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shacko · 04-08-2005 04:06PM #1

Lets get contrversioul was hitler right in principle

Drapper · 04-08-2005 04:08PM

lets learn how to spell first.....................

answer:- NO

simu · 04-08-2005 04:09PM

Wow. You are such a genius, OP.

stevenmu · 04-08-2005 04:09PM

Erm, no. That's not to say that every thing he ever did or said was wrong, but the main ones were. I can't see any possible justification for the holocost or for invading all the countries that he did.

Prior Of Taize · 04-08-2005 04:09PM

in his own mind he was. thats all that mattered to him. the way he went about it was the controversial part...

Deadwing · 04-08-2005 04:13PM

He was just an underachiever

Femelade · 04-08-2005 04:14PM

was he right in doing what?
are u serious like?

shacko · 04-08-2005 04:17PM

The reason I ask is I was watching the news at lunch time with a friend of mine When a segment can on about the Israelis Treatment of The Palestine's. Which Is a thundering Disgrace. MY mate commented that the only reason the Americans let Israel away with it is because of the power of Jewish Lobbies in America. Which after some careful Thought I had to agree with. But I do not believe that this warrants mass extermination

hawkmoon269 · 04-08-2005 04:20PM

shacko wrote:

The reason I ask is I was watching the news at lunch time with a friend of mine When a segment can on about the Israelis Treatment of The Palestine's. Which Is a thundering Disgrace. MY mate commented that the only reason the Americans let Israel away with it is because of the power of Jewish Lobbies in America. Which after some careful Thought I had to agree with. But I do not believe that this warrants mass extermination

Bloody hell. :mad:

PiE · 04-08-2005 04:21PM

Hitler had the right idea, he was just an underachiever.

Edit: Beaten to it

20 Times 20 Times · 04-08-2005 04:22PM

shacko wrote:

Lets get contrversioul was hitler right in principle

Im insulted that you even brought this question up and feel that the board would more then liekly be better off without your imput . The Fact that you ask this question insults many of our members here which i also find very insulting

zAbbo · 04-08-2005 04:23PM

stevenmu wrote:

Erm, no. That's not to say that every thing he ever did or said was wrong, but the main ones were. I can't see any possible justification for the holocost or for invading all the countries that he did.

And you'd think there would be conculsive evidence that Hitler ordered the 'holocost'

Or indeed that the 'holocost' was as devasting as we believe.

I'm pretty open minded, but can't find any conclusive evidence for much of the jewish extermination during World War II.(the holocost that was claimed to have happened during WWII, not the ones claimed to have happened during the start of the 20th century)

Very interesting topic indeed.

KTRIC · 04-08-2005 04:23PM

Mass extermination has been going on in one way or another for thousands of years. What Hitler did was no different to what the English, American and other races did throughout history.

What Hitler did is try to preserve his country's identity and make them stronger. Unfortuantly he was slightly insane and didn't go about it the right way.

hawkmoon269 · 04-08-2005 04:26PM

BazH and KTRIC, your posts disturb me, it is all the more reprehensible coming from people that apparently have a few brain cells to rub together unlike the benighted thread-starter, and one of you is even a moderator.

Truly disturbing.

hawkmoon269 · 04-08-2005 04:28PM

K-TRIC wrote:

What Hitler did is try to preserve his country's identity and make them stronger.

Preserve his country from WHAT exactly? Underlying your post is racism and anti-semitism, whether you realise it or not.

shacko · 04-08-2005 04:29PM

Sarge wrote:

Im insulted that you even brought this question up and feel that the board would more then liekly be better off without your imput . The Fact that you ask this question insults many of our members here which i also find very insulting

This is a classic Knee Jeark reaction without any thought. Brought about by the demonisation of a Mad Man. It's only though open disscusion that we can learn. Hitler Was admititky Insane, But what he did is not that dissimilar to what the Isrealies have been doing to the Palestinions In the Last 30 years. Ket us not also forget the members of Irish Defence Forces MURDERED under orders from the Israli Goverment

shacko · 04-08-2005 04:31PM

BazH and KTRIC elements of ur posts disturb me also. However I do reconise they need to be discussed openly and trutfully as opposed to be Dismissed out of hand

KTRIC · 04-08-2005 04:33PM

hawkmoon269 wrote:

Preserve his country from WHAT exactly? Underlying your post is racism and anti-semitism, whether you realise it or not.

