Why do I find an anti-English thread on after hours on a weekly basis?

deisedevil · 08-10-2005 05:28PM

I can't stand people who have a hatred of the current English generation for what their previous generations have done. Most English haven't a clue what happened in Ireland and more don't even know that England ever ruled Ireland. So how can you hate someone who hasn't committed any offence against you or your people, how can you hate tham for something they don't know anything about and how can you hate them for something they have never heard of!
I do have a deep hatred of what was done in this country and the attrocities that occured. There is nothing wrong with that, i have a right to be annoyed and disgusted at how members of my family were treated. My grandfather was in the IRA from the age 15, his childhood was taken from him. He spent time in waterford prison, one night the black and tans raided his parents house and he happened to be home (they were constantly raiding his house and destroying it when they realised he wasn't home) They pushed his father up the stairs ahead of him, my gf didn't realise this and took a shot at them in the dark and just missed his own father! That night he and more of his brigade were badly beaten outside their parish church. That's just one incident, there are many more i know of which happened to members of my family and there are thousands of others the like of this and more even worse which occured all over the country like what happened to Tom Hales and Harte. Both men were lifted by the auxies and badly tortured for weeks, their figer nails ripped out and their hair ripped out etc. Harte went insane from the torture and died two weeks later, Hales was transferred to a prison in England for a number of years and never got over the abuse he suffered. Look at the soldiers who have tortured and abused Iraqi soldiers, there was outrage over it, and these men that were tortured are men who worked for a cruel dictator!
I think OP should realise that there are idiots in every country who hate for no reason or the wrong reasons.

Mr. Presentable · 08-10-2005 05:35PM

panda100 wrote:

spannerhead wrote:

If that is not a qualification for being English, what is?[/QU
What?just cos i was born in a country doesnt make me english!your nationality doesent have to do with where your living or where your born-i can garuntee there are 2nd generation irish living in new york,sydney,london all over the world who would disagree with that. But i think any type of nationalism and too much pride in ones country is a bad thing cos at the end of the day its only a piece of land and without it there would be a lot less wars etc.I mean if someone tommorow said to you to go out and fight for your country what exactly would you be fighting for

Don't get me wrong Panda, I'm not having a go, and you are right about nationalism (or many other isms) being perverted into reasons for conflict. If I had to go out and fight for my country it would not be for the land per se, but for it's people's spirit, freedom or identity. But if people born in France are not therefore French, where do all the French people come from?

Scarinae · 08-10-2005 05:37PM

Lemlin wrote:

Well, for a start, you'd be fighting for your rights. That's what Irish people spent 800 years fighting for. The right to govern themselves and be treated as equals. At one stage, Irish people weren't even allowed attend school.

Yes, at one stage. But we are not ruled by England now, so we can't use that as a reason for anti-British sentiment, which is what this thread is actually about

Lemlin · 08-10-2005 05:41PM

Yes, at one stage. But we are not ruled by England now, so we can't use that as a reason for anti-British sentiment, which is what this thread is actually about

Yes, but the poster before me had asked what would I think if I were asked to go out and fight for my country. My example is of what Irish people fought for and what I would fight for: rights. Be it the right to an education or any other right.

Mr. Presentable · 08-10-2005 05:42PM

Fishie wrote:

Yes, at one stage. But we are not ruled by England now, so we can't use that as a reason for anti-British sentiment, which is what this thread is actually about

Actually, part of Ireland *is* being ruled by England/Britain now........Just because it's been that way for years doesn't mean it's not the truth

Dinner · 08-10-2005 06:42PM

Lemlin 2 pages ago wrote:

To answer the OP: 700 years.

Lemlin wrote:

That's what Irish people spent 800 years fighting for.

I love how the length of oppression gets longer as a thread grows. :rolleyes:

Anyway, I agree with the OP. I despise this anti English sentiment that seems to becoming more noticable as of late. I hate this attitude of the small narrow minded individuals, who at the drop of a hat will scream "7-800 years, I'm not quite sure but it'll do" and sure enough their grandad probably faught in the GPO back in 1916 too.

