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#152 09-10-2005 04:55PM

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Holland and Belgium were neutral as well, but they seemed to make a nice undefended route into France around the Maginot line, so they got invaded. Do you really think that if Hitler had made it as far as the UK, that he would have then stopped and not invaded Ireland just because it was neutral? Ireland would be needed inorder to secure the UK from invasion from the US.

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#153 09-10-2005 04:59PM

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Ehm, what has speculation over world war two have to do with this?

If you want to discuss world war two, then take it to History/Heritage

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#154 09-10-2005 05:02PM

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Think it's something to do with how we should be grateful to Engerland for "protecting" us during WWII

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#155 09-10-2005 05:03PM

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So it looks like this so far:-

Hitler would have invaded neutral Ireland to stop the US leap-frogging into the UK...
The US would have invaded neutral Ireland to leap-frog into the UK...

So who is the bad guy? The US or Hitler? Either way we get reamed...

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#156 09-10-2005 05:09PM

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Ah, the English - they're a great bunch of lads.

Gawd, this thread is a waste of time.

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#157 09-10-2005 05:11PM

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simu wrote:

Ah, the English - they're a great bunch of lads.

Gawd, this thread is a waste of time.

It actually wasn't that bad earlier, about 3 or 4 pages ago, but it's degenerated into this sh*t, so I spose it should be locked.

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#158 09-10-2005 05:14PM

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Think it's something to do with how we should be grateful to Engerland for "protecting" us during WWII

That's actually one part of the English mentality that does annoy me - when you hear dumbasses like Johnny Vaughan on the TV roaring on about stuff like how France have won one World Cup and European Cup but they couldn't win a World War.

England didn't win the war on their own. It was a collective effort and Russia and the US did a hell of a lot.

That's my rant over.

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#159 09-10-2005 05:15PM

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I think its been widely accepted that the Americans are the reason we're not speaking German, not the English.

Actually its widely accepted that we would be speaking German had it not been for the co-operation of many nations including Britain and the US. The Americans cannot, and should not take the credit for an allied victory in WW2.

Anyway, wrong forum for this.....

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#160 09-10-2005 05:18PM

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RuggieBear wrote:

Think it's something to do with how we should be grateful to Engerland for "protecting" us during WWII

It's more that speculating over what would happened if Germany would have won is just a tad off topic.

They didn't win, so it really is a moot point.

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#161 09-10-2005 05:25PM

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Lemlin wrote:

I think its been widely accepted that the Americans are the reason we're not speaking German, not the English.

Widely accepted by Hollywood, Americans and naive Europeans that seem to think America saved Europe's ass in WW2. It's absolute and utter rubbish.

Indeed America lost several hundred thousand soldiers during WW2 and for that, Europe should indeed be very grateful. However, this misconception that America 'saved our asses' is utter rubbish. It was the Russians who saved Europe, not America. However, due to our close alliances with the US since WW2 and America's altercations with the USSR, it is commonly accepted that America saved our asses. Despite the fact that 17 million Russians died fighting Hitler and eventually overthrew Berlin.

It makes me absolutely sick to my stomach to hear Americans and Europeans waffle on about how the US saved our asses in W/W2 and never a mention of the brave and galliant Russians. Well, I suppose... we have less in common with them so why would we give them any credit? :rolleyes:

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#162 09-10-2005 05:31PM

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simu wrote:

Ah, the English - they're a great bunch of lads.

Gawd, this thread is a waste of time.

Aye, but if you leave them here, they'll stay here, and not make more pointless threads.

US saved our asses when they dropped the nukes.

Hitler would have wiped the floor with the Russians if he hadn't waited 5 months to attack.

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#163 09-10-2005 05:38PM

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It's not that far off the topic. Part of the English superiority complex is their belief that the actually won two world wars, when in fact the didn't, the US did. As for the world cup, did that ball actually cross the line?

Britain is not the superpower it once was and they either can't or won't accept that. What they have done across the world over the centuries has now come to haunt them. The two most common surnames in the UK are Smith and Patel. AFAIK there are 18 million non-white residents in the UK. That's almost 1 in 3. I can understand why the "native" English feel threatened, but don't expect any sympathy from me.

