Eddie Hobbs

jackd7 · 08-09-2005 11:47PM

Take it easy on Eddie lads, he is just highlighting the situation as it is. With some good advice thrown in.
As for the personal side, did anyone read the piece on him in the Indo?
As far as I can remember from the article he worked his way up & was pretty honest about the shady characters he met on the way up!!
Anyway, it's a bit of fun at the end of the day.

RainyDay · 08-09-2005 11:49PM

jonny68 wrote:

Im a professional and i wouldn't earn €200 a DAY never mind an hour i just think it smacks of hypocriosy that he presents a programme showing this country for what it is and then he charges astronomical fees for his "services",even if it's not €749 an hour €200 is serious serious money to be charging

Are you one of the leading players in your industry? Are you a nationally recognised expert in your field? Have you just generated a huge amount of water-cooler conversations all round the country with your own TV series? If not, the comparison isn't really valid.

Yes, €200 is serious money to be charging - but that doesn't make it a rip-off and it doesn't show hypocrasy.

adonis · 09-09-2005 12:06AM

anyway! whats rip off about ireland??...10 years ago we didnt have a motorway, now we have lots of them..we didnt have a valid transports system, now we have the luas and some average suburban rail systems...there is money coursing through the veins of the country, and people are richer than ever.
As part of a thriving society im quite happy to pay for this. And I think you should all be too..i dont get this little cork guy, he's a PR man, thats all.
Now, who wants to go back to the 80's??
health cuts..redundancies etc. etc..

Dave! · 09-09-2005 12:08AM

adonis wrote:

Now, who wants to go back to the 80's??
health cuts..redundancies etc. etc..

...KARATE KID! :eek:

Adonis, get your time-machine! :cool:

Mina Loy · 09-09-2005 12:20AM

Maaan everybody stop dissin' the Hobb... christ...how is this country gonna change if everybody stomps on the people who speak out about the state of it.. who the hell cares what he charges..he has a huge market all to himself since he's the only one intelligent/cares enough to do it.

Plus, he lives in the curragh and I've met him randomly around Newbridge town and he is a really nice guy it seems.. (and he also looks like the count off sesame street

)

adonis · 09-09-2005 12:21AM

DaveMcG wrote:

...KARATE KID! :eek:

Adonis, get your time-machine! :cool:

your reference is lost on me..

on another point..if people want to pay 750 a day or whatever, let them.
More fool them, to give it to some little cork man..

Farls · 09-09-2005 12:24AM

adonis wrote:

anyway! whats rip off about ireland??...10 years ago we didnt have a motorway, now we have lots of them..we didnt have a valid transports system, now we have the luas and some average suburban rail systems...there is money coursing through the veins of the country, and people are richer than ever.

People are not richer than ever....people are in more debt than ever before, the transport system in Ireland is laughable compared to the rest of europe and england.

nesf · 09-09-2005 12:30AM

adonis wrote:

More fool them, to give it to some little cork man..

Yeah everyone knows that only jackeens overcharge so badly

adonis · 09-09-2005 12:36AM

Farls wrote:

People are not richer than ever....people are in more debt than ever before, the transport system in Ireland is laughable compared to the rest of europe and england.

ok, i agree with one point, are transport system is weak..but you have to remember those countries (france, germany, spain, england) all had a head start of about 80 years on us! plus, in WW2 the majority of them got a restart..
Ireland has been dragging itself out of its own quagmire since the early nineties. I for one dont think that the progress we have made in 15 years is too shoddy.

On the debt point:
I dont know anyone in serious debt, (what do you describe as serious debt??) mortgages???, which im afraid are a fact of life not just in ireland but everywhere in europe ( i cant speak for the rest of the world )
In england the majority of students are in debt, from the off..so i dont think we are as badly off as we say we are..

Along with begrudgery this has always been a trait of the irish people -self defeatism - we're not that good, we'll never make it to the world cup -
yada yada -

So i suggest people stop marching to the same beat/jumping on the bandwagon and think for themselves once in a while....
we have rarely had it so good, and thats a fact!

Farls · 09-09-2005 12:43AM

think to the future though, by the time mortgages etc are paid off there will be nothing left to retire on. All that will be left behind is debt.

I would regard spending more than your earning for most of your working life as serious debt and that is what most people in this country are doing at the moment. Living away beyond their means. Big house, big car, big bills....medium size pay check.

The General · 09-09-2005 12:51AM

jonny68 wrote:

The guy who presents the rip off Ireland programme,ive been reliably informed that Mr Hobbs charges in excess of €749 PER HOUR for his services should you need financial advice :eek: i mean WTF,is this guy having a laugh or what he presents what is in fairness a very good programme but he has the gall to charge what is a massive fee for his services,rip off Eddie Hobbs more like :mad:

Does that even matter, everything else he says about how we are getting ripped off is true, if you don't need financial advice don't go to him

adonis · 09-09-2005 12:59AM

Farls wrote:

think to the future though, by the time mortgages etc are paid off there will be nothing left to retire on. All that will be left behind is debt.