Now is not the 19th century, it is not 1916 or even during the troubles. Now is 2005 it is time to pull the head from the aul arse and see the amount of sh*t thats been spewing from it for the past while.

As much as some people might want to make it so, the English are not our enemy, far from it.

Of course this is just my opinion, and I am very interested to see how many other differant years are mentioned in referance to the "occupation".

jrey1981 · 08-10-2005 07:43PM

Baz_ wrote:

, in terms of our culture they can be as ignorant as they please, sure they're almost Americans as it is.

And of course Ireland has resisted all American culture and inward investment...

Hang on. Actually, no you havent.

The ugly truth is that give or take a few unique qualities such as scenery and some of the cultural elements, Ireland is slowly becoming a country of everytowns, everywheres in terms of globalisation and urban- or suburbanisation.

That so many countries are largely powerless to carve out alternatives to that model is perhaps a matter to direct your attentions to, rather than carrying on whingeing about the past.

Pigman II · 08-10-2005 08:08PM

I've done extensive research in this area and the only conclusion I can come to is it is because most Irish people are cúnts.

Guy:Incognito · 08-10-2005 08:28PM

I read the first page and am going to assume the second page is similar tripe. Right people, the english oppressed us for 700 years, woop dee do. If we were a bigger country we would have been off rapeing and pillaging ourselves. Its not really relevant whether the oppresion/general bad crap stopped 2 or 10 generations ago, its the past, get over it. Tony blair and the last 10 or so prime ministers havnt invaded us, its time to move on.

The sooner people realise that we are as similar as two separate countries can be the better. I was in Liverpool at the weekend and you'll never gues what: I wasnt attacked or oppressed once. The was no two headed monsterwalking around hunting out Irish to kill. I may as well have been walking around dublin. We all look the same and bar the accent you'd have no way of telling an Irish person and an english person appart.

As stated above , people ave no problem supporting English teams and buying from english shops when it suites them. At this stage most people are clinging to this anti-English thing in a vain attempt to let people think you give a **** about this country. Most of you have had a rant on the rip off Ireland board or had a moan about the government on the politics board. Why dont you all head off and join Sinn fein so you can have a nice march and get drunk and talk about the good old days of bombing the english during the troubles.

netwhizkid · 08-10-2005 08:29PM

The Original poster asked why are we anti-english, umm, i wonder would Northern Ireland have anything to do with this or the fact that we have have been fighting our oppressors for over a thousand years. We beat the Danes in 1014 under Brian Boru and if i know anything we will have the British beat out by 2014 exactly 1,000 yrs on.

Fishie wrote:

Yes, at one stage. But we are not ruled by England now, so we can't use that as a reason for anti-British sentiment,

Have you ever heard of a place called Northern Ireland? and the fact that Irish people are subjected to the rule of a foreign hand.

Basically how stupid could anyone be to think we as a Nation could just forget our past and move on. I guarantee if the Human Race still exists in 1000yrs time Irish people will still remember the struggle.

Guy:Incognito · 08-10-2005 08:35PM

netwhizkid wrote:

Have you ever heard of a place called Northern Ireland? and the fact that Irish people are subjected to the rule of a foreign hand.

Have you heard of democratic voting and the fact that a (slight at this stage) majority up there actually want it that way.

You can bet your ass the government down here want it that way. I'm sure the british would love to give us back the north, its basically a drain on their economy and is a money pit, not to mention the sectarian ****e that goes on. People in western Germany resent the people from the east since re-unification becaus etheir economy has slowed dramatically, and we'd be the same. Britain is a much larger economy than ours and can support the north, it would be a massive drain on us. I'm not anti-northern people, I just think the situation isbetter left as-is.