The colonies that they have abused for centuries, us included, are no longer taking any abuse. The Englishman can't deal with Johnny Foreigner on equal terms, especially if they are slightly off-white or darker in colour.

In conclusion Laguna there will be the occasional anti-English rant on Boards. Either avoid the threads or live with it, we have had to live with much worse.

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#164 09-10-2005 06:25PM

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oh, you know what, i really cant be arsed anymore.

some people cant be educated, and some people wont be educated.

people would rather live in the past where there is someone else to hate and blame for all that is wrong with their own lives.

its easier to blame someone else, make broad sweeping statements based on something you just pulled out of yor arse, than it is to be openminded and open to change.

personally, i equate the brit haters in ireland to the BNP in the UK.

i find the intolerance very pitiful.

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#165 09-10-2005 06:34PM

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Hagar wrote:

Britain is not the superpower it once was and they either can't or won't accept that. What they have done across the world over the centuries has now come to haunt them. The two most common surnames in the UK are Smith and Patel. AFAIK there are 18 million non-white residents in the UK. That's almost 1 in 3. I can understand why the "native" English feel threatened, but don't expect any sympathy from me.

Is there a place on the net which only gives out spurious stats?

Here's the truth as measured in the 2001 census

On WW2 Britian held the line in 1940/41, the Soviet Union won the war while the Yanks finnished it off while making the most money off the back of it.

Mike.

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#166 09-10-2005 06:56PM

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Hagar wrote:

It's not that far off the topic. Part of the English superiority complex is their belief that the actually won two world wars, when in fact the didn't, the US did. As for the world cup, did that ball actually cross the line?
it was 4-2 and we won the world cup

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#167 09-10-2005 06:56PM

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Hagar wrote:

Britain is not the superpower it once was and they either can't or won't accept that.

Im not sure where to start on this tripe - but here we go. There is only one superpower in this world and its the US. Most British people would agree with that. However with global nuclear delivery capability, massive finanical influence, decent armed forces, and a seat on the UN security council - its fair to say that Britian is still a World Power in a number of ways.

Hagar wrote:

What they have done across the world over the centuries has now come to haunt them. The two most common surnames in the UK are Smith and Patel. AFAIK there are 18 million non-white residents in the UK. That's almost 1 in 3. I can understand why the "native" English feel threatened, but don't expect any sympathy from me.

Are you suggesting the (welcome) immigration to Britain is an invasion? Quite frankly thats laughable. The vast majority of immigrants have moved to Britain because they wanted to to get a better life and to take on some aspects of the english way of life. The majority of British people realise that it has been a good thing.

Hagar wrote:

The Englishman can't deal with Johnny Foreigner on equal terms, especially if they are slightly off-white or darker in colour.

Rather like you cant deal with the English eh?
The only English people who cant deal with foreigners on an equal basis are the English version of mindless bigots who hold opinions like yours. Who are too thick or too lazy to think for themselves and accept people as they find them.

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In conclusion Laguna there will be the occasional anti-English rant on Boards. Either avoid the threads or live with it, we have had to live with much worse.

Differences of opinion are part of that which makes boards thrive - mindless bigotry of any kind isnt.

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#168 09-10-2005 06:59PM

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. The two most common surnames in the UK are Smith and Patel. AFAIK there are 18 million non-white residents in the UK. That's almost 1 in 3. I can understand why the "native" English feel threatened, but don't expect any sympathy from me.
proof?

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#169 09-10-2005 07:01PM

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He calculated that they were worth more staying neutral, just like Switzerland.

As opposed to Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Norway etc... All neutral, all invaded and occupied.

Actually the main reason they were invaded was they actually had armies be it they were kinda small armies but armies none the same, he couldn't risk them helping the allies, whereas ireland and sweden had basicly no military presence worth bothering about.

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#170 09-10-2005 07:08PM

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Hagar wrote:

. The two most common surnames in the UK are Smith and Patel. AFAIK there are 18 million non-white residents in the UK. That's almost 1 in 3. I can understand why the "native" English feel threatened, but don't expect any sympathy from me.

