Why do I find an anti-English thread on after hours on a weekly basis?

kensutz · 08-10-2005 10:34AM

I'm in total agreement with Laguna on the way things have gone against the UK citizens. Also the "Doherty" thread descended into a farce just because of a simple argument against a pointless pronounciation.

Besprechen · 08-10-2005 10:34AM

Hagar wrote:

I must assume by this you mean the English as they are arguably the most racist, condecsending and class concious country I have ever come across.

not everyone of course is like that, but the anti-german mentality you get over here is unbelievable, I blame the press. if you substitued some of the things that were written or said about germany with India/Pakistan. etc. theyrd be utter outrage!

Hagar · 08-10-2005 10:40AM

kaids wrote:

Correction: Certain Welsh and certain Scots aren't too keen on the English, and certain people in every nation resent the English. You get a few bad apples wherever you go.

I accept your correction.

But are these bad apples ...
(a) A few bad English who get the rest a bad name.
(b) Other people classed as bad because they have issues with a former colonial power who never grew out of it.

Lemlin · 08-10-2005 10:50AM

To answer the OP: 700 years.

Go and read about a few things like The Famine, the 1798 Rebellion, the Penal Laws and Oliver Cromwell's visits to Ireland.

Then you'll have a few ideas of why.

Anyone who reads Irish history will know why. For example, few people know it but I have to laugh when English people talk about the atrocities commited in Hitler's concentration camps.

Amazing how they forget that Hitler was following an idea the English had invented 40 years or so earlier in South Africe during the Boer Wars.

Hagar · 08-10-2005 10:51AM

Although I got the email notification, I see Liamskater's post never quite made it.

It's good to see the Mods are on the job.
We can have a good debate without going overboard.

Sparky · 08-10-2005 10:58AM

i think that the current generation of people in ireland and england are somewhat getting over the who, fck the english, and your just a paddy thing, its all well and good saying things like that to each other, but as you mature and grow up you will realise that your just acting like a kid. I think its the previous generation of people in both ireland and england who still try to fuel the fire, because in england, the older class in england were more racist toward my friend when she was over there than any younger person, and over here, the likes of my granny would never stop on how the english ruined ireland.
We may all at times be a bit racist at england for what they done, but times change that history.
I mean do we still call germans nazi's??

Lemlin · 08-10-2005 11:02AM

i think that the current generation of people in ireland and england are somewhat getting over the who, fck the english, and your just a paddy thing, its all well and good saying things like that to each other, but as you mature and grow up you will realise that your just acting like a kid. I think its the previous generation of people in both ireland and england who still try to fuel the fire, because in england, the older class in england were more racist toward my friend when she was over there than any younger person, and over here, the likes of my granny would never stop on how the english ruined ireland.
We may all at times be a bit racist at england for what they done, but times change that history.
I mean do we still call germans nazi's??

I wouldn't be quite so dismissive of your granny. Let's not forget that atrocities were being commited in Ireland by the Black and Tans just 80 years ago. Your granny probably had to live through that.

I remember my brother telling me how he went to see Michael Collins and that during it there was three old Irish women crying because it brought back such painful memories of the fear in the country at that time.

Board@Work · 08-10-2005 11:06AM

I hate the general anti-english crap that is in Ireland...

People hate the english yet have no problems wearing english football team shirts and supporting them.. the hypocracy of it all is beyond belief...

The sooner we Irish loose this chip on our shoulders the better. I like alot of Irish have spent alot of time in Britain and have found the english to be friendly and hold no ill will against the Irish.. In fact like most peoples around the world they love the Irish.. Of course there are @ssholes there but there are plenty here too

Utopia Parkway · 08-10-2005 11:12AM

I don't think any of the threads here are particularly anti-English. In general everyone gets slagged on this site at one point or another but most of it is in jest.

We'll always have a love/hate relationship with the English though given our colonial history. The same as any other nations worldwide with a similiar relationship. We're not unique in that regard. We probably have more in common with the English than anyone else but at the same time we like to take the piss out of them more than anyone else.

To us they'll always be the "auld enemy" much the same as they are to the Scots, Welsh, Australians, Indians at cricket, etc. Such is life.

