Canada

roberteboot · 11-08-2005 10:25AM

Crack addicts.Seriously.And crack addicted prostitutes.And homeless people.But then i lived on East Pender in Vancouver.Anyone whose lived around there will know it.We had to laugh when we went into on eof those USIT welcome meetings(you know the ones you get the day after you arrive) and they had a big map of where NOT to go near.The first place she mentioned,and she was very serious about it,was EXACTLY where we'd rented a house.Which we thought was hilarious.Until we literally shat ourselves when we saw the place.Well.Not literally.Hood.

I did a search just there for Pender and i found this quote in an article pretty much straight away.
"Today half the city's murders still happen within a half-dozen blocks of the corner of Hastings and Main Streets"

Vancouver is AMAZING though.Fantastic city.Great pubs,people,beach,weather,everything.

thatkindofgirl · 11-08-2005 10:27AM

Actually I moved here from Canada and I find the winters (and autumns) in Ireland far worse. The cold here gets into your bones and you feel like you'll never be warm (or dry) again. At least at home if you dress properly, you are warm. And there is sun. It might be cold but at least you don't have three months of no-sun-ever.

But it's probably just that I'm used to that dry cold instead of the wet cold.

drunkenfool · 11-08-2005 10:29AM

Listen martha your beginning to make me puke.
its a different kind of cold over there, its dry it doesnt somehow manage to through your ****ing clothes like it does here, with icy winds and ****ing rain! Snow i can handle, but icy ****ing rain!! And at least its sunny over there all year round, whether theres snow on the ground or not. Irish weather is ****ing horrible and so are you martha.(sorry, just came out)
Martha being a bit judgemental there also, your thoughts based upon one person (Mrs dion, whom i also think is a total muppet) out of 35million plus.

Also your music taste martha is simply amazing! Will you marry me??

martha · 11-08-2005 10:30AM

Yeah its a lovely amazing place with incredible views to see.And better still the government are very protective of the wee fellas.Check this out
Yes, indeed. This is a REAL LAW.

Bill 97 2003
An Act to ban dwarf tossing
Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Ontario, enacts as follows:
Dwarf tossing banned
1. (1) No person shall organize a dwarf tossing event or engage in dwarf tossing.
Offence
(2) A person who contravenes subsection (1) is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to a fine of not more than $5,000 or to imprisonment for a term of not more than six months, or to both.
Commencement
2. This Act comes into force on the day it receives Royal Assent.
Short title
3. The short title of this Act is the Dwarf Tossing Ban Act, 2003.
Resepect to the canadians,protecting dwarves since the beginning of time

martha · 11-08-2005 10:32AM

[QUOTE=drunkenfool Will you marry me??[/QUOTE]
Of course i will,but i'm telling you now buddy theres no fcuking way we're honeymooning in Canada

drunkenfool · 11-08-2005 10:35AM

martha wrote:

Of course i will,but i'm telling you now buddy theres no fcuking way we're honeymooning in Canada

tough ****, we're going to canada to change your views.
your already starting to talk like a canadian there, buddy.

beefy · 11-08-2005 10:36AM

BizzyC wrote:

that's -10 to -40 fahrenheit......

Nope, celcius it is

martha · 11-08-2005 10:54AM

drunkenfool wrote:

tough ****, we're going to canada to change your views.
your already starting to talk like a canadian there, buddy.

Hi! I'm drunkenfool and i fancy the pants of Avril Lavigne. Despite the fact that shes basically a poor man's Britney Spears, she wears messy clothes and that makes her PUNK ROCK. Smash Hits even said so, so it must be true. I'm so antiestablishment that I'm on the front covers of Teen People, Cosmo-Girl and Sugar! Power to the People... and DRINK PEPSI - it's refreshing! The writers down at corporate headquarters who write all of her music for her paint me her a rebel, so uhh.... GRRRR! shes a Rebel! I hope her fame lasts, or she might have to stop being a complete ignoramus and go back and finish High School.)Surely her fame and popularity will last until shes old and grey, just like lots of other teen idols... whose names escape me right now."Yeh... I'd DO her." Face facts drunkenfool. You would **** anything that didn't violently try to escape, including this bony beady-eyed sack of white trash.

drunkenfool · 11-08-2005 10:57AM

Yes i know im sorry, i havnt stopped talking about avril lavigne since i got up this morning.

Youll be lucky if we go on any honeymoon, the way things are going i probably wont let you out of your cage.

BizzyC · 11-08-2005 10:58AM

martha wrote:

Sorry darling but girls aloud are a british group,just because 20% of the group comes from derry this doesnt mean we can claim them(unfortunately,as i think they have some good tunes,anybody who doesnt like love machine is a liar)

The management is Irish aswell...

anyway, they suck.