1) what orrifice did you pull that one from?

2) what makes you think the 'natives' feel threatened?

3) whats your definition of a native?

4) no one wants your sympathy.

all the way through this thread, and many others like it, you appear to just grab little 'factoids' from thin air as proof to something or other.
actually, all you are doing is making things up to back up some idiotic opinion as to why you dislike english people.
and you know what, if you dont like the english, thats ok. but dont go around telling people why the irish should dislike another nation. thats incitment to racism.

ive read your posts, and many other peoples posts,and you just cant seem to understand that some people dont have a problem with the english. if you dont like it, then just read another thread (isnt that what you advised?), but dont think that spouting more rubbish os suddenly going to make people question themselves over something that really isnt that important, except to people that are afraid of change and havent found out that there really is no difference between english, irish, scotish or welsh, except the accent.

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#171 09-10-2005 07:23PM

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I stand corrected by Mike65, the official non-white population of Britain is 7.9% or 4.6 million. Another case of foot-in-mouth diesease. My source was obviously miles off. It is however still a significant figure.

@ Secret Squirrel. Comapred to us Britain is a superpower but to be honest I don't think they could fight and win the Falklands war again on their own. They barely managed it last time, against a nobody country on the world stage.

I can deal with the English but I will only do so on equal terms. Unfortunately they don't see me as their equal and I don't see them as my better.

The "welcome" immigration to Britain after the war was quickly curtailed when the powers that be saw where it was leading. The immigrants indeed welcomed the opportunity to go to Britain and better their lot in life. The welcome they received from the punters whose jobs they were filling was another matter.

I am not a bigot naither am I thick nor lazy. Are you stereotyping me perhaps? Paddy the lazy thick? Please refrain from personal abuse.

@ County, see above my figures were wrong. Sorry. As for the football, it was probably the last you will ever win as English football is dominated by highly skilled foreigners.

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#172 09-10-2005 07:49PM

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@ WWW Erroneous figures already acknowledged.

1. No orifice involved, just bad data.
2. Racial attacks on non-whites in Britain makes me think the natives feel threatened.
3. To me a native is somebody whose race has been indiginous to a location for an un-countable number of generations.
4. It wasn't on offer.

So getting people to question themselves is not relevent to this topic? Sorry I thought the whole idea was that we would all look at ourselves and the way we regard others?
I don't feel I have to vacate any site labelled .ie - I feel it is part of the Irish domain and as such I am the native here not the outsiders.

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#173 09-10-2005 08:07PM

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kstanl wrote:

The assertion that there is widespread, bigotted hatred of the English in Ireland in this day and age is typical of the self-perpetuating, self-hating dichotomy of modern Irish rhetoric. Seriously, just shut up. Anti-English sentiment indeed!

So you have English firends who live here who haven't seen it and I have English friends who have. I asked you and you told me; I believe you - why do you not believe me?
Seriously, as you'd say yourself, why not?

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#174 09-10-2005 09:51PM

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Hagar wrote:

3. To me a native is somebody whose race has been indiginous to a location for an un-countable number of generations.

So, in the case of Britain that would be what exactly ... a) English b) French (Normans) c) Italian (Romans) d) German (Saxons) e) Scandinavian (Vikings) ? None of these invasions happened an "un-countable" number of generations ago. And then add in all kinds of non-violent mini immigrations like the Huguenots which likewise happened well within "countable" time limits.

If you back far enough in time then nobody is a "native" of anywhere, except perhaps the plains of Africa, or wherever mankind originally developed.

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#175 09-10-2005 10:15PM

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Alun wrote:

If you back far enough in time then nobody is a "native" of anywhere, except perhaps the plains of Africa, or wherever mankind originally developed.

We are from here Everywhere else was invaded.

Mike.

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#176 09-10-2005 11:32PM

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Laguna wrote:

I'm getting really sick and tired of coming on to boards to read some @rsehole or another ranting on about

"Why are the english *****?"

"Why do English people pronounce shindizzle like this?"