Sir Oxman · 08-10-2005 11:13AM

I have a very good friend who is English (wooooo!), we have the bit of banter about the rivalry between our two countries etc

He's a very easy going bloke but has said to me several times (and I've witnessed it) that he gets the 'English c***' and 'F*** off home' stuff a bit too much for his liking, it does make him feel uncomfortable.
The chap has worked and lived here for 7 years, has a couple of kids and generally doesn't bother anyone.

IMHO, I notice a disproportionate amount of abuse, not slagging, of our friends across the way and it is very embarrassing when you hear it being spewed.

That said, yer man likes it over here and has learnt to sidestep any boring crap/abuse that comes his way over the simple fact of being English.

I can see where the OP is coming from due to the experiences of my mate and it must be doubly hard to put up with when he's had the same over in England, which just goes to show there are many a*seholes everywhere.
Ignore the gombeens and let them seethe in their own mess.

Chin up, old boy! YMMV.

limerick_man · 08-10-2005 11:19AM

Ok, I'm joining this one

YES, EVERYONE IS AWARE AT THE PAIN AND SUFFERING THE BRITISH EMPIRE CAUSED MANY (YES, MANY. NOT JUST IRELAND, BUT INDIA, ABORIGINAL AUSTRALIANS, EARLY AMERICA, AFRICA ETC.)

I agree the Brits have pissed most of the world off! We are, on the whole, not concerned about what they have done.... but N. Ireland!

why don't you start ranting about the Catholic chuch and the condoning of the sanctioned rapes of the children by "Christian" brothers who ruined so many lives, the wonderful Nuns who caused pain and suffering in schools and laundries and workhouses?.

Umm.. how long have you been living here?, try listening to Irish music, or Irish TV ... or in fact any media in the Republic of Ireland!!!!!

It's strange actually, Irish people(at least in Dublin) seem to welcome all different races&cultures into the country (asian,african,indian etc) EXCEPT for the British

I dont find that, just that less British people decided to come and live here! Although my friend was wearing an English soccer jersey and someone walking past him actually screamed "Ireland" at him! ... While we dont have a problem with other jerseys ... so i see where u are coming from there.. but its like as long as they dont go around showing there Britishness then they are welcome coz i know a few People from England

If you can understand the people who act with racist comments etc. towards English people, would you also understand if the British government had decided in the wake of repetitive bombings of London by the IRA in the 1970's onwards, to drop bombs on Dublin?.

Well, see the IRA is a terrorist group, they dont represent Ireland (they say they do, but they dont), same way Al Quieda arn't actually representing the entire muslim community around the world! Hell personally i feel the DUP are more fighting for what i want!

THEN have the cheek to come on television after events such as 9/11 and the London bombings and offer condolences.

Ok with 9/11 thats America... Ireland and America have a strong bond, goes back to the days when we both hated the Brits! And the London bombings, well we were shocked and surprised because we thought we had built your terrorist defence up to combat anything! Once the IRA saw that they didnt do a good enough job ... they just quit!

If every nation you ever meet resents you maybe it's you and not the whole world that's at fault.
Maybe you should stand back and take a good long look at yourselves as a race.

Umm... thats really, really over the top! (PS... they live and have the same morals as us)

not everyone of course is like that, but the anti-german mentality you get over here is unbelievable, I blame the press

What are you on about, Ireland loves the Germans .. they helped us get freedom, they wear a white soccer jersey in honour of Ireland, they have been a major contributer to helping Ireland from funding through the EU!
I know German people, I dont know anyone I can think of that doesnt like Germans!

I remember my brother telling me how he went to see Michael Collins and that during it there was three old Irish women crying because it brought back such painful memories of the fear in the country at that time.

That movie bares no resemblence to what actually happened it is factually incorrect! Dont base your ideaology on ficton!

Ok so .. I have run out of posts to comment on... well this has been fun, oh and can I add ... Each and every one of ye is a physco!

Lemlin · 08-10-2005 11:20AM

Like I pointed out above, its only 80 years since alot of this happened so I have no problem with older people having anti-English sentiments. In the same way, I wouldn't blame people in places like Omagh for having anti-Irish sentiments.

