Will there be a new generation of young Irish leaving the country?

canavanbn@hotma · 02-08-2005 03:43PM #1

I’m curious, with the cost of living so high and so many young people with supposedly ‘good’ jobs struggling to buy property, start families and the like due to prices etc do you think we will see people leaving as they the cost of living will be lower abroad, and overall they will have a higher standard of living?
Also, is there any country or occupation abroad which still offers young Irish people the chance to work abroad make good money and not loose its value when converted into euro?
I want to travel, but don’t want to come back to/or with nothing.

MorningStar · 02-08-2005 04:08PM

You need to understand why people left before. It was mostly to do with unemployment and most people wanted to stay close to their family. A lot of people came back which might indicate that home is home. Some people will leave due to conditions but nothing like in the 80s

Lump · 02-08-2005 04:13PM

I left, for college now working in england. Cause Ireland sucks for media jobs, unless I go and work for RTE

AHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaha.....

John

Coolésin · 02-08-2005 04:16PM

well I cant wait till I turn 18 so I can get the hell out of here..want to go to UCLA personally :P

karlh · 02-08-2005 04:22PM

the country has turned into an expensive, soulless nightmare.

i'm out asap!

MorningStar · 02-08-2005 04:24PM

Lump wrote:

I left, for college now working in england. Cause Ireland sucks for media jobs, unless I go and work for RTE

AHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaha.....

Yes but there are additional two channels now and a third on the way with another mentioned recently. You don't need to work for RTE now. The current youth have more opportunity now and don't realise it.
With the way the media tells things here people will leave bitching and moaning the whole way and comeback when they realise Ireland isn't that bad.

MorningStar · 02-08-2005 04:28PM

karlh wrote:

the country has turned into an expensive, soulless nightmare.

i'm out asap!

Your not old enough to know that

You need to know what it was like when there was no jobs.

25 isn't old enough sorry!

pickarooney · 02-08-2005 04:32PM

Can't see myself ever moving back, but maybe the next geneartion will, who knows.

Kintarō Hattori · 02-08-2005 04:38PM

Ireland's not a bad place, contrary to what people think. It is just expensive. Lately I've been thinking about buying a house, and with the cost of living here as opposed to other countries, I'm seriously thinking of moving abroad. Property is so much more expensive.
I've always wondered what my dream in life was, and as simple and perhaps pittiful as it is, I've just realised what it is. I'd like to own my own house. And not with a 30 year mortage.

Of course people will always say the grass is greener on the other side, and that is true to a certain extent. The simple fact is, property here is just insanely expensive, so yes, I think you will see a certain portion of young Irish people, go abroad and leave Ireland behind.

Goodshape · 02-08-2005 04:44PM

I left for Prague about a year ago.. don't ever plan on spending too much time in Ireland again to be honest (I probably will in fairness, just don't 'plan to' as such).

Prague is great. Things run on time, all the time. Public transport is as close to free as makes no difference - you buy tickets which start at 40c for 30mins (a recent increase from 24c... scandal!) and can be used on any tram / bus / metro within the time period... actual ticket inspectors are so rare you can usually get away without... The fine if you're caught is around €15.

Some things (an increasing amount actually, even in the short time I've been here) are a bit expensive when put up against the average Czech wage - luxury items like CD's / DVD's don't tend to be any cheaper - but normal living is definitely easier I find. Things like rent, food and, of course, beer are never a problem money-wise.

Not that any of the above is reason for me being here (or not being in Ireland). I figure 20+ years in one place, I can afford to spend a fair few somewhere else. Where to next is the only question.

I think a lot of people will leave but as MorningStar said the reasons are different. More out of opportunity than necessity these days. A lot will return home when they're finished 'seeing the world'.

sionnach · 02-08-2005 04:44PM

I'm probably gonna move to Toronto once I'm fully qualified for my profession, Dublin just isn't my kind of place.

KTRIC · 02-08-2005 04:48PM

Current plan is to buy a house and sell it in a year or so then move to Germany with my missus. Just need to brush up on my German first.

galwaydude · 02-08-2005 05:01PM

im off to the states next spring for a year at least and then live between here and the states

Sparky · 02-08-2005 05:20PM

ill probably move to Las vegas in the next couple of years, thats if things get worse over here, i have my aunt and cousins in LV so at least there will be some family of mine over there.

Scubadevils · 02-08-2005 05:35PM

I am off to the Canary Islands in about September with the wife and baby, sick of the rat race here and just want to take a break from it all for a while. The plan is to stay for at least a year anyway and then see what happens. Selling our house to clear all debts and finance the trip, we will also be able to keep enough for a deposit should we end up coming home - the money made on the house we would have never had so the logic is to enjoy it and be debt free!

Sparky · 02-08-2005 05:40PM

Felixdhc wrote:

I am off to the Canary Islands in about September with the wife and baby, sick of the rat race here and just want to take a break from it all for a while. The plan is to stay for at least a year anyway and then see what happens. Selling our house to clear all debts and finance the trip, we will also be able to keep enough for a deposit should we end up coming home - the money made on the house we would have never had so the logic is to enjoy it and be debt free!

Id probably spend a few months in las vegas to get the feel of the place, organise a few things then decide on moving.