Oh and by the way, it was long before your parents, never mind you, we ever thought about , so get over it. Again, tony blair and everyone currenlty in englandhad nothing to do with the situation up north, so what has it got to do with them?

netwhizkid wrote:

Basically how stupid could anyone be to think we as a Nation could just forget our past and move on. I guarantee if the Human Race still exists in 1000yrs time Irish people will still remember the struggle.

Do you not think that thats the problem? Who is it helping?

why is there not the same resentment of scandanavians? They did their fair share of raping and pillaging here aswell you know.

Do you know any Jewish people? do they constantly go on and on about Germans being horrible racist wnakers?
Or do they realise that the Germany is not run by Hitler anymore?

nlgbbbblth · 08-10-2005 08:42PM

A lot of Irish people practice 'negative nationalism' - i.e. they hate England more than they love Ireland.

Some of them would prefer to see England lose a sporting fixture than Ireland win one.

I have no problem with people hating England and the English providing they are consistent about it.

Anyone who
a) Watches English television
b) Supports an English football team
c) Listens to English music
d) Reads an English newspaper

automatically becomes a hypocrite as soon as they open their mouth and bleats about English oppression.

In Ireland, we support English soccer clubs, frequently instead of our own local teams. We cheer Rooney, Ferdinand, Campbell etc when they play for their clubs but as soon as they turn out for England you will see a sizeable majority of us shouting abuse and rooting for the opposition team (no matter who they are)

Nothing new there then.

One of the reasons people offer for this hypocritical stance is the "English tabloid media" and their "arrogant hyping up of England's chances".

Fair enough - the Sun and the Mirror are particularly bad offenders in this regard.

Therefore my question is - why the hell do so many Irish people buy these tabloids? Ignore the Oirish labelling on the masthead [it's meaningless].
And you'll notice that it the people who buy those tabloids tend to be the same people who hate the English team.

I hate England. I'd never shout for them - their papers are full of themselves and if they won we'd never hear the end of it.

Well, if you persist in buying a paper in which extols the virtues/chances of a team you "hate" well it's no surprise that you'll keeping hearing about it. :rolleyes:

Supporting an English football team and hating the England team is the same as supporting Nazism but hating Hitler. :rolleyes:

True story: A friend of mine runs a pub in Limerick. He says that there are a number of stereotypical England-haters who frequent the place. You know the score - Celtic shirt, Real IRA tattoo, The OIRISH Sun under their arm. Two of them bought Argentina shirts and wore them when England were playing.

Anyway they came into the pub on the day of the London bombings and my friend pointed to the TV and shouted 'I'd say you guys must be delighted'.
The pair of hypocrites squirmed, muttered something about innocent civilians and walked out. They haven't been in since.

F**king lightweights.

Pepe LeFrits · 08-10-2005 08:46PM

netwhizkid wrote:

The Original poster asked why are we anti-english, umm, i wonder would Northern Ireland have anything to do with this or the fact that we have have been fighting our oppressors for over a thousand years. We beat the Danes in 1014 under Brian Boru and if i know anything we will have the British beat out by 2014 exactly 1,000 yrs on.

Have you ever heard of a place called Northern Ireland? and the fact that Irish people are subjected to the rule of a foreign hand.

Basically how stupid could anyone be to think we as a Nation could just forget our past and move on. I guarantee if the Human Race still exists in 1000yrs time Irish people will still remember the struggle.

lol every post by this guy is pure comedy gold!

Would anyone like a piece of fruitcake?

Laguna · 08-10-2005 08:55PM

netwhizkid wrote:

Have you ever heard of a place called Northern Ireland? and the fact that Irish people are subjected to the rule of a foreign hand.