There is nothing racist or anti-semeticn in my statment. Care to enlighten me oh wise one.

stevenmu · 04-08-2005 04:34PM

bazH wrote:

And you'd think there would be conculsive evidence that Hitler ordered the 'holocost'

Or indeed that the 'holocost' was as devasting as we believe.

I'm pretty open minded, but can't find any conclusive evidence for much of the jewish extermination during World War II.(the holocost that was claimed to have happened during WWII, not the ones claimed to have happened during the start of the 20th century)

Very interesting topic indeed.

I assume that there is at least strong, if not conclusive evidence, both of the approximate extent of the holocost and Hitler's responsibility for it. I don't know what this evidence is, but the conventional wisdom is that the holocost was really bad and that Hitler was ultimately responsible for it, or most of it at least, he wasn't the only one. The whole subject has been investigated more than probably any other event in history so I'm sure if there wasnt good evidence, there'd be lots of disseenting views.

(and yes, I know assumption is the mother of all f**kups)

Dagnir Glaurung · 04-08-2005 04:35PM

Loads of this "Hitler the Madman" stuff is propaganda he spread himself. He never really had a lot of concrete aims(look how much time he devotes on Jews in Mein Kampf compared to other stuff. Even the little he included was what every other right-wing arse had been saying for years). Yes, he went mad and starting killing the Jews but it's not like it was his only aim in life. And he didn't mean to start the war.

beanyb · 04-08-2005 04:36PM

The fact that the Israeli's murder people is absolutely no justification for the slaughter of millions of Jews.

I do feel for the Palestinians who were basically thrown out of their land due to the guilt of the western world in the aftermath of the holocaust, they've been screwed over, no doubt about it. But I personally think it is impossible to ever justify killing people just on the basis that they are of one ethnicity or another, be they Jewish, Albanian, Palestinian or whatever.

hawkmoon269 · 04-08-2005 04:37PM

K-TRIC wrote:

There is nothing racist or anti-semeticn in my statment. Care to enlighten me oh wise one.

Your suggestion was that Hitler was motivated largely by a simple desire to try to preserve his country's identity. You further suggested that he just went about it the wrong way, carrying the implication that you do not have a particular problem with his ideas, just with the ways that he implemented them.

Hitler's regime murdered millions of Jews, gays, gypies, etc, purely because they were deemed 'Untermenschen'. That has nothing WHATEVER to do with trying to preserve the identity of a country (whatever that means) it is nothing but racism based on a twisted ideology.

It's as simple as that.

hawkmoon269 · 04-08-2005 04:38PM

beanyb wrote:

The fact that the Israeli's murder people is absolutely no justification for the slaughter of millions of Jews.

I do feel for the Palestinians who were basically thrown out of their land due to the guilt of the western world in the aftermath of the holocaust, they've been screwed over, no doubt about it. But I personally think it is impossible to ever justify killing people just on the basis that they are of one ethnicity or another, be they Jewish, Albanian, Palestinian or whatever.

All good points.

stevenmu · 04-08-2005 04:39PM

shacko wrote:

The reason I ask is I was watching the news at lunch time with a friend of mine When a segment can on about the Israelis Treatment of The Palestine's. Which Is a thundering Disgrace. MY mate commented that the only reason the Americans let Israel away with it is because of the power of Jewish Lobbies in America. Which after some careful Thought I had to agree with. But I do not believe that this warrants mass extermination

I fail to see how the disgracefull treatment of the Palistinians by the Israeli government could lead you to believe Hitler was right. Two wrongs don't make a right etc.. etc.. You're also forgetting/ignoring/not aware that many Isaraelis protest against their own governments actions against the Palistinians and these groups have grown in power over the last few years, and are probably largely responsible for the current peace process there.