Can't even compare them to some of those canadian bands, they'll never be that successful.

Plus Avril Lavigne is hot, way nicer than britney.

drunkenfool · 11-08-2005 11:02AM

Correct me if im wrong, but i believe avril levigne writes all her own music. Now i dont know much about her, cause i ****ing hate chart music, but I believe that was the big deal about her, she wrote all her own music. So, just goes to show how much you know, and trying to act all anti-corporate, just give it up, and go back to your cage.

martha · 11-08-2005 11:04AM

BizzyC wrote:

The management is Irish aswell...

anyway, they suck.

Can't even compare them to some of those canadian bands, they'll never be that successful.

Alright so the nationality of your manager determines your nationality also,ok then i'm a yank oh and Steveno Gerrardso is a Spaniard.Fair point bizzyc
And i see that your determining how good an artist is by its record sales.Fair enough buddy you must really really really love your little pal the crazy frog.
PS Girls Aloud dont suck,Sound of the Underground is a cracking pop tune

martha · 11-08-2005 11:07AM

BizzyC wrote:

Plus Avril Lavigne is hot, way nicer than britney.

Nice one BizzyC.Do you seriously not hear how stupid and pathetic that sounds? "THIS TURDS IS COOLER THAN THAT TURD!
They're all turds Bizzy!

martha · 11-08-2005 11:34AM

drunkenfool wrote:

Correct me if im wrong, but i believe avril levigne writes all her own music. Now i dont know much about her, cause i ****ing hate chart music, but I believe that was the big deal about her, she wrote all her own music. So, just goes to show how much you know, and trying to act all anti-corporate, just give it up, and go back to your cage.

Oh, that's right. Avril's a TRUE musician because she plays her own instruments and also writes her own songs. Actually, if you've bought her CD, you might notice that it states every song was co-written, meaning that someone helped Avril with the lyrics. Now, I'll admit that Avril might've penned some songs and then had to rewrite them with help from others. This still doesn't mean SHE wrote the songs. It means she wrote the first draft and some else turned it into the pop smash played on the radio. It's easy to write a song with helped, just pull out rhyming words and put them together. Singers do it all the time, but it doesn't make the song theirs.

Now, for the guitar. Avril has mentioned that she doesn't know the correct way to play a guitar, that she never bothered to learn and never will. Avril actually really can't play a guitar except for in one song. Go check her CD again. All of the music was recorded by someone else, and Avril only plays guitar in one song. Michelle Branch knows her guitar and knows how to play it. Vanessa Carlton knows her piano and knows how to play it. This makes them musicians. Strumming a guitar to one song and not even knowing how to really play doesn't mean you're a musician.

Another thing, that I believe, makes Avril a pre-packaged popstar is that is she's always labeling herself. She ALWAYS states she's a "skater punk" and makes sure everyone knows she a "rock star." Most musicians, much less singers, don't like to be labeled. And why would you? No one wants to just be put in a category. Avril does though. She works effortlessly to make sure she fits that "punk" genre. This seems fishy if you ask me. For a person that states she does what she wants and doesn't care what others think of her, this is unusual behavior.
Sorry buddy(american word by the way)

BizzyC · 11-08-2005 11:43AM

Bit overly agressive aren't we Martha?

Actually, I wasn't referring to record sales. Each of the bands/acts you metioned have been going for years, bar avril and Sum41. Each have been very successfull for a long period of time, and have toured all over the world to much success.

Girls Aloud are a band for teenaged girls in the UK and Ireland, who play small venues.

I'm actually not a big fan of Avril, she seems like a bit of a fool, but I still would rather look at her than britney, who's a complete idiot.

martha wrote:

Despite the fact that shes basically a poor man's Britney Spears

hmm....

martha wrote:

Nice one BizzyC.Do you seriously not hear how stupid and pathetic that sounds? "THIS TURDS IS COOLER THAN THAT TURD!
They're all turds Bizzy!

Hello, I'm the pot you just called black, miss kettle.

Anyway, this is getting a bit off topic. It's turning into a music discussion.

