Why do I find an anti-English thread on after hours on a weekly basis?

nlgbbbblth · 09-10-2005 01:00PM

netwhizkid wrote:

Absolutely not, I never condone Terrorism. Irish people could have been killed in that attack, If Al Qaeda want to make a point why don't they do so peacefully and democratically as the IRA and Sinn Fein have chosen to do so.

The IRA haven't always been so peace or democratic....

nlgbbbblth · 09-10-2005 01:18PM

daveirl wrote:

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I know a few Celtic-supporting, England-hating, Sun-reading pr*cks who cheered for England against NI because of the Neil Lennon incidents. They were at pains to point out that this was a strictly exceptional deviation from their narrow norm. The fact that Martin O'Neill, Pat Jennings and Gerry Armstrong were not shouting for England was lost on them.

One thing I noticed about Northern Ireland fans was the complete lack of Rangers shirts at the games. Unlike a section of our support where we have confused idiots clad in Celtic gear when Ireland are playing. What sort of an c*nt wears the jersey of a foreign club to an international game involving his own country?

As for the booing of Hartson and Clarke, we boo Rangers/ex-Rangers/and players who look like they played for Rangers so we can hardly hold the moral high ground.

the_syco · 09-10-2005 01:33PM

nlgbbbblth wrote:

The IRA haven't always been so peace or democratic....

WTF? The IRA are peaceful & democratic? When did this happen?

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There are 4 countries that mainly speak English. Ireland, US, UK, and Oz. As Oz is seen as been populated by the Irish, it doesn't get slagged for their funny accents. Likewise with the US (although people complain about the US for alot of other things), so that leaves Ireland and the UK. As Scotland and Wales are seen as "celtic" they don't get slagged that much. This leaves the people up the north and English people. So they slag the English people.

And when they slag the English people, they do it as if its they're god-given right. If you go against them, you must be

english
foreign
"my grandad fought/gt killed by the brits, I have reason to hate the english"
its anti-repulican to not hate the english

So they go on and on about it. True, I hate the (past) English, the Monachry, and the English judicial system (RUC, etc), but I don't care about the present English.

As the arguement about them being English is as old as the hills, they need something to give out about, something that they know people will laugh at, so they pick at the quirks.

Some threads about the english language aren't driven by haterd, but just by a question, but in about 2 or 3 pages, it will boil down to some ass giving out about how the english are bad.

Lemlin · 09-10-2005 01:45PM

Originally posted by netwhizkid
A United Ireland would really help to heal the rift. (we still have a reason to hate them remember)

The only thing a United Ireland would help is to cripple our economy. We'd also have to look after the Unionists that are killing each other then. Let the English government worry about them.

And you, have no reason to hate them. Your grandparents did. Has an English person every done anything to you directly? Go and read some history books.

While the English commited atrocities, the Irish did too. Although the English did do it on a far greater level. I will always respect the work of my ancestors but I will laugh at hypocritical fools who claim to hate England and talk about 800 years when they don't even know what they're talking about.

Dave! · 09-10-2005 01:49PM

Lemlin wrote:

And you, have no reason to hate them. Your grandparents did. Has an English person every done anything to you directly? Go and read some history books.

hmmm... if grandad got killed by the British, should we forget it too? Sure it wasn't directly aimed at me!

PhoenixRising · 09-10-2005 02:00PM

A smarter man than me once said:

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."

Albert Einstein (1879-1955)

Some of the anti-English drivel on this thread makes me sick. Grow up and stop demonstrating just how ignorant you are. I find the vast majority of English to be friendly and decent people. We have a hell of a lot more in common with England and the English than we do with our continental neighbours.

In my own experience this anti-English trait amongst Irish people seems to be diminishing thankfully as people are more educated and more well-travelled.

mike65 · 09-10-2005 02:00PM

hmmm... if grandad got killed by the British, should we forget it too? Sure it wasn't directly aimed at me!