I would regard spending more than your earning for most of your working life as serious debt and that is what most people in this country are doing at the moment. Living away beyond their means. Big house, big car, big bills....medium size pay check.

i dont agree:

1. People who have a big house and big car but a medium size pay check should consider downsizing to getting a medium house and medium car... I have no sympathy for people with pretentions greater than their means.

2. People have mortgages, they will always have mortgages, its never going to change...not as far as i can see. And "Rip Off" Ireland has nothing to do with this, as mortgages are a worldwide phenomenon!

Farls · 09-09-2005 01:07AM

adonis wrote:

i dont agree:

1. People who have a big house and big car but a medium size pay check should consider downsizing to getting a medium house and medium car... I have no sympathy for people with pretentions greater than their means.

2. People have mortgages, they will always have mortgages, its never going to change...not as far as i can see. And "Rip Off" Ireland has nothing to do with this, as mortgages are a worldwide phenomenon!

yes but this means most of the country would have to downsize then!

I agree a mortgage is a part of life, i'm not saying it isn't. I'm on about the amount of tax that you use that mortgage to pay for. Everything is taxed here, except if your rich. If your rich then tax doesn't seem too annoy you too much.

The goverment is using Joe Public to pay for the rich people to have better lives, i mean look at U2, Boyzone, Westlife...all mad rich but no tax, why? because their artists...berties daughter is a writer...so no tax their either.

Eddie is showing the small people these home truths and is a voice that we've been missing for years.

adonis · 09-09-2005 09:36AM

Artists don't work tax-free because berties daughter is a writer. And i doubt that the government have setup those tax breaks just to oblige berties daughter, it seems a little far-fetched.

of course artists should be allowed to practice their art tax-free. How are they expected to live/practice their art if they arent allowed to live tax free.
However, i dont know how rich boyzone/U2 and Westlife are due to tax relief. Im sure its more to do with the fact that they have all sold shed upon shed upon shed loads of albums and singles, aswell as selling out tours worldwide.

Tax is a fact of life in a society. You have to pay it.

Your argument again seems to be against the rich people, who pay less tax, apparantely.. Although the lower tax band is sub 27,000 ( i think its 21% ) and the upper one is 42% anything above that. I think thats pretty equitable.

Stephen · 09-09-2005 09:51AM

Fair play to Eddie Hobbs. We need more like him to keep turning the screws on those geebags in leinster house.

grumpytrousers · 09-09-2005 10:01AM

adonis wrote:

Artists don't work tax-free because berties daughter is a writer. And i doubt that the government have setup those tax breaks just to oblige berties daughter, it seems a little far-fetched.

of course artists should be allowed to practice their art tax-free. How are they expected to live/practice their art if they arent allowed to live tax free.
However, i dont know how rich boyzone/U2 and Westlife are due to tax relief. Im sure its more to do with the fact that they have all sold shed upon shed upon shed loads of albums and singles, aswell as selling out tours worldwide.

Tax is a fact of life in a society. You have to pay it.

Your argument again seems to be against the rich people, who pay less tax, apparantely.. Although the lower tax band is sub 27,000 ( i think its 21% ) and the upper one is 42% anything above that. I think thats pretty equitable.

Your points about tax bands etc may need a little refinement there...

See, while it's true that the bands are something like what you say they are, the fact of the matter is that 'rich' people are better equipped to pay less tax anyway.

If Person A earns 400,000 a year, say, then they have the opportunity to put any 'savings' into the kind of high yield/tax free schemes that will tend to REQUIRE a significant investment. In other words, you can't 'invest' in a hospital/car park with the kind of money you'd chuck into the credit union every friday. 'Rich folk' will have that money, and not only have that money, they get to, as i say, invest it in tax free schemes.

If, on the other hand, you earn 20,000 a year, and you decided week on week to put a few quid by in the the bank or whatever, you'll pay DIRT on it...

BuffyBot · 09-09-2005 10:19AM

jonny68 wrote:

The guy who presents the rip off Ireland programme,ive been reliably informed that Mr Hobbs charges in excess of €749 PER HOUR for his services should you need financial advice :eek: i mean WTF,is this guy having a laugh or what he presents what is in fairness a very good programme but he has the gall to charge what is a massive fee for his services,rip off Eddie Hobbs more like :mad:

*insert disdainful and mildly derogative response here*

Somedays, it just isn't worth typing what you feel..

Mo Green · 09-09-2005 10:28AM

The problem isn't really the direct taxes such as PAYE which take account of an individuals circumstances. VAT, Toll charges, excise duty etc are all forms of indirect taxes which are applied without taking any circumstances into account. These therefore hurt those on lower incomes more than those with a high disposable income and the government seems to be applying more than one of these taxes to almost everything we use. I think this was one of the points Eddie Hobbs was making.

RicardoSmith · 09-09-2005 10:38AM

€200-300 a lot? No really for an experienced professional. In IT rates of 100-400 a day are pretty common when contracting. Also when contracting you don't work everyday and you have to pay for everything yourself, so you can directly compare it to a salaried job or one where you are working everyday.