Aren't Candian people are lovely!!:D

Bacchus · 11-08-2005 11:44AM

I'v only flicked through some of the comments made already so some what I have to say may have been said already.
I spent 4 months in Canada last year, Toronto to be specific. Toronto is a hole where people in suits go to race around like little rats so they can afford their crappy apartments with uber modern furniture etc. Seriously, the place has no life in it at all. There are NO decent pubs (never mind good pubs), the city is overrun with homeless and druggies. For those who question me, I lived 5 minutes away from Dundas Sq (the "Times Sq" of Toronto) and I would always come across druggies and homeless guys. I know you have them in every city but that's no excuse. A friend of mine was beaten up over a pizza slice one night walking home. I woke up one morning to the sound of some prostitute shagging a drunk guy.
Torontonians in general are a very up themselves. I met a dew nice Canadians in Toronto but most of them either fall into the metrosexual crowd or the "I have no identity, wow you're Irish, I'm Irish too" crowd. I do emphasis that I did meet a few nice Canadians there. Not many but there are some.
As for the weather, the humidity will KILL YOU during the summer and the Canadians I met say that the winter is terrible because it's so cold and when it snows, they can't clean the streets properly and you end up with this mess of ****, rubbish and snow.

Now the good...
Niagara falls - Canadian side looks so much better than the American side.
Quebec - I went with a bunch of friends on a long weekend (3 day) trip through Quebec. We were in Montreal and Quebec City and I have to say that these are two of the most beautiful, relaxed cities I'v ever been in. We toured around the cites, climbed a big hill/mountain in Montreal (the view was amazing) and we rented out bikes in Quebec (I think it was Quebec anyway). Both these cities are very clean, have a great athmosphere about them and the people really are friendly. The French barrier isn't that bad either as most locals speak English too. If you were looking to go live over in Canada I'd recommend one of the cities in Quebec. We didn't go to Ottowa but I hear it has a larger English speaking population while still being a beautiful city to live in.
I also went on a 2 week trip across Canada with 4 friends. We rented out a car and drove from Toronto out to the Canadian rockies and back again through America.
On my travels I have this to say....
Thunder Bay - fishing city nearest Canadian town west of Toronto. As bad as Toronto is, this place is worse. Spent one night there just to sleep. Never going to go back EVER.
The whole middle bit of Canadian is at first kinda cool with all the low, flat land for miles around. This gets boring very fast. Manitoba and Saskatchewan suck. There is nothing there except for trains and the occasional truck stop.
We camped in Calgary for a day and a night. Calgary seemed nice but we didn't get to see too much.
The Canadian Rockies are the most fantastic.... they're great. If I won that Euromillions two weeks ago, I'd be there right now. Bannf and Jasper park are beautiful. The lakes, the mountains, the hot springs, the wildlife, everything. We spent 5 days going around the Rockies and I'v never seen anything like it. When I do make my millions I will be buying a summer house out there for sure.
In conclusion... Canada is great but if you want to go to Toronto, don't. Go to Ottowa or one of the French cities. Toronto is a Canadian city trying to be American.

THEZAPPA · 11-08-2005 11:48AM

i love canadians...............MY BROTHER'S BEST FRIEND HE IS CANADIAN!

he is lovely.....and funny tooo........tbh i mite be going to canada to live......and i want to,but kirk (the canadian)says that in the schools they do have the typical groups......popular.....geeks....skaters.....drugie's......and all the rest!

i find hat so so so funny......id be a skater.....but if they have that maybe best to stay in ireland,.....with all my lovely peoples........

THEZAPPA · 11-08-2005 11:51AM

Bacchus wrote:

Now the good...
Niagara falls - Canadian side looks so much better than the American side.

yeh i was there,stayed in the radisson.....it was beautiful...i went underground to see the falls,wonderfall place!

drunkenfool · 11-08-2005 11:51AM

martha wrote:

Oh, that's right. Avril's a TRUE musician because she plays her own instruments and also writes her own songs. Actually, if you've bought her CD, you might notice that it states every song was co-written, meaning that someone helped Avril with the lyrics. Now, I'll admit that Avril might've penned some songs and then had to rewrite them with help from others. This still doesn't mean SHE wrote the songs. It means she wrote the first draft and some else turned it into the pop smash played on the radio. It's easy to write a song with helped, just pull out rhyming words and put them together. Singers do it all the time, but it doesn't make the song theirs.

Now, for the guitar. Avril has mentioned that she doesn't know the correct way to play a guitar, that she never bothered to learn and never will. Avril actually really can't play a guitar except for in one song. Go check her CD again. All of the music was recorded by someone else, and Avril only plays guitar in one song. Michelle Branch knows her guitar and knows how to play it. Vanessa Carlton knows her piano and knows how to play it. This makes them musicians. Strumming a guitar to one song and not even knowing how to really play doesn't mean you're a musician.