"Why are English people ignorant of my culture"

As the son of two Irish parents born and bred in the UK, I was called a Paddy up until the age of 17 when I moved here to be called, lo and behold, an English **** as I practically stepped off the boat. I've become so disenchanted with the popular consensus of Irish thought on immigration, government that I can't believe I actually herald from this country, how can so many of you be so small minded?. I'm well aware that there is a lot of people in Ireland and subsequently Boards.ie users that think like me, that are open minded and able to discuss issues on an adult level, I'm also aware that there is a high number of people in Ireland and subsequently members on Boards.ie who will show their primitive intellect by replying to this thread as "**** off back to England" etc. which will only prove my point..

I abhor racism of all kinds, that includes racist inference and the incitement of racial hatred and YES that's what these threads do. What do the posters think they achieve by posting them and subsequently trying to justify them?.

YES, EVERYONE IS AWARE AT THE PAIN AND SUFFERING THE BRITISH EMPIRE CAUSED MANY (YES, MANY. NOT JUST IRELAND, BUT INDIA, ABORIGINAL AUSTRALIANS, EARLY AMERICA, AFRICA ETC.) NATIONS OF THE WORLD BUT YOU HAVE TO GET OVER THIS, IRELAND HAS BEEN IT'S OWN STATE SINCE THE TWENTIES OR HAVE YOU YET TO BE INFORMED.

Yes, some English people in the past have caused heinous crimes and so have Irish people, why don't you start ranting about the Catholic chuch and the condoning of the sanctioned rapes of the children by "Christian" brothers who ruined so many lives, the wonderful Nuns who caused pain and suffering in schools and laundries and workhouses?. Do we not rant about this on here because it's a little close to home?, a little to close to the fact that these people were.......... Irish?

Just drop these insipid thoughts that come into your perverse heads, the ones where you think you're doing a service for Ireland by taking a snipe/moaning/whinging about the English. Welcome to 2005.

Sorry I didnt read past the first post...but I have a few things to point out.

As recently as 20 years ago, you could walk into any shop in London, and as common as a "No Smoking" sign you would ind today, they had "No Dogs, No Irish Allowed" signs on shop doors!! My Aunt tells me this because she was looking for work at the time.

When you think of a holocast...you probably think of Jews in WWII, yet this widely accepted worst crime against human rights, only killed a fraction of the amount the English Tortured/Murderd/Starvd to death over a period of time hundreds of times greater.

I can't believe someone like you who claims Irish roots can say "get over it", when the Brittish sent over their criminals, murders and rapests to Ireland from prison to "keep the order" by basicly killing murdering raping and causing absolute chaos and terror across our country, people used to cover there windows at night with sheets, so the light from there small fires to keep them warm wouldnt show across the field, so a group of black and tans wouldnt burst in and beet the pulp out of them. People used to go to school in ditches becasue of the Brittish.

The Ulster plantations where Brittish citizens were sent into N.I. to dilute the Irish population and make it a Brittish terretory, where the remaining Irish were treated like animals, hunted down, burnt out of their homes in 1969 as recently as 36 years ago, which resulted in the formation of the IRA to protect Irish citizens, and then they took the fight to the Brittish, and all of a sudden Irish are scum, terrorists, when Brittain got such a tiny minute taste of what we have sufferd for over 800 years!!

And yes we haved faced the issues of the Irish church, which is why it is powerless now, in crisis, and has minute parishes compared to 50 years ago, when the church was running the country. So no it's not to close to home, but obviously your complete ignorance of Irish history shows that you are either to stupid and ignorant to research before you come out with statments like you did, or it's to close to home for you!! How dare you!

Would you ask the Jews to forget the holocost and "GET OVER IT"?, would you ask africans, both on the continent and setteled around the wrold, to forget slavery and "GET OVER IT"?

In Summary...If you were beaten to within an inch of your life in school, bullied, harrassed, robbed and humiliated by the same person for your entire 10 years or so in the same school....when you leave school you are finnally independant of this person....but you meet them 10/15/20 years later...does that mean you sould have forgiven them? Does that mean by gones are bygones? Or are there just some things that will never be fogiven untill the day that you die? Because that is a comparrison to what the Britts did to us...I dont buy into this PC bullsh*t about the Britts! I accept we have come a long way, and I am more than happy to vist Brittain, or have them visit us, and I have no problem with them as people, and as far as anglo Irish relations concerned, they are excellent, and there is a excellent Government in place helping resolve the still existing problems from our centuries of oppression.

