Will there be a new generation of young Irish leaving the country?

MorningStar wrote:

Actually the people who resent living in Dublin and complain all the time about how it's a dive are the worst IMHO. Nothing worse than a bogger who wishes they didn't live here and say that things are better outside the city and in any other city. The Dublin born and bred are at least ill educated so their is some excuse. When educated people have a chip on their shoulder I find it worse. What many people fail to understand while things have changed part of the problem is people grow up and it is you who change the most first and foremost.

Everywhere has problems and somtimes it is you who has the problem.

I wouldn't say that everyone who's complaining resents living in Dublin, or anywhere in Ireland. People are fed-up with the rip off culture that has emerged from the celtic tiger. Yes there have been good things to come out of it, anyone that wants to work can now work. But at the same time prices have escalated at a ridiculous rate, far more than most people's salaries have risen. You only need to ask the majority of people who are working, there's nothing left at the end of the month. Families where there is only 1 person working are struggling to cope. The government have done a good job at getting jobs into Ireland and they have kept alot of people happy with the SSIA's and tax reductions throughout the last few years. Yet we still have a poor health system & poor public infastructure. Bus's and trains are a joke, if you live in the country and are lucky enough to be close to a train station the only place you can go is Dublin and that's on an old diesel train. Do a comparison of Ireland now and 15 years ago, health and transport facilities haven't changed much, but the prices have.
You only need to live abroad for a while until you realise how much you are being ripped off. Insurance, groceries, clothes, communication, entertainment, etc... And the sad thing is most people are happy to accept that!

MorningStar wrote:

Actually the people who resent living in Dublin and complain all the time about how it's a dive are the worst IMHO. Nothing worse than a bogger who wishes they didn't live here and say that things are better outside the city and in any other city. The Dublin born and bred are at least ill educated so their is some excuse. When educated people have a chip on their shoulder I find it worse. What many people fail to understand while things have changed part of the problem is people grow up and it is you who change the most first and foremost.

Everywhere has problems and somtimes it is you who has the problem.

Hey, I like living in Dublin at the moment! No, I was just saying the 'born in Dublin, bred in Dublin, never willing to leave Dublin' brigade are often less interesting and fun people to engage with than those who have lived abroad and experienced more of life...IN MY HONEST OPINION, before someone jumped down my throat You see the same thing in many big cities, I knew a few New Yorkers who have never lived elsewhere and physically blanch at the thought of moving away from the Big Apple, which I find fairly pathetic.

MorningStar wrote:

You should look up the word resent. You resent being ripped off from everything you say. Prices have gone up but some people seem to think it is all completely unreasonable. I don't subscribe to this belief that all things have gone up in price and that it is a rip-off "culture". How is it a culture? It's a business practice at most. Irish salaries, properties, employment were all some of the lowest in the EU in the 80s things are therfore cheaper than ever before because people can buy them! THey are more expensive than every where else because wages are the highest. There is extra profit being made here but don't belive the media hype that everything is a rip off. Economies of scale is one of our problems and it is never considered. Unless you break down costs in Ireland you don't know it is a rip off you just think it is.

OK, maybe resent was the wrong word to use there. I love Ireland, great place, great people and great fun. But while living there I was on what was considered the "average" salary and I was scraping by at the end of the month and it wasn't like I was living the high life. Just rent, transport, bills, food, few drinks at the weekend. I'm now on the same wage here, doing the same things and I have alot extra cash at the end of the month. I don't read into the media hype, I just see it as it is!

MorningStar wrote:

Well it proabably isn't the average wage there but a higher wage in relationship to there. The average wage in Ireland is different from the average wage in Dublin. Not every country has such a city divide but where it does it needs to be considered.
If you "see it as it is" and don't examine it you might miss something. You should never just look at the surface. High minimum wage makes things expensive but more people benifit. I hear people go on about how good life is in the US. What people miss is the people at the bottom. Here we have automatic machines to issue tickets into car parks. In the use they use people! Why? It is cheaper to hire somebody than buy the machine. THe person working there probably works 3 or 4 jobs to survive. I have never seen poverty like I saw in the US in any other western country.

I'm not sure what the average wage here is but I don't think I am far off. Maybe I am missing something but here in Germany everyone can get by. They have a ridiculous welfare system, in that it is too generous. I know it's a bigger country so has more tax to pay for good infrastructure, health, etc. But I still think Ireland is being ripped off for things like insurance, groceries, entertainment, etc. I read just last week a magazine here that was talking about all the major festivals in Europe and gave prices for them. Oxygen was the most expensive by a good bit, even though some of the other festivals were over 3 days with big acts as well. That's just 1 example that came to me. But people will still pay! The first time any friend or family member visits me, they always without fail comment on how cheap they find things!

OK, Germany has a high unemployment, but the majority of those are unskilled people. Plus with the social welfare system being the way it is, anyone who was a high earner in their previous job will get more social aid than if they were to take the jobs that are available. Ridiculous system. The Irish government has done an excellent job with education, no one can deny that and that is the foundation to our low unemployment. The concert prices was just something that was fresh in mind from reading it last week, there are so many more examples. Felixhdc pointed out the price of Jameson in the Canarys. I can buy 2 1L bottles in my supermarket here for €28, less than price of 1 bottle at home. I could last year purchase a Dell PC (made in Ireland and shipped over) for less than in Ireland and that is taking the tax difference into account. I don't see why an exported Irish product is cheaper than at home!
Yes, Germany were able to build from scratch after the war. But look at Ireland before the boom took off. There weren't as many houses and estates around, but people have been let build houses and estates anywhere with ease without any thought for roads or rail. This was greed on everyone's part. Roads and rail links could have been built during the boom of the 90's. Now we are at a stage where building a road costs way over what it should, greedy farmers, people against the roads because of where there houses are located, greedy companies, etc. Look at the Luas, how did it cost so much. The Australians were able to put a track from the north to the south through the outback for the same price.