On that basis your might have issues with the Normans and Danes, they may have killed one of your antecedents.

I should realy hate the Germans on that basis too, funnily enough I don't.

Mike.

Keyzer · 09-10-2005 02:02PM

Its not just Ireland.
I worked with a lad from Scotland who was staunchly anti-english, anti-protestant and anti-tory party. He was 24 at the time. His level of hatred for english people was shocking.

But dig this, as I got to know him a little better I found out that his mother and fiancee are both protestants, he was born in England and raised in Germany until he was 12 and his father was in the British Army for 25 years and did 2 tours of Northern Ireland. I couldn't believe the nonsense that he was talking about after finding out about his family. He eventually left Ireland and moved to the UK, after landing a nice job, but whenever I argued with him that he was a hypocrite he just brushed it off.

When I met his father I realised where all his racist views and bigotry came from, I mean listening to the father was like listening to the son.

In some, not all, these views of English people are pumped into young kids from a very early age so you can't really blame them, in essence, they never had a chance anyway. The really sad part of all this is when people develop these views themselves.

R0ot · 09-10-2005 02:08PM

/me wonders why the irish have 'issues' with the English....... maybe because of 300+ years of occupation (which really still hasn't ended) Now im not saying i hate the english because i have a good few mates that are english but its going to be a fact of life that the irish will always hate the english.

Lemlin · 09-10-2005 02:15PM

hmmm... if grandad got killed by the British, should we forget it too? Sure it wasn't directly aimed at me!

And was your grandad killed by the English? Chances are he could of just as easily been killed by an Irish person in the Civil War. Would that make you hate Irish people?

And btw, the person that you stop in the street and call an "English ****", are they the same person who killed your grandfather?

Like I said, atrocities were commited on both sites. Just go and read about Scullabogue in 1798, where Irish soldiers trapped English women and children in a barn and burned them to death.

The fact is that I admit some people will have reason for ill feeling towards the English. I do myself after all the atrocities that I've read about like The Penal Laws and the execution of the 1916 Rebellion leaders.

That wouldn't make me walk up to someone in the street and verbally abuse them because they had an English accent though.

Dave! · 09-10-2005 02:20PM

Lemlin wrote:

The fact is that I admit some people will have reason for ill feeling towards the English. I do myself after all the atrocities that I've read about like The Penal Laws and the execution of the 1916 Rebellion leaders.

That wouldn't make me walk up to someone in the street and verbally abuse them because they had an English accent though.

Yep, that's me too.

ninebeanrows · 09-10-2005 02:34PM

I dont hate the English/British..

But it was born into me and hope it is born into every Irish man and woman..

That the English did do many terrible things and our ancestors fought
for our freedom against these people..

I dont hate the English but i will always have that chip born into my
shoulder which urges me not to like them..

And there are a larger portion of English Prats than Irish prats IMHO

fly_agaric · 09-10-2005 02:43PM

Laguna wrote:

The "Why can't the English pronounce Doherty" thread.

I'd agree with you that the casual (and not so casual) anti-English sentiment that people come out with at times is revolting.

The trouble on that pretty stupid thread really kicked off when someone with the handle "englander" started into Irish (mis)pronunciations of common English words (very fair given the thread) and then went on to say that if we chose to abandon our own language we should at least get the one we adopted right (somewhat offensive distortion of some unpleasant historical facts).

Would you dare tell a bunch of say, Congolese, that they were butchering French and they could at least speak it correctly if they chose to use it as their language. :rolleyes: Eh, no, I don't think so.

There is no excuse for letting the past rule the present and allowing it to colour our judgement of people today - (look at NI for a good example of using history to keep the flame of hatred alive). There is no excuse for trying to airbrush out the nastier bits of the past and pretend it all didn't happen either. That's something that gets people's goat at times.

Nesf wrote:

Mainly it's people making lovely sweeping statements about our history without knowing **** all about it that bugs me.