I like the Brittish government, I like Brittish people, but I will never forget, and you only have to scratch the surface, and there is a raw spot for them, so if you see anti-Britt threads, its becasue they may make an Irish joke, or be disrespectfull in some way, something they have forfitted their right to ever do for their treatment of us, anybody else can make the exact same joke and we will laugh, but not the britts, you have no rights.

So when you're called Brittish scum.....GET OVER IT!! You could be far less well off.

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#177 10-10-2005 12:10AM

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In Summary...If you were beaten to within an inch of your life in school, bullied, harrassed, robbed and humiliated by the same person for your entire 10 years or so in the same school....when you leave school you are finnally independant of this person....but you meet them 10/15/20 years later...does that mean you sould have forgiven them?

Yes you should. You can live your ignorant blinkered life dwelling on events in the past. You can live in hate at another nation with people exactly the same as you if you want. But you will be laughed at for being an idiot by holding people responcible when they had nothing to do with an invasion or occupation.

Do you hate the Vikings? They came over here raping and pillaging every thing they could find. Oh, but maybe thats alright because they didnt do it for long.

I thank God that I do not have a stupid and ignorant attitude like yours.

So in summary. Yes Get over it. But of course your too wraped up in your own little blinkered world of hate to realise that there are a hell of alot worse things in the world then the Brits. I pity you.

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#178 10-10-2005 01:07AM

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Sorry I didnt read past the first post...but I have a few things to point out.

As recently as 20 years ago, you could walk into any shop in London, and as common as a "No Smoking" sign you would ind today, they had "No Dogs, No Irish Allowed" signs on shop doors!! My Aunt tells me this because she was looking for work at the time.

When you think of a holocast...you probably think of Jews in WWII, yet this widely accepted worst crime against human rights, only killed a fraction of the amount the English Tortured/Murderd/Starvd to death over a period of time hundreds of times greater.

I can't believe someone like you who claims Irish roots can say "get over it", when the Brittish sent over their criminals, murders and rapests to Ireland from prison to "keep the order" by basicly killing murdering raping and causing absolute chaos and terror across our country, people used to cover there windows at night with sheets, so the light from there small fires to keep them warm wouldnt show across the field, so a group of black and tans wouldnt burst in and beet the pulp out of them. People used to go to school in ditches becasue of the Brittish.

The Ulster plantations where Brittish citizens were sent into N.I. to dilute the Irish population and make it a Brittish terretory, where the remaining Irish were treated like animals, hunted down, burnt out of their homes in 1969 as recently as 36 years ago, which resulted in the formation of the IRA to protect Irish citizens, and then they took the fight to the Brittish, and all of a sudden Irish are scum, terrorists, when Brittain got such a tiny minute taste of what we have sufferd for over 800 years!!

And yes we haved faced the issues of the Irish church, which is why it is powerless now, in crisis, and has minute parishes compared to 50 years ago, when the church was running the country. So no it's not to close to home, but obviously your complete ignorance of Irish history shows that you are either to stupid and ignorant to research before you come out with statments like you did, or it's to close to home for you!! How dare you!

Would you ask the Jews to forget the holocost and "GET OVER IT"?, would you ask africans, both on the continent and setteled around the wrold, to forget slavery and "GET OVER IT"?

In Summary...If you were beaten to within an inch of your life in school, bullied, harrassed, robbed and humiliated by the same person for your entire 10 years or so in the same school....when you leave school you are finnally independant of this person....but you meet them 10/15/20 years later...does that mean you sould have forgiven them? Does that mean by gones are bygones? Or are there just some things that will never be fogiven untill the day that you die? Because that is a comparrison to what the Britts did to us...I dont buy into this PC bullsh*t about the Britts! I accept we have come a long way, and I am more than happy to vist Brittain, or have them visit us, and I have no problem with them as people, and as far as anglo Irish relations concerned, they are excellent, and there is a excellent Government in place helping resolve the still existing problems from our centuries of oppression.