Scubadevils · 02-08-2005 05:46PM

We have been over a few times so just decided to take the plunge full on so to speak. Its a big world and life is short so if we decide we don't like living there so be it, can't say we didn't try!

Sparky · 02-08-2005 05:48PM

Felixdhc wrote:

We have been over a few times so just decided to take the plunge full on so to speak. Its a big world and life is short so if we decide we don't like living there so be it, can't say we didn't try!

Well honestly, good luck with your plans, did you organise like places to stay etc before you go over or do you know someone over there?

Scubadevils · 02-08-2005 05:54PM

Sparky_S wrote:

Well honestly, good luck with your plans, did you organise like places to stay etc before you go over or do you know someone over there?

We are going out on a 2 week holiday and have several long term rental properties to view when we get there. Have been in touch with lots of expats out there and they all seem more than willing to assist as they have been there themselves. Was a little worried that we may not get a rental property in the 2 weeks but I have been assured by several agents out there that it will not be a problem.

Sparky · 02-08-2005 06:26PM

well good luck and fairs due to ya, for doing so, like you say lifes short, so live it.

Scubadevils · 02-08-2005 06:57PM

Sparky_S wrote:

well good luck and fairs due to ya, for doing so, like you say lifes short, so live it.

Thanks a million, looking forward to it now!

Best of luck too if you decide to go to Las Vegas.

Sparky · 02-08-2005 06:59PM

Felixdhc wrote:

Thanks a million, looking forward to it now!

Best of luck too if you decide to go to Las Vegas.

Cheers.

jester77 · 03-08-2005 08:19AM

Well, I've already moved, on same salary as I was at home. In Germany now, cheaper rent, cheaper calls, trains and bus's arrive when they say they will arrive and very frequently, weather is better, excellent health care, no speed limits on the motorway, proper broadband at good price, cheaper shopping, great value when eating out, cheap beer, no hangover, only 2 hours away from home, world cup next summer...

Real · 03-08-2005 08:39AM

My GF and I are moving to New Jersey on the 15th.

Cant wait to get out of this overpriced, miserable begrudging place (of course we will rent out our house in case we need to come home)

I shouldnt complain too much about Ireland, the main reason for our move is to experience a completly new place. Money and quality of life are big factors too. Although we both have reasonably good jobs here we still find we are out of cash at the end of the month. Saving some cash is impossible here. If we had kids or if one of us were sick we couldnt survive long.

My advice is go if you have the opportunity. You only live once and you can always come back.

lucernarian · 03-08-2005 08:51AM

I never knew how bad the '80s were for opportunities and money except through Reeling in the Years and teachers mentioning it every so often. Believe me, the large majority of my generation haven't even considered emigration. At most, people my age think about travelling the world before or after college.

I just hope that Ireland will not see economic hardship like there was in the past. I read that 95% of income tax receipts in 1985 went to servicing the national debt. Now that would be bad.

galwaydude · 03-08-2005 09:02AM

duplicate post, woops!!!!

galwaydude · 03-08-2005 09:02AM

cant wait to go to the states next march with my GF, off to boston next month to sort out my visa.

Everyone should experience living abroad as it opens your eyes

In saying that ireland is a fantastic place to live just a tad too expensive.

magpie · 03-08-2005 09:06AM

Staying put - there's more room now with you lot all going.

MorningStar · 03-08-2005 09:40AM

To_be_confirmed wrote:

I never knew how bad the '80s were for opportunities and money except through Reeling in the Years and teachers mentioning it every so often. Believe me, the large majority of my generation haven't even considered emigration. At most, people my age think about travelling the world before or after college.

I just hope that Ireland will not see economic hardship like there was in the past. I read that 95% of income tax receipts in 1985 went to servicing the national debt. Now that would be bad.

Amazing! Somebody who actually realises that Ireland has improved and they weren't around to remember it. If only everybody actually thought about things before moaning about the country that provided them with education that allows them to work in other countries.
I remeber being in school when they told us things like when you leave the country don't forget to buy Irish to help us out back here.
The vast majority of parents now grew up in the 80s and are now buying their kids EVERYTHING becasue they remember having nothing. This is causing some problems with spoilt and over weight kids. Instead of running out of the country maybe people should address the problems and try and make the country better. It's a lot easier to leave and moan than fix the problem. Listen to me I sound just like the Bull McCabe

BossArky · 03-08-2005 09:43AM

People leave the country nowadays because they see the opportunities that exist abroad, plus the excitement of exploring new locations.

Ireland is not a bad place to live I guess, but who wants to spend their entire life on this grassy lump when there is so much else to see? It has been mentioned above --> after spending about 20+ years in Ireland at school / Uni it is time to get out and broaden the horizons. Spending a week or two on holidays is no comparison to actually living in a foreign culture for at least year or two.

You can usually see current characteristics in people who have or have not travelled. Employers see this too.

ionapaul · 03-08-2005 09:58AM

You are right, there is a world of difference between those who have lived abroad for a few years and those who have stayed put, particularly the 'born in Dublin, bred in Dublin, never plan to leave Dublin' brigade! I certainly know who I'd rather hang out with at a party...

Will there be a new generation of young Irish leaving the country?

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