Exactly.

Infini · 09-10-2005 02:51PM

Laguna wrote:

The way the Irish government has lobbied the release of the IRA men in colombia is a clear a sign as any that this government fully endorses the IRA brand of terrorism.

You probably overlooked the fact yhat Columbia is a corrupt cesspool and you cant believe anything outta there.... :rolleyes:

Lemlin · 09-10-2005 02:53PM

And there are a larger portion of English Prats than Irish prats IMHO

Mine too, but then they have a population of about 56 million while we have 4.

Civilian_Target · 09-10-2005 03:25PM

Oh the narrowmindedness in this thread is amazing!

Nothing wrong with the English, they've done an awful lot of great things for us in the last 80 years. For a start, would you rather be speaking German...

kstanl · 09-10-2005 03:30PM

nlgbbbblth wrote:

My neighbour's father died last weekend. He lived in Newcastle all his life. I presume you're delighted that there's one less English person alive. I'll be sure to pass on your 'ill-will' to his family. :rolleyes:

Seriously... what the HELL are you talking about? I think you're a bit confused. Or drunk. Go back and read my post properly.

Hagar · 09-10-2005 03:37PM

Civilian_Target wrote:

For a start, would you rather be speaking German...

Is fearr liom Gaelige a labhairt...

kstanl · 09-10-2005 03:44PM

Hydroquinone wrote:

You're the one that needs to cop on. Of course there's ill will in Ireland against English people. Do you know any English people who live here? If you do, ask them. If you don't, well; you're hardly going to believe what some randomer on the internet says.

Yeah, well as it happens I do. I know quite a few English people living here. None of them agree with your bizarre assertions. I think one of them was told to 'go back to your own country' once by some drunken scumbag on O'Connell Street one night but, well, he was a scumbag. If my mate was black instead of English, you can be sure the knacker would have called him a n**ger instead. That's what scumbags do.

Hydroquinone wrote:

The only person who could believe that here was no ill will in this country against the English is a person who feells no ill will himself towards the English and has the old rose tinted glasses on or thinks that all us Irish people are lovely and we live in the land of the Cead Mile Failte. We don't.

Apart from a few pig-ignorant hicks or skangers, there IS virtually no ill-will against the English. Sure plenty of people will resort to the 'auld-enemy' mentality and will support any football team playing against England or who will take the mickey out of the Queen, but genuine anti-English, bigotted sentiment doesn't really exist anymore. In the south anyway. It's a fact. Sorry.

Hydroquinone wrote:

If you are the kind of Irish person who doesn't hate the English, you won't see it, because you'll think everyone is as sensible as you and is living in the present, rather than the past. Yes, bad things were done in the past. No, I have no wish to suggest that anyone whose family went through it at the hands of the Black and Tans or whoever should just forget it. But unless you come face to face with David Loyd George (who is of course dead and was a Welshman, fer gawd's sake) the individual English people you meet had nothing to do with that.
If you are an Irish person who hates the English, you will know there's ill will against the English and see nothing wrong withit, because "Sure everyone hates them"

Yeah... there may be plenty of people like this in their 80's and 90's or up-North. So what? They don't represent or define the general consensus.

Hydroquinone wrote:

If you are an English person in Ireland, you'll know there's ill will because you will have had it directed at you. I know a fair few English peope who live here and I've seen it with my own eyes, while I've been in their company.

That's strange because I have not just a few but DOZENS of English friends living in Ireland. They all chose to come here, they all love it here. They love the life, they love the people and apart from one incident that I heard of, nobody has ever said anything anti-English towards them. The one incident was the one I referred to earlier where some dirtbag junkie lowlife screamed abuse at us and told my mate to go home to England. Big deal. He was a scumbag. Hardly representative of the rest of us.