Cake Fiend · 04-08-2005 04:42PM

hawkmoon269 wrote:

BazH and KTRIC, your posts disturb me, it is all the more reprehensible coming from people that apparently have a few brain cells to rub together unlike the benighted thread-starter, and one of you is even a moderator.

Truly disturbing.

Why do you bring up the fact that BazH is a moderator? Why do people think this has any relevance whatsoever to a person's posts? He's not even the moderator of this board for Jaysus' sake, nor a moderator of any regular viewable board. This is a pet hate of mine. Or am I out of line calling you on this, seeing as I'm one of those supposedly do-gooder moderators? :rolleyes:

The fact that you seem to believe that a moderator should be bound to a certain kind of lefty opinion range because of their commitment to the particular board they moderate is truly disturbing.

mr_angry · 04-08-2005 04:42PM

stevenmu wrote:

Erm, no. That's not to say that every thing he ever did or said was wrong, but the main ones were. I can't see any possible justification for the holocost or for invading all the countries that he did.

Volkswagon? That worked out pretty well...

weemcd · 04-08-2005 04:44PM

it takes more than one man to carry out a genoicde...

there are more to blame than just hitler

Sarky · 04-08-2005 04:47PM

I find this thread offensive, and have reported it. There's nothing funny about the Holocaust, you sick bastards. My own granduncle died in a concentration camp.

He broke his neck falling out of a guard tower.

Pighead · 04-08-2005 04:48PM

I can't get over the seemingly endless fascination for, and worse, grudging or even outright respect for, Hitler, these lads seem to base their argument that even the worst of people have good in them. Whether or not such a claim is justified, the actions and consequences of the actions of monsters such as Hitler and Haughey should never be forgotten, , or worse still, distorted into a lie about their good intentions or good effects. Monsters should always be clearly labelled as such, and condemned. Even Genghis Khan had a mother who might have loved him--small reason to excuse tearing men limb from limb and drinking their blood.
Is that kernel i hear posting?

hawkmoon269 · 04-08-2005 04:51PM

Sico wrote:

Why do you bring up the fact that BazH is a moderator? Why do people think this has any relevance whatsoever to a person's posts? He's not even the moderator of this board for Jaysus' sake, nor a moderator of any regular viewable board. This is a pet hate of mine. Or am I out of line calling you on this, seeing as I'm one of those supposedly do-gooder moderators? :rolleyes:

The fact that you seem to believe that a moderator should be bound to a certain kind of lefty opinion range because of their commitment to the particular board they moderate is truly disturbing.

Guess what, you have a fair point.

With the exception of a few sub-boards like the politics section, the commuting/transport section, the motoring section, and a couple of other sections where the moderators are pretty intelligent people, the moderators here are rather poor.

So yeah, you have a point. It's unrealistic on my part to expect high standards from the moderators here, and I evidently need to revise my already not very high opinion of the quality of the moderatorship here in a downward direction.

As for the idea that critics of Hitler are all within 'a certain kind of lefty opinion range', I'm pretty much speechless at comment. Your 'point' is so absurd that it just floored me.

KTRIC · 04-08-2005 04:51PM

hawkmoon269 wrote:

Your suggestion was that Hitler was motivated largely by a simple desire to try to preserve his country's identity. You further suggested that he just went about it the wrong way, carrying the implication that you do not have a particular problem with his ideas, just with the ways that he implemented them.

Hitler's regime murdered millions of Jews, gays, gypies, etc, purely because they were deemed 'Untermenschen'. That has nothing WHATEVER to do with trying to preserve the identity of a country (whatever that means) it is nothing but racism based on a twisted ideology.

It's as simple as that.

What I ment by "going about it the wrong way" is the fact that he did infact kill millions of inocent people. I did not condone his actions in any of my posts. He did cleanse the population of sub-humans because he thought they were the reason Germany was going through a recession before the war. He also detested the idea that Germans would interact with these people and have children. It is not a crime to try to keep one's identitiy, but it is to murder your neighbour because he is a different race.

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