · 18-10-2005 10:54PM

Steoob wrote:

you cant be serious.. i mean..woof woof...

lol maybe not a ''good'' seeing to but atleast a look in

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US: 2X04 - "Everybody Hates Hugo" [SPOILERS WITHIN]