Why attack Eddie? He's just a messenger. Hes trying to raise financial awareness in people. How is that a bad thing? The only reason you might have a problem with it is if hes wrong, or you think hes being political. But if you have a problem with him being successful then thats just stupid. He's not providing an essential service that you need to buy, unlike medicine, or something like that.

The point about the debt in Ireland is that its increasing and the people having a problem with debt is increasing. Its getting to the point where middle income sector is struggling to manage, and one of the first signs of this is increasing debt, and people unable to pay for pension, or save for the future.

Viscosity · 09-09-2005 10:50AM

Anyone see the story in todays Indo re Eddie Hobbs and The Village?

The Village had a piece on Eddie which focussed on his spell with Taylor Asset Management. Supposedly the magazine gave EH a copy of the article and he gave his side of the story but has now threatened legal action if they publish it. The Village is now being held until tomorrow. Its interesting to see a media shy Eddie for once, something to hide perhaps ???

Pigman II · 09-09-2005 10:53AM

Mina Loy wrote:

(and he also looks like the count off sesame street )

Vun €50 note , Tooh €50 notes , THREE €50 notes ..... FIFTEEEEEEN €50 notes. Mwah ah hah!

RicardoSmith · 09-09-2005 11:40AM

Viscosity wrote:

Anyone see the story in todays Indo re Eddie Hobbs and The Village?

The Village had a piece on Eddie which focussed on his spell with Taylor Asset Management. Supposedly the magazine gave EH a copy of the article and he gave his side of the story but has now threatened legal action if they publish it. The Village is now being held until tomorrow. Its interesting to see a media shy Eddie for once, something to hide perhaps ???

No whats it about?

whiskeyman · 09-09-2005 11:53AM

Viscosity wrote:

Anyone see the story in todays Indo re Eddie Hobbs and The Village?

The Village had a piece on Eddie which focussed on his spell with Taylor Asset Management. Supposedly the magazine gave EH a copy of the article and he gave his side of the story but has now threatened legal action if they publish it. The Village is now being held until tomorrow. Its interesting to see a media shy Eddie for once, something to hide perhaps ???

I'd say here's your main reason why Eddie is not appearing on the Late Late Tonight.

Mr. CooL ICE · 09-09-2005 11:56AM

Just out of curiosity... jonny68, Viscosity, are ye Fianna Fáil? If not, have ye been employed to support the smear campaign or something?

Mangler · 09-09-2005 11:59AM

Everything in Ireland is over priced now, and the most annoying part about this is that you can pay top dollar for a service (any service) and it will still turn out to be cheap and second rate. thats the most depressing thing about living here. I lived in London during the 90's it wasnt a cheap place to live, I dont honestly think any capital city is, but at least I was satisfied with everthing that was available to me in London. Here everything ... well its just CRAP.

Flashman · 09-09-2005 12:00PM

Hobbs was a director or something of Taylor Asset Management when it went tits up, and millions of euros of clients money was stolen by the company's owner Tony Taylor.

scargill · 09-09-2005 12:03PM

Mangler wrote:

Everything in Ireland is over priced now, and the most annoying part about this is that you can pay top dollar for a service (any service) and it will still turn out to be cheap and second rate. thats the most depressing thing about living here. I lived in London during the 90's it wasnt a cheap place to live, I dont honestly think any capital city is, but at least I was satisfied with everthing that was available to me in London. Here everything ... well its just CRAP.

well - back to London with you so.

RicardoSmith · 09-09-2005 12:03PM

LordChessington wrote:

Just out of curiosity... jonny68, Viscosity, are ye Fianna Fáil? If not, have ye been employed to support the smear campaign or something?

http://www.peoplesrepublicofcork.com/images/articles/Hobbs/

Mangler · 09-09-2005 12:06PM

scargill wrote:

well - back to London with you so.

I bet my mate a tenner that some retard would answer with that quote

the Irish are so predictable

besides i am a Paddy , I am from this Island looks like I am stuck here

RicardoSmith · 09-09-2005 12:08PM

Regardless of Eddie past history or policitical allegiance, which should be aired, but the essential points should be lost in all the noise.

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/front/2005/0908/203399925HM1DEVELOPED.html

The 2005 Human Development Report, published by the UN Development Programme yesterday, found Irish people to be the second wealthiest in the world, with a GDP per head of $37,738 (€30,384).

However, it also showed that among the world's wealthiest countries, Ireland was one of the most unequal, with the third-highest level of poverty in 18 industrialised countries surveyed.
....
The report estimated that 15.2 per cent of Irish people lived in poverty. Only Italy and the US had a higher poverty rate among 18 industrialised countries surveyed.

In addition, Ireland had the second highest rate of illiteracy, after Italy, with 22.6 per cent of the population lacking functional literacy skills.
..

In general, the report found Ireland to be one of the most unequal countries in the developed world, with the richest 10 per cent of the population having 9.7 times more wealth than the poorest 10 per cent.

Of the top 30 most developed countries in the world, only the US, Hong Kong, New Zealand and Portugal were said to be more unequal.

Eddie Hobbs

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