Do you honestly think the Republican government would welcome Northen Ireland back into its bosom and suffer the wrath of the orangemen loyalists who would start their own bombing campaign if they were seeded back into Ireland?. Do you think the current government in the UK (yes the current, not Oliver Cromwell) wants Northen Ireland?, what purpose does it serve the UK to have to station troops in the place to stop two sets of mad bastards killing each other on a weekly basis, the fact of the matter being most of the people you see causing the **** are 17year old scumbags who've nothing better to do than practice delinquency. Join the IRA if you feel so strongly about it then Netwhizkid, you and all the other people on here who feel the need to "Beat out" the British who don't want to even be here.

Laguna · 08-10-2005 09:00PM

And to the people on here saying how the Sun/The Mirror are ignorant/racist/nationalist. Well, duh, it's a TABLOID read by THICK ****S who like to read comics instead of the news. Who really takes stead in a paper who prints stories about Jordan scratching her tits on the front page and has a small column on page 12 (if at all) about something such as a military coup in South America. Besides, who's the parent company of these newspapers?.... Rupert Murdoch's news corporation, arguably the most right wing, racist and opressive corporation in existence today... hate to break it to you all now, but the man is an Australian (a non-Oliver-Cromwell-ite)

nlgbbbblth · 08-10-2005 09:00PM

Laguna wrote:

the fact of the matter being most of the people you see causing the **** are 17year old scumbags who've nothing better to do than practice delinquency.

good point which I was wondering about
I have friends who live in a relatively posh part of Belfast and they never have any trouble. Catholics and Protestant neighbours mix well and there are very few, if any, flags or murals.

Would that be the norm?
The impression we get from the media is that most of the strife is in the poorer areas. Why is that?

nlgbbbblth · 08-10-2005 09:03PM

Tabloids are written by c*nts and read by c*nts.

Anyone who tries to convince you that they 'read it for the sports coverage' is a loser.

Laguna · 08-10-2005 09:04PM

You talk of Britain as if it's the only nation to opress you. Would you like to look into the fact of the matter that is that Irish immigrants to America for the last four hundred years were treated like DIRT. The Miller beer company, which so proudly advertises itself on RTE, had a well known recruitment policy in the thirties, "No blacks nor Irish need apply"... does that sting? (shhh now, brush that one under the carpet)

So many Irish American lobbyist groups exist in todays America simply because they were ostracised by the rest of the American community. Now if that isn't ****ing opression, tell me otherwise!

Lemlin · 08-10-2005 09:07PM

love how the length of oppression gets longer as a thread grows.

Anyway, I agree with the OP. I despise this anti English sentiment that seems to becoming more noticable as of late. I hate this attitude of the small narrow minded individuals, who at the drop of a hat will scream "7-800 years, I'm not quite sure but it'll do" and sure enough their grandad probably faught in the GPO back in 1916 too.

Now is not the 19th century, it is not 1916 or even during the troubles. Now is 2005 it is time to pull the head from the aul arse and see the amount of sh*t thats been spewing from it for the past while.

As much as some people might want to make it so, the English are not our enemy, far from it.

Of course this is just my opinion, and I am very interested to see how many other differant years are mentioned in referance to the "occupation".

Well, if you'd like a definite figure, 1171 was the year that King Henry crossed the Irish Sea. Ireland declared itself a Republic in 1949. That's 778 years so I guess 800 would be the best estimate.

Like I said above though, I agree with those above who say we should want nothing to do with Northern Ireland. Our economy is booming and it'd only be a drain on our resources. And all the sectarian crap is getting old now. Sure the IRA have decommissioned to leave the Unionists to kill each other.

I am deeply patriotic and I'm not one of those people who follow an English soccer team like my life depends on it. Yes, I do watch English soccer and support Blackburn. But I also watch Spanish soccer, Italian soccer, Scottish soccer. My favourite sport though is Gaelic football, and the one jersey you'll regularly see me in is my Kingspan Cavan one.

And yes, I do shop in English stores. But you can hardly avoid that? For god's sake, Guinness is even owned by an English company now. I doubt you get English people refusing to use Ryanair, no matter how much they may hate Ireland. I would try to support Irish home grown industry as best as I can.