The assertion that there is widespread, bigotted hatred of the English in Ireland in this day and age is typical of the self-perpetuating, self-hating dichotomy of modern Irish rhetoric. Seriously, just shut up. Anti-English sentiment indeed!

nlgbbbblth · 09-10-2005 04:07PM

kstanl wrote:

Seriously... what the HELL are you talking about? I think you're a bit confused. Or drunk. Go back and read my post properly.

It seems I misinterpreted your comment. Apologies for that.

Lemlin · 09-10-2005 04:11PM

Nothing wrong with the English, they've done an awful lot of great things for us in the last 80 years. For a start, would you rather be speaking German...

I think its been widely accepted that the Americans are the reason we're not speaking German, not the English.

kano476 · 09-10-2005 04:19PM

The anti -english feeling in this country harboured by some people will be around for a long time, nothing can be done about that. F*ck it we have our freedom, we live in a wealthy country so stop going on about the english.

Be happy your not from sudan.

robinph · 09-10-2005 04:27PM

Lemlin wrote:

I think its been widely accepted that the Americans are the reason we're not speaking German, not the English.

The Americans are the reason that the UK was not next to the USSR after the war instead of France, and the British/ English are the reason that Ireland was not invaded by Germany during the war before the US pulled their fingers out.

Lemlin · 09-10-2005 04:34PM

The Americans are the reason that the UK was not next to the USSR after the war instead of France, and the British/ English are the reason that Ireland was not invaded by Germany during the war before the US pulled their fingers out.

In all fairness, have you heard of "Operation Green"? Hitler reckoned he could of taken Ireland over in 3 hours or less. He wasn't bothered coming near Ireland though. What could we offer him?

A base for his submarines and ships? He'd have to get them past English waters first. A place for his planes to land? They could barely reach England as it was.

That's for a whole different debate but the English did absolutely nothing for us during the war. We, on the otehr hand, helped the Allies greatly.

For example, Allied soldiers were regularly allowed slip over the board and there was an Allied intelligence base in the Grand Hotel in Malahide.

arbeitsscheuer · 09-10-2005 04:37PM

robinph wrote:

The Americans are the reason that the UK was not next to the USSR after the war instead of France, and the British/ English are the reason that Ireland was not invaded by Germany during the war before the US pulled their fingers out.

Well.... Literally-speaking, that strip of water called the English Channel is the reason why Ireland was not invaded by Germany - but I take your point!

In any case, why are so few ppl proud of the (many) Irish soldiers, pilots, seamen etc, who fought in that conflict? I find it odd tbh.

R0ot · 09-10-2005 04:40PM

robinph wrote:

the British/ English are the reason that Ireland was not invaded by Germany during the war before the US pulled their fingers out.

Thats the biggest pile of **** ive ever read. Thats like saying Sweden wasn't invaded because its a little far for the germans to travel! We wouldn't have been invaded due to Neutrality just like sweden. Sweden in WWII

Lemlin · 09-10-2005 04:43PM

I don't agree with what he said but Hitler didn't have much time for neutrality. He invaded plenty of neutral nations. He just wasn't interested in Ireland.

R0ot · 09-10-2005 04:44PM

Lemlin wrote:

I don't agree with what he said but Hitler didn't have much time for neutrality. He invaded plenty of neutral nations. He just wasn't interested in Ireland.

Why wasn't he interested in Sweden then? I mean they had plenty of resources that would have helped in the War.

arbeitsscheuer · 09-10-2005 04:48PM

R0ot wrote:

Why wasn't he interested in Sweden then? I mean they had plenty of resources that would have helped in the War.

He calculated that they were worth more staying neutral, just like Switzerland.

As opposed to Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Norway etc... All neutral, all invaded and occupied.

RuggieBear · 09-10-2005 04:48PM

R0ot wrote:

Why wasn't he interested in Sweden then? I mean they had plenty of resources that would have helped in the War.

Sweden helped the axis in the same way we helped the allies. Swedish iron was used to produce many a tank

Why do I find an anti-English thread on after hours on a weekly basis?

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