Another thing, that I believe, makes Avril a pre-packaged popstar is that is she's always labeling herself. She ALWAYS states she's a "skater punk" and makes sure everyone knows she a "rock star." Most musicians, much less singers, don't like to be labeled. And why would you? No one wants to just be put in a category. Avril does though. She works effortlessly to make sure she fits that "punk" genre. This seems fishy if you ask me. For a person that states she does what she wants and doesn't care what others think of her, this is unusual behavior.
Sorry buddy(american word by the way)

Theres alot of foolish talk there martha, and you might have to go back into your cage. Now im not sticking up for avril levigne, i dont like her music. But your being a hypocrite here, saying how much you dislike her and blah blah blah, but your the one who has the CD, and you know WAY too much about her, kinda scary for someone who claims they dont like her. Also, your trying to make yourself come accross as this cool "anti-corporate" girl hating "pre-packaged" music, however you said you like girls aloud which cant get anymore pre-packaged and is utterly **** music, manufactured for 10 year olds. Your music taste is beginging to mirror your personality.
As for her music being co-written, almost all music theses days is co-written, producers help along musicians to make the music better sounding, musicians are anything without a good producer.
Your saying that people dont like to be put in a category, this is utter bull****. You ask emiemem what kind of music he makes, hes hardly going to say "well i dont like to be put in any category" BULL****. Hes obviously going to say rap. Similar to the like of anyone, another example being aphex twin, i seriously doubt hed want to be categorised as Pop music. Avril obviously doesnt want to be seen as a stupid Pop girl similar to britney spears or the likes....
your talking crazy there martha.

martha · 11-08-2005 11:55AM

drunkenfool wrote:

Theres alot of foolish talk there martha, and you might have to go back into your cage. Now im not sticking up for avril levigne, i dont like her music. But your being a hypocrite here, saying how much you dislike her and blah blah blah, but your the one who has the CD, and you know WAY too much about her, kinda scary for someone who claims they dont like her. Also, your trying to make yourself come accross as this cool "anti-corporate" girl hating "pre-packaged" music, however you said you like girls aloud which cant get anymore pre-packaged and is utterly **** music, manufactured for 10 year olds. Your music taste is beginging to mirror your personality.
As for her music being co-written, almost all music theses days is co-written, producers help along musicians to make the music better sounding, musicians are anything without a good producer.
Your saying that people dont like to be put in a category, this is utter bull****. You ask emiemem what kind of music he makes, hes hardly going to say "well i dont like to be put in any category" BULL****. Hes obviously going to say rap. Similar to the like of anyone, another example being aphex twin, i seriously doubt hed want to be categorised as Pop music. Avril obviously doesnt want to be seen as a stupid Pop girl similar to britney spears or the likes....
your talking crazy there martha.

Yes,Yes I am.
Now kiss me you fool

THEZAPPA · 11-08-2005 11:58AM

martha wrote:

Yes,Yes I am.
Now kiss me you fool

i bet i know you,do you live in glenageary?????

drunkenfool · 11-08-2005 11:59AM

Bacchus wrote:

I'v only flicked through some of the comments made already so some what I have to say may have been said already.
I spent 4 months in Canada last year, Toronto to be specific. Toronto is a hole where people in suits go to race around like little rats so they can afford their crappy apartments with uber modern furniture etc. Seriously, the place has no life in it at all. There are NO decent pubs (never mind good pubs), the city is overrun with homeless and druggies. For those who question me, I lived 5 minutes away from Dundas Sq (the "Times Sq" of Toronto) and I would always come across druggies and homeless guys. I know you have them in every city but that's no excuse. A friend of mine was beaten up over a pizza slice one night walking home. I woke up one morning to the sound of some prostitute shagging a drunk guy.
Torontonians in general are a very up themselves. I met a dew nice Canadians in Toronto but most of them either fall into the metrosexual crowd or the "I have no identity, wow you're Irish, I'm Irish too" crowd. I do emphasis that I did meet a few nice Canadians there. Not many but there are some.
As for the weather, the humidity will KILL YOU during the summer and the Canadians I met say that the winter is terrible because it's so cold and when it snows, they can't clean the streets properly and you end up with this mess of ****, rubbish and snow.