I like the Brittish government, I like Brittish people, but I will never forget, and you only have to scratch the surface, and there is a raw spot for them, so if you see anti-Britt threads, its becasue they may make an Irish joke, or be disrespectfull in some way, something they have forfitted their right to ever do for their treatment of us, anybody else can make the exact same joke and we will laugh, but not the britts, you have no rights.

So when you're called Brittish scum.....GET OVER IT!! You could be far less well off.

A better man than I said "those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

You can rant about what they done, what we must never forget, however the simple fact is this, we need to look to our future, we've the best chance for peace and maybe at some point reunification, holding onto to some irrational hatred isn't going to build towards a future.

I love Ireland but this irrational hatred exposed only our insecurity, and inability as a culture to move out of englands shadow. Over the past fifteen years we've despite the size and population differance, become wealthier, more successful, and more internationally culturally relevant. This petty bigotry exposes nothing less than some of us' immaturity, and unwilliness to divorce our psychic from what the rest of us have walked away from along time ago.

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#179 10-10-2005 01:24AM

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I hate the general anti-english crap that is in Ireland...

People hate the english yet have no problems wearing english football team shirts and supporting them.. the hypocracy of it all is beyond belief...

The sooner we Irish loose this chip on our shoulders the better. I like alot of Irish have spent alot of time in Britain and have found the english to be friendly and hold no ill will against the Irish.. In fact like most peoples around the world they love the Irish.. Of course there are @ssholes there but there are plenty here too

Never a truer word said especially about the football teams,i also think its important to point out that history is important and people should learn from it, but that is no reason for the aggression towards British people.It is ok to be passionate about ones heritage but blaming presnt british people is sad,blame the governments in the History books. People need to bury the hatchet coz its getting old.

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#180 10-10-2005 04:25AM

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I can't believe someone like you who claims Irish roots can say "get over it", when the Brittish sent over their criminals, murders and rapests to Ireland from prison to "keep the order" by basicly killing murdering raping and causing absolute chaos and terror across our country, people used to cover there windows at night with sheets, so the light from there small fires to keep them warm wouldnt show across the field, so a group of black and tans wouldnt burst in and beet the pulp out of them. People used to go to school in ditches becasue of the Brittish.

Someone who claims Irish roots?, I'm probably more Irish than you are you stupid tosser, Church records in the west or Ireland where my mothers people come from trace my family back to the fourteen hundreds, can you do the same?

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So when you're called Brittish scum.....GET OVER IT!! You could be far less well off.

Why should I get over it?

Was I personally responsible for atrocities?

Am I bona-fide English to begin with?

Do I stand by and take racism on the chin?

Have you gotten over what the English did even though you weren't alive at the time the black and tans were here?

By your ideals, a Nigerian who gets called a N***** should "get over it"?

Who are these English people who ****ed you over personally anyway, give me names. The England of today is a melting pot of nationalities, the English who you so love to hate DON'T EXIST ANYMORE. The "English" who ****ed Ireland over initially in the 1100's were a generation away from being Normans (that's the old northern French for the educationally subnormal racism endorsing "people" on here), start writing some republican songs while there's still time, you've been hating the wrong people for, what's it up to last count?, 700?...800?... 2000 years was it?

Kings and Governments decide to invade other countries, not the populace, do you think the average peasant in 11th century England woke up one morning, had his breakfast and turned to his wife and said "****, I could murder an irishman... get me some clean clothes... my black and tan outfit'll do nicely"

Nationalism in other countries means pride in your country and its people, nationalism in this country means joining in your hatred of the English.

Also, why didn't Ireland get involved in WW2, ****, they could have provided a few bomb experts that's for sure.. but they didn't join did they?, the narrow mindset of "Ah sure", what if England had of fallen to German rule? No those chaps in the Irish government didn't consider that back then.