As for Netwhizkid, I asked for him to be banned ages ago when he made derogatory comments about a well-known GAA player who sadly passed away. Why he wasn't banned remains a mystery to me.

nlgbbbblth · 08-10-2005 09:09PM

Don't forget the Liverpool + Rangers connection dudes.

Have seen many of those combined scarves on the terraces and on the streets of Belfast.

A fact conveniently glossed over by English-hating, Liverpool-supporting Irish pr*cks.

ejmaztec · 08-10-2005 09:11PM

I think that I should point out that Irish people were not the only ones trampled under foot by the English ruling classes in the “British Isles”. Equal treatment was meted out on the Scots, the Welsh and also the English non-ruling classes themselves. All, at some time or other, were treated worse than dogs. All of these places had landlords owning huge tracts of land where the “peasants”, their children included, were cheap labour, half-starved, to be evicted when they served their purpose. Some of them found work in mines and factories, only to be treated even worse than they were before. It was only when the Welfare State emerged after WW2 that things for Joe Public started to look up. If the history teachers in Irish schools told their pupils something other than what the English “bastards” did to their ancestors, we might all have a better understanding of the truth. My parents left Ireland for England years ago, as did many others. They left because this hallowed land couldn’t support them, thanks to incompetence and greed of the dick-heads who ended up running the place after the Brits took off.

regi · 08-10-2005 09:11PM

As for Netwhizkid, I asked for him to be banned ages ago when he made derogatory comments about a well-known GAA player who sadly passed away. Why he wasn't banned remains a mystery to me.

Mystery to me too. Then again, if we banned him, we would need to advertise for a new village idiot.

Laguna · 08-10-2005 09:14PM

ejmaztec wrote:

I think that I should point out that Irish people were not the only ones trampled under foot by the English ruling classes in the “British Isles”. Equal treatment was meted out on the Scots, the Welsh and also the English non-ruling classes themselves. All, at some time or other, were treated worse than dogs. All of these places had landlords owning huge tracts of land where the “peasants”, their children included, were cheap labour, half-starved, to be evicted when they served their purpose. Some of them found work in mines and factories, only to be treated even worse than they were before. It was only when the Welfare State emerged after WW2 that things for Joe Public started to look up. If the history teachers in Irish schools told their pupils something other than what the English “bastards” did to their ancestors, we might all have a better understanding of the truth. My parents left Ireland for England years ago, as did many others. They left because this hallowed land couldn’t support them, thanks to incompetence and greed of the dick-heads who ended up running the place after the Brits took off.

This man tells it like it is. The fact is, the English establishment up until after WW2, treated their own people abominably, if any reference to English history other than the occupation was actually taught in Irish schools then some of you may feel a little more enlightened, Buddha style. Look at how the English catholics were treated in the 16th century in England... oh you didn't know about that, you weren't indoctrin....ahem.. taught

netwhizkid · 08-10-2005 09:19PM

Lemlin wrote:

As for Netwhizkid, I asked for him to be banned ages ago when he made derogatory comments about a well-known GAA player who sadly passed away. Why he wasn't banned remains a mystery to me.

I did not make derogatory comments, i asked a question in that particular post, the fact was that post was misinterpreted due to other things in the same post.

Laguna wrote:

Join the IRA if you feel so strongly about it then Netwhizkid, you and all the other people on here who feel the need to "Beat out" the British who don't want to even be here.

Is this guy condoning Terrorism? Once again more misinterpretation, We don't need to beat out anyone out of this country, The Democratic process will prevail and an United Ireland will be achieved peacefully without the need to beat out anyone or through any other methods.

Laguna · 08-10-2005 09:22PM

netwhizkid wrote:

We beat the Danes in 1014 under Brian Boru and if i know anything we will have the British beat out by 2014 exactly 1,000 yrs on.