I think History should be compulsory in schools for people though. Perhaps the Celtic jersey wearing, Wolfe Tones concert attending dumbasses who profess their hate for England would have an idea what they're talking about then?

Like the point about the concentration camps above though, another one I laugh at are Unionists who talk about their love for England and how Britain would never abandon them.

If they knew a bit of basic history they'd know that Churchill offered De Valera the 6 counties in the 40s for little more than the user of three Irish ports and a few other terms. Never abandon them indeed....

Sparky · 08-10-2005 11:25AM

Lemlin wrote:

If they knew a bit of basic history they'd know that Churchill offered De Valera the 6 counties in the 40s for little more than the user of three Irish ports and a few other terms. Never abandon them indeed....

Bang on.

Baz_ · 08-10-2005 11:29AM

This thread makes my eyes bleed, so I'll respond to only one thing.

Laguna wrote:

...YOU HAVE TO GET OVER THIS...

Why do we have to? Why should we? & Who are you to demand that we all just sweep 800 years of brutality and evilness under the carpet?

Like dublindude said, I personally don't harbour any ill will towards English people, although English people not bothering to learn how to pronounce Irish names does bother me, in terms of our culture they can be as ignorant as they please, sure they're almost Americans as it is. However, I can understand why some people would still harbour ill will, 800 years is a long time, and I reckon it might just take as long to forgive and forget the atrocities as it took to carry them out. Just get over it, or don't read them threads.

limerick_man · 08-10-2005 11:30AM

delah wrote:

He's a very easy going bloke but has said to me several times (and I've witnessed it) that he gets the 'English c***' and 'F*** off home' stuff a bit too much for his liking, it does make him feel uncomfortable

..... You had to just get in there before me didnt ya! Just make my post seem stupid! :eek:

Lemlin · 08-10-2005 11:32AM

That movie bares no resemblence to what actually happened it is factually incorrect! Dont base your ideaology on ficton!

You haven't really read all my posts, have you? I've made a point of backing up all my ideology with fact to show I'm not another English-hating dumbass with little or no reason behind it.

I wasn't basing anything on a movie. I was just showing how even a film could bring up strong emotions for people who lived through that era, be it factually correct or not.

Besprechen · 08-10-2005 11:32AM

limerick_man wrote:

What are you on about, Ireland loves the Germans .. they helped us get freedom, they wear a white soccer jersey in honour of Ireland, they have been a major contributer to helping Ireland from funding through the EU!
I know German people, I dont know anyone I can think of that doesnt like Germans!

oops, sorry, shouda said i meant over here where i am in england!

limerick_man · 08-10-2005 11:33AM

Now, now, now!!!!
The English are great! When anyone of us go on holiday within the EU we can act as we please... Y?
Because they think we are British because we speak English!!!!
They make our travels so much more fun!

limerick_man · 08-10-2005 11:34AM

Besprechen wrote:

oops, sorry, shouda said i meant over here where i am in england!

Oh right! Well the Brits have a reason to hate the Germans, they lost lots of money lives and .. Ireland !

Scarinae · 08-10-2005 12:15PM

Hagar wrote:

This is Boards.ie - note the ie bit.

The English don't have to come here to be resented, they're resented everywhere they go.

The Welsh and the Scots aren't too keen on you either.
The English are even resented in England, by the people from their ex-Colonies.

If every nation you ever meet resents you maybe it's you and not the whole world that's at fault.
Maybe you should stand back and take a good long look at yourselves as a race.

BTW "resented" was the least offensive word I could think of, but then you probably already knew that. You is plural, not you personally.

So basically, you're saying since everybody hates the British then it's ok if we do it too? And what is one English person meant to do about it? They aren't personally responsible for the centuries of oppression, they weren't even alive when it happened, they can't help where they were born, so why should we bear a grudge against each of them?

Lemlin wrote:

To answer the OP: 700 years.

Go and read about a few things like The Famine, the 1798 Rebellion, the Penal Laws and Oliver Cromwell's visits to Ireland.

Then you'll have a few ideas of why.

