Is Ireland racist nation ??

solas · 16-07-2005 03:56PM

OHHH... you mean he's really referring to bogus asylum seekers...and not economic refugees.

duh..

Karl Hungus · 16-07-2005 04:23PM

solas wrote:

OHHH... you mean he's really referring to bogus asylum seekers...and not economic refugees.

duh..

I suppose if you insist on jumbling up the terms economic refugee and migrant worker, then yes.

solas · 16-07-2005 04:27PM

well.."economic refugee" is closer in definition to my understanding of migrant worker than a bogus asylum seeker.

Human rights and migrant workers
Why do they emigrate?

Poverty and the inability to earn enough or produce enough to support oneself or a family are major reasons behind the movement of work-seekers from one State to another. These are not only characteristics of migration from poor to rich States; poverty also fuels movements from one developing country to others where work prospects seem-at a distance, at least-to be better.

from here

Karl Hungus · 16-07-2005 04:41PM

solas wrote:

well.."economic refugee" is closer in definition to my understanding of migrant worker than a bogus asylum seeker.

Well as I've said, it's a poxy term and I'd far rather it said plainly when refering to bogus asylum seekers. Still, seeing as migrant workers don't apply for refugee status, I'd have a hard time refering to them as refugess, economic or otherwise.

I do see your logic though, but at the same time, when Gross Halfwit starts his post with "I do not mind foreign people coming over here to work" it's plain to see that he has no problem with migrant workers. I suppose it's all down to semantics.

randomfella · 17-07-2005 12:49AM

My best friend is black. I've only seen racism directed 2him specifically once. Most racism is underlying.

People are afraid 2say what they really think and express their feelings in smart comments to disguise the racist nature of what they say.

When it comes to the crunch on what people really think, the majority do have a racist attitude.

The worst is when people say 'i'm not a racist but.....(always followed by contradiction) "

I think things will get worse before they get better. Look at Britain, they a multicultural for years, and racist riots happened there few years ago. Apart from London where 1 in 3 is of ethnic minority, the rest of the country is similiar 2ireland.

Karl Hungus · 17-07-2005 12:51AM

randomfella wrote:

the rest of the country is similiar 2ireland.

Never been to Bradford then, have you?

kstanl · 17-07-2005 03:30PM

randomfella wrote:

People are afraid 2say what they really think and express their feelings in smart comments to disguise the racist nature of what they say.

When it comes to the crunch on what people really think, the majority do have a racist attitude.

I am becoming weary with this silly thought policing - "I haven't really seen much racism in Ireland but I know that people have a deep-down problem with other races/nationalities even though they never say it or act on it".

Irish people are NOT rascist. It's a ridiculous generalisation to make. The OP from The Netherlands obviously has a major chip on his shoulder or has been unlucky enough to have had some bad experiences. There are some rascist people in Ireland, as there are in every country the world over but they're in the tiny minority.

If you come to live in Dublin from Italy and people are constantly asking you where you're from because of your accent or looks, that does not consititute rascism. Maybe they're asking because they're interested in finding out more about you! Irish people are chatty and gregarious. Just because race or nationality is a topic of conversation, doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad thing.

Chucky the tree · 17-07-2005 07:29PM

Sparky_S wrote:

ive often heard people say that someday this country will be run by the foreigners

jaysus, you hang around with some very smart people.

Redleslie2 · 17-07-2005 10:18PM

BigEejit wrote:

if you are working you ass off to afford the basics in life and you see a foreigner get all that for nothing it will change your point of view VERY quickly.

This never happens.

Way too many pig ignorant scumbag yuppies running about here. I get a lift home from work with a black Brazilian guy and the amount of abuse he gets from random punters is disgusting. I am generally ashamed to be Irish, since being Irish seems to involve having a childish conservative servile peasant mentality.

PaulHughesWH · 17-07-2005 10:25PM

Redleslie2 wrote:

I am generally ashamed to be Irish, since being Irish seems to involve having a childish conservative servile peasant mentality.

Therein lies the key. You hate your own country, so how could you be naturally disposed to protecting something that you hate?

You're obviously one of these "no borders" socialists (aka another form of globalisation) - born with a silver spoon in your mouth, and spending your adult life thinking you are "intellectual" because you frequent SWP gatherings.

In fact, I would find it peculiar that you and your ilk bang on about anti-racism when you seem to have the most profound hatred of your own Irishness.

Redleslie2 · 17-07-2005 10:29PM

Thankyou for illustrating my point.

PaulHughesWH · 17-07-2005 10:35PM

Redleslie2 wrote:

Thankyou for illustrating my point.

:?

Keep your ideology to yourself, don't foist it on the rest of us.

Vikings · 17-07-2005 10:52PM

I didnt read this whole thread but something I saw just earlier tonight should be in here.