Hmmm..

netwhizkid wrote:

The Democratic process will prevail and an United Ireland will be achieved peacefully without the need to beat out anyone or through any other methods.

Make up your mind son. When did I condone terrorism?, you're the flag waving IRA youth by your comments

netwhizkid · 08-10-2005 09:30PM

Laguna wrote:

Make up your mind son. When did I condone terrorism?, you're the flag waving IRA youth by your comments

You made the remark that i should join a criminal and terrorist organisation. You now accuse me of being a flag waving IRA youth, I said i hope that the British will be out of here by 2014, The IRA have disarmed and the democratic process will move forward and hopefully the Northern assembly will be re-established and devolution be brought back to the north so the people of Northern Ireland can run themselves and should a majority of them wish to join the Republic of Ireland so be it. The only obstacle to this seems to be the Rev. Ian Paisley demanding a silly photo. If thousands of Photos were provided he be demanding an MP3 recording of the decommisioning. He will never give in and remember "Ulster is not for sale"

Lemlin · 08-10-2005 09:38PM

And what do you want the six counties for? So we can have a region that will do nothing more but drain resources from our eceonomy. A region that finds it hugely hard to attract foreign investments and where a minority of the residents shoot each other.

netwhizkid · 08-10-2005 09:47PM

Lemlin wrote:

And what do you want the six counties for? So we can have a region that will do nothing more but drain resources from our eceonomy. A region that finds it hugely hard to attract foreign investments and where a minority of the residents shoot each other.

Umm good question, You could ask a similar question to the people of the former east Germany. So basically to you the most important thing is the economy is it? What about our own kith and kin in the North they too could benefit from the Celtic Tiger (pussycat imo) It is sensible that our Country unite and then at least we might have a decent soccer team that might put up a better show than the team tonight, fair play to them for winning despite their poor performance, (not that i like the foreign game)

Good night fellas.

Proceeds to log off,

Other boards users let a sigh of relief that i'm gone.*
*I'm not a village idiot.

Scarinae · 08-10-2005 09:49PM

netwhizkid wrote:

The Original poster asked why are we anti-english, umm, i wonder would Northern Ireland have anything to do with this or the fact that we have have been fighting our oppressors for over a thousand years. We beat the Danes in 1014 under Brian Boru and if i know anything we will have the British beat out by 2014 exactly 1,000 yrs on.

So why isn't there as much anti-Danish sentiment here then? And as for beating the British out of here, what exactly is your plan for that? Would this include people whose ancestors arrived over here from England in the seventeenth century and mixed with the Irish people, and who are officially considered to be Irish now? How many generations back would somebody have to be Irish?

netwhizkid wrote:

Have you ever heard of a place called Northern Ireland? and the fact that Irish people are subjected to the rule of a foreign hand.

Well how about the fact that the majority there, even if it is only a slight majority, actually want to be part of the UK? That the majority actually want to be subjected to the rule of a 'foreign' hand? Maybe in the next nine years the republican population of NI will become the majority and they will vote to join the Republic, but it will not halt the violence up there and it will cripple our economy. The UK is much bigger than the ROI - they can bear the financial burden better than we can.

netwhizkid wrote:

Basically how stupid could anyone be to think we as a Nation could just forget our past and move on. I guarantee if the Human Race still exists in 1000yrs time Irish people will still remember the struggle.

It depresses me to think that in 1000 years we will still have such ignorant racist people plaguing Ireland and giving the rest of us a bad name. However, the lack of anti-Danish sentiment despite their raping and pillaging of our country 1000 years ago doesn't really fit with your melodramatic crap-spewing

dil999 · 08-10-2005 09:57PM

English people are great. Just as are the Scots, The Welsh and the Irish both North an South of the Border.

It absolutely sickens me to listen to a lot of this anti English Cr@p and talk of Northern Ireland and our downtrodden past.

Grow up.

Why do I find an anti-English thread on after hours on a weekly basis?

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