Lemlin wrote:

I think History should be compulsory in schools for people though. Perhaps the Celtic jersey wearing, Wolfe Tones concert attending dumbasses who profess their hate for England would have an idea what they're talking about then?

While I agree that the things that the English did in our country were awful, I just don't think it is reason enough for the thoughtless racism you get from Irish people. I think you're right about the History bit, people should at least know what the hell they're talking about when they're mouthing off about England, but I just don't think it's acceptable to use it as fuel for abusing ordinary English people who haven't done anything to us personally and probably aren't even aware of Irish history themselves. Being annoyed with the English government of centuries ago for what they did is fine and it is understandable, but hating any English person is ignorant and racist

Laguna · 08-10-2005 03:23PM

So what some of you saying on here is that people like me, Irish parents - born in England, when we come here we should put up with your ill thought out racist comments towards the English and be your emotional punch bags for your inferiority complex?.

I'm also picking up on a lot of people practically saying "put up with it blah blah blah my granny hates the english so I can understand". No, I don't think I can appreciate how this generation, who has never known anything BUT prosperity, can still go on about how the English did this in 1798, the famine, 1916 etc etc. (BTW to the poster who said I should read up on these things, don't worry, I know all about them, some people in Ireland have treated me as if I was personally responsible for these events).

The Ireland of today is a successful and vibrant economy, more people own their own houses than ever, the highest proportion in the EU of new cars BUT you still seem to have to come back to something to feel inferior about. Let me get this straight for some of the ill-informed on here about me, In England I was regarded as IRISH even though I was born an reared in England, so therefore I saw myself as IRISH. When I get here, I get the shock of my life with NUMEROUS people telling me how ENGLISH I am, how I should **** off BACK to England, how I was practically Oliver Cromwells son, the famine this - the famine that.

I'm ****ing sick of it, you're a growing economy, there's a buzz around the country, but some of you love to bring it all back and wallow in self pity, I think Ronan Keating of all people said it. Irish man sees a nice house and doesn't think "well done to that man/woman" they think "I'll get that ****".
NO ONE on this forum was alive when the black and tans were doing their evil in this country and, as a matter of fact, once again - MY GRANDPARENTS rose up and fought the British rule (despite the fact that I'm an English ****)

I'm wasting my breath on here anyway, getting so many replies justifying the behaviour, a mod should do me a favour and just lock the thread

Baz_ · 08-10-2005 03:57PM

Laguna wrote:

I'm wasting my breath on here anyway, getting so many replies justifying the behaviour, a mod should do me a favour and just lock the thread

You're wasting your breath if you're using it to type your response, fingers are much faster and far more efficient.

I don't see what any of the negative attitudes towards English people have to do with some sort of inferiority complex, quite frankly I'm confused by that one. Fair enough the whole begrudging thing against people with fancy cars and houses, thats a bit sad and shameful when you see it happening (although thats not to say that I don't feel a bit ashamed when I hear someone slag off English people for no good reason [there are sometimes good reasons though, don't write them all off]). Care to explain that one, or are we too unworthy?;)

tuxy · 08-10-2005 04:00PM

people will always find a reason to hate others be it religion,race, or politics.
realy we are not much different.
i think if ireland was a bigger country with more military power then england we would have opressed them in the same way.

arbeitsscheuer · 08-10-2005 04:13PM

Fishie wrote:

Many call it nationalism. However, I always thought that nationalism was pride of your own country, not hatred of another.

Best summing up ever.
However, historically, a nation has often defined itself by its "enemy", real or perceived.

I myself have Irish parents but was born in London, and am proud to be Anglo-Irish.

Some ppl have a lot of hate in them, and it comes out in such a way. But most ppl I know aren't smallminded, and if they do make fun I know enough not to take it seriously. It's just a laugh most of the time. But there are a few ignorant f**ks out there, certainly.

Mr. Presentable · 08-10-2005 04:19PM

The reason most people here hate the English is that they aspire to being them but can't swallow their pride to admit it.