Don't hate the English for opressing you in the past, hate the fact that your government is being run by Zippo's circus now, English opression of Ireland ended the day of the declaration of the free state, Irish opression started the day after and has continued ever since.. open your eyes

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Laguna wrote:

Someone who claims Irish roots?, I'm probably more Irish than you are you stupid tosser, Church records in the west or Ireland where my mothers people come from trace my family back to the fourteen hundreds, can you do the same?

I probably could, but I couldn't be arsed.

Laguna wrote:

Why should I get over it?

The Irony :rolleyes:

Laguna wrote:

By your ideals, a Nigerian who gets called a N***** should "get over it"?

*sigh* No, that is the exact point I was making about you saying the Irish should "GET OVER IT", I said, does that mean the Jews should GET OVER the holocost? Africans should GET OVER slavery....but thank you for adding to my point.
No, it's part of their history and heritage that will never be forgotten, and we've moved on in life...but having said that, a German making a joke about concentration camps at the national Jewish convention wouldn't go down to well I'd imagine.

Laguna wrote:

Who are these English people who ****ed you over personally anyway, give me names. The England of today is a melting pot of nationalities, the English who you so love to hate DON'T EXIST ANYMORE. The "English" who ****ed Ireland over initially in the 1100's were a generation away from being Normans (that's the old northern French for the educationally subnormal racism endorsing "people" on here), start writing some republican songs while there's still time, you've been hating the wrong people for, what's it up to last count?, 700?...800?... 2000 years was it?

Kings and Governments decide to invade other countries, not the populace, do you think the average peasant in 11th century England woke up one morning, had his breakfast and turned to his wife and said "****, I could murder an irishman... get me some clean clothes... my black and tan outfit'll do nicely"

Well if you'd like to take the time to re-read my post, I believe i said something along the lines of:
"I have absolutely no probelm with English people, I like English people, I like their government, and do do a lot of work to help resolve the issues in N.I. etc. etc. etc. "

And that is true, but my point is that I dont care if our "rebel songs" offend you, I don't care if you dont lke the fact that Irish people still draw reference to the past...becasue by its very defenition that is what culture, History and heritage is. And I am laughing at you, because you are complaining about the hardship in your life, "Im Irish... the English dont like me...Ok now I'm English, So now the Irish dont like me, I prefer the English liking me and the Irish hating me, than the other way around, so i think ill stay English

LOL

I mean its funny you say all Irish are racists....yet when you were "Irish" you said you got bullied by the English!! You're a Paddy! etc.

And this problem bothers you so much, you're getting angry at the Irish remembering a 800 year old history, becasue it's inconvienient for you, so you tell US to GET OVER IT??? YOU GET OVER IT!! haha....that is what my post was about.

Laguna wrote:

Nationalism in other countries means pride in your country and its people, nationalism in this country means joining in your hatred of the English.

Well....it's more about the continuning fight to free our country from the occupation of a foregin army, and reunification of our nation....but I suppose their is an element of that too.

But don't forget, our pain may have happend very long ago 1100's etc., but it streched all the way to recent times, as recently as Maggie Thatcher, so you'll forgive us if our 800 year old wounds are still a little fresh.

Laguna wrote:

Also, why didn't Ireland get involved in WW2, ****, they could have provided a few bomb experts that's for sure.. but they didn't join did they?, the narrow mindset of "Ah sure", what if England had of fallen to German rule? No those chaps in the Irish government didn't consider that back then.

Well there was the small matter of recovering from civil war, not having an army, being left with no money, and having enough problems to deal with at home, all of which were caused by....you guessed it...Brittain. But for your information, we did fight in world war 2 through the Brittish army, they had plenty of Irish regiments consisting of men and women from North and south of the border. We are hardly equiped to fight Hitler when we had just finished with the Britts. Anyway, I doubt we would have treated German occuapation any different to how we treated Brittish occupation.

Laguna wrote:

Don't hate the English for opressing you in the past, hate the fact that your government is being run by Zippo's circus now, English opression of Ireland ended the day of the declaration of the free state, Irish opression started the day after and has continued ever since.. open your eyes

I think your posts have proven your absolute ignorance on the entire subject matter, down to the most baisc points. Maybe you should open your eyes .:rolleyes:

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