Now the good...
Niagara falls - Canadian side looks so much better than the American side.
Quebec - I went with a bunch of friends on a long weekend (3 day) trip through Quebec. We were in Montreal and Quebec City and I have to say that these are two of the most beautiful, relaxed cities I'v ever been in. We toured around the cites, climbed a big hill/mountain in Montreal (the view was amazing) and we rented out bikes in Quebec (I think it was Quebec anyway). Both these cities are very clean, have a great athmosphere about them and the people really are friendly. The French barrier isn't that bad either as most locals speak English too. If you were looking to go live over in Canada I'd recommend one of the cities in Quebec. We didn't go to Ottowa but I hear it has a larger English speaking population while still being a beautiful city to live in.
I also went on a 2 week trip across Canada with 4 friends. We rented out a car and drove from Toronto out to the Canadian rockies and back again through America.
On my travels I have this to say....
Thunder Bay - fishing city nearest Canadian town west of Toronto. As bad as Toronto is, this place is worse. Spent one night there just to sleep. Never going to go back EVER.
The whole middle bit of Canadian is at first kinda cool with all the low, flat land for miles around. This gets boring very fast. Manitoba and Saskatchewan suck. There is nothing there except for trains and the occasional truck stop.
We camped in Calgary for a day and a night. Calgary seemed nice but we didn't get to see too much.
The Canadian Rockies are the most fantastic.... they're great. If I won that Euromillions two weeks ago, I'd be there right now. Bannf and Jasper park are beautiful. The lakes, the mountains, the hot springs, the wildlife, everything. We spent 5 days going around the Rockies and I'v never seen anything like it. When I do make my millions I will be buying a summer house out there for sure.
In conclusion... Canada is great but if you want to go to Toronto, don't. Go to Ottowa or one of the French cities. Toronto is a Canadian city trying to be American.

Most of what you have said about toronto happens in every big city. If you look at statistics toronto has a far lower crime rate then a city of its size. Maybe it was a bit scary for a little cork lad!! Messing... you were probably staying in a fairly rough part of town, any big city with alot of prossies around gernerally aint that nice!! And as for people running around in suits trying to pay for a ****ty apartment.... look at dublin, dublins way worse for that.
You left out vancouver as well, thats a damn nice city. Lots of druggies though as in every city.... you probably just dont like big cities.

martha · 11-08-2005 12:00PM

THEZAPPA wrote:

i bet i know you,do you live in glenageary?????

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THEZAPPA · 11-08-2005 12:06PM

martha wrote:

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ha ha ha ha

joejoem · 11-08-2005 12:07PM

martha wrote:

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Martha you are entertainer of the year, very funny posts. I can picture you furiously typing each one.

THEZAPPA · 11-08-2005 12:10PM

joejoem wrote:

Martha you are entertainer of the year, very funny posts. I can picture you furiously typing each one.

true joejoem..........i can see it myself!

(helen starts laughing)

Bacchus · 11-08-2005 12:10PM

Drunkenfool:
I'm not from Cork.
I'm not a big fan of Dublin either, though it is growing on me.
I didn't go to Vancouver so I can't say anything about it, although I hear it is very nice.
You are right though, I do have a slight tendancy to not like bigger cities. I much prefer places like Galway and Cork. Even Dublin isn't that bad. Toronto was a hell hole though for me and my friends living there. There is nothing to do in that city. No atmosphere about the place at all. Only time the place was a bit lively was the day of the European Cup final. We were in Portugal town for it and the place was jumping (even though they lost).

FrankGrimes · 11-08-2005 12:16PM

Have only had a chance to browse through this thread quickly but here’s my view of Canada as based only on my experience there on a 2 week holiday in Toronto, Algonquin, Ottawa and Montreal:

-from a consumer’s perspective it IS America – same shops, same layout of malls, slightly cheaper prices etc. However, this point could easily be made about Ireland mirroring the UK. One difference though was staff in Canadian shops lacked the enthusiasm and ‘have a nice day’ style of Americans – good or bad thing? You decide.

-it’s a beautiful country in many ways – canoe trip in Algonquin Provincial Park was spectacular.

-roads are surprisingly poor for such a big and modern country

-all 8 of me and my mates all felt that the Canadians we met largely lacked a certain ‘joie de vie’ – there was very little buzz off them at all. To be honest we found them a bit boring, serious and apathetic on the whole, though now that I think of it that is definitely truer of Ontario than Quebec.

-despite the protestations, people in certain areas (e.g. Algonquin and surrounding areas) most definitely do say ‘aboot’ instead of ‘about’ and ‘oot’ instead of ‘out’.

-The women in Montreal are truly astoundingly beautiful, I mean the women in Eastern Europe are hot, but these are just bubbling!

joejoem · 11-08-2005 12:18PM

THEZAPPA wrote:

i bet i know you,do you live in glenageary?????

This is something I need to get off my chest, I hate Glenageary, Avondale Road in Particular. So many fcuking hills. I hated it when I had to cycle to school, and I hate it now because I went over one of the speed ramps too fast the other night and fcuked up my brakes. :mad:

drunkenfool · 11-08-2005 12:26PM

yeah i heard that alright about the ladies in montreal, aparently there is a certain mix of races that you only get in that region and with their forces combined made the most beautiful of all women, captain planet, shes my hero.

Canada

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