Watch EP football, listen to Brit music, shop at Boots, adopt their (anti)socialisms like the chav, pseudo rhyming slang - I could go on.

panda100 · 08-10-2005 04:24PM

I am just like laguna-irish parents moved over to london in the 70's -i was born and raised there in county crickelwood and then moved back when i was 16 to do my leaving-still have my english accent after living here almost 8 years.I still encounter anti-english sentiment over here and it does get to me.During the summer i was at a limerick gaa game up in derry-my brother plays football for limerick so was there to support him and then later that night after we lost(typical limerick :rolleyes: )we stopped into abrakebabra and two limerick guys started hurling abuse at us when they heard our accent!On average this would happen bout twice a year you'd get people hearing your accent and telling you your a english bast**d.It makes me embarrassed to be irish when i hear people going on like this.After all jesus was born in a stable and that doesnt make him a donkey. Just cos i was born in england and have an english accent doesnt make me english-irish people find this so hard to accept.

Mr. Presentable · 08-10-2005 04:26PM

panda100 wrote:

Just cos i was born in england and have an english accent doesnt make me english.

If that is not a qualification for being English, what is?

Lemlin · 08-10-2005 04:35PM

So what some of you saying on here is that people like me, Irish parents - born in England, when we come here we should put up with your ill thought out racist comments towards the English and be your emotional punch bags for your inferiority complex?.

I'm also picking up on a lot of people practically saying "put up with it blah blah blah my granny hates the english so I can understand". No, I don't think I can appreciate how this generation, who has never known anything BUT prosperity, can still go on about how the English did this in 1798, the famine, 1916 etc etc. (BTW to the poster who said I should read up on these things, don't worry, I know all about them, some people in Ireland have treated me as if I was personally responsible for these events).

The Ireland of today is a successful and vibrant economy, more people own their own houses than ever, the highest proportion in the EU of new cars BUT you still seem to have to come back to something to feel inferior about. Let me get this straight for some of the ill-informed on here about me, In England I was regarded as IRISH even though I was born an reared in England, so therefore I saw myself as IRISH. When I get here, I get the shock of my life with NUMEROUS people telling me how ENGLISH I am, how I should **** off BACK to England, how I was practically Oliver Cromwells son, the famine this - the famine that.

I'm ****ing sick of it, you're a growing economy, there's a buzz around the country, but some of you love to bring it all back and wallow in self pity, I think Ronan Keating of all people said it. Irish man sees a nice house and doesn't think "well done to that man/woman" they think "I'll get that ****".
NO ONE on this forum was alive when the black and tans were doing their evil in this country and, as a matter of fact, once again - MY GRANDPARENTS rose up and fought the British rule (despite the fact that I'm an English ****)

I'm wasting my breath on here anyway, getting so many replies justifying the behaviour, a mod should do me a favour and just lock the thread

I don't think its an inferiority complex. Irish people have been brought up and have it in their genes to be patriotic. If anything, this was fostered by our years of fighting for independence. Just the way that people will tell you that Serbian people make good soldiers, Irish people have a deep love for their country, its history and their ancestors. Therefore they are going to have ill feeling towards England.

I don't think the six counties even come into it alot of the time. I grew up beside the border but I, for one, don't want to have anything to do with Northern Ireland. The Irish economy is booming and, to be honest, Northern Ireland would do nothing for the Republic but drain our resources IMO.

panda100 · 08-10-2005 04:56PM

spannerhead wrote:

If that is not a qualification for being English, what is?[/QU
What?just cos i was born in a country doesnt make me english!your nationality doesent have to do with where your living or where your born-i can garuntee there are 2nd generation irish living in new york,sydney,london all over the world who would disagree with that. But i think any type of nationalism and too much pride in ones country is a bad thing cos at the end of the day its only a piece of land and without it there would be a lot less wars etc.I mean if someone tommorow said to you to go out and fight for your country what exactly would you be fighting for

Lemlin · 08-10-2005 05:03PM

I mean if someone tommorow said to you to go out and fight for your country what exactly would you be fighting for

Well, for a start, you'd be fighting for your rights. That's what Irish people spent 800 years fighting for. The right to govern themselves and be treated as equals. At one stage, Irish people weren't even allowed attend school.

Why do I find an anti-English thread on after hours on a weekly basis?

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