Superquinn car park in lucan, a family of maybe 10+ foreign (we concluded they were romanians) were raiding a clothes recycling bin (the big yellow, metal ones). They were lifting up their small children, putting them into this bin and the kids were handing out bags of clothes... god knows how the children got out. The romanians then proceeded to "shop" through all these clothes for what they wanted, leaving one huge mess in the middle of the car park.

Now, I have many foreign friends but its behaviour like this that fuels the feelings most irish have for immigrants.

Redleslie2 · 17-07-2005 11:07PM

At least Justin Barrett is a laughing stock throughout this country.

How's his pals, the NPD, doing over in Deutschland these days Paul?

SingingCherry · 17-07-2005 11:16PM

kstanl wrote:

Irish people are NOT rascist. It's a ridiculous generalisation to make. The OP from The Netherlands obviously has a major chip on his shoulder or has been unlucky enough to have had some bad experiences. There are some rascist people in Ireland, as there are in every country the world over but they're in the tiny minority.

I have no idea if racist people are of the majority or the minority in this country, but I do know that as a foreigner "some bad experiences" are going to land you in the position where you think that you are unwanted in Ireland.

I know I, more often than not, feel this way. I'm not the type with a chip on my shoulder about racist issues; I rarely think about my nationality but it is brought up to me in rude ways over and over again. Not in funny "slagging" ways, but in ways that make you want to get back on a plane and leave. Yes, there are some people who are just curious to what I am doing here, where I am working, what brought me to Ireland, and I find these people more than pleasant to talk to and I usually find out that they actually like my home country. It's a breath of fresh air compared to the people who like to make loud comments to their friends about you, how you should go home. Hell, I have even seen it on this board. Blantant bigoted comments that, even after I said something to him (or her? not sure), only apologized about me having seen it, and not that they said it and what they said was hurtful.

Luckily enough, I have found a small group of friends and have married into a wonderful family that doesn't pay any attention to the fact that I'm not Irish. It's a non-issue. But as far as Ireland being a racist country goes- I wouldn't pigeon-hole all Irish people as racist, but I don't think they are the minority as much as people seem to think.

madfistbt · 17-07-2005 11:26PM

I like Samantha Mumba and Paul McGraths a legend too, and that Nigerian driver the other night was a real nice fella.
Come on folks lighten up. And the person who started this thread have more faith in us Irish. I think weve dealt with becoming a multicultural society in such a short space of time pretty well, a lot better than other countries have.

kstanl · 18-07-2005 12:03AM

SingingCherry wrote:

But as far as Ireland being a racist country goes- I wouldn't pigeon-hole all Irish people as racist, but I don't think they are the minority as much as people seem to think.

No more so than any other country. That was my point. Compare racist/xenophobic attacks in Ireland to any other country in Europe and you'll see that, in fact, we're considerably less rascist than the Germans, Italians, British, etc.

PaulHughesWH · 18-07-2005 01:20AM

Redleslie2 wrote:

At least Justin Barrett is a laughing stock throughout this country.

How's his pals, the NPD, doing over in Deutschland these days Paul?

11,000 votes in Leinster alone when (i) without the machine of the party system and (ii) subject to a vigorous smear campaign is not exactly a laughing stock. Just remember that most Irish people do not subscribe to Dublin-4-esque enforced multiculturalism.

And as for the NPD, what has Barrett got to do with them? He spoke at a meeting in Passau on an anti-abortion ticket - media Commissars came up with the rest.

That argument is getting old, stop it lest I use the Stalin and 100-million-dead victims of Socialism cards.

solas · 18-07-2005 01:26AM

Hell, I have even seen it on this board. Blantant bigoted comments that, even after I said something to him (or her? not sure), only apologized about me having seen it, and not that they said it and what they said was hurtful.

yea..that was me. I did apologise if you took offense to what I said, in fact earlier in this thread I stated that I'm a tad anti american at the minute, but I di not make any personal attacks.
What I said that you found offensive was in response to observing a war mongering attitude comming from Irish youths with regard to northern Ireland. This is something that the majority of us have put behind us (especially with regard to advances and progress made over the last ten years) and watching that attitude surface again is in my opinion as a result of American attitudes picked up on the web. (the us against them one)

I believe this is the case and I don't feel that I need to apologise for having an opinion, but I am sorry if you found it offensive.

(considering the abuse and insults I've witnessed online by americans in the past I dont even feel guilty tbh)

Gazza22 · 18-07-2005 05:10AM

Yeah it's a shame to admit it but we are a racist country but i would class it as mild. when i say "we" i mean Ireland as a whole, i am certainly not a racist.

We dislike the travellers (i have to admit i do too, i dispise them but that is through past experiences with them)

We are now starting to pass remarks about the Spanish and Italian students who come here every summer and they are even being attacked now!

We make racist remarks about Asian and African people, i think this happens the most in this country and i have to say the worst offenders are wait for it, old age pensioners on the 123 bus!!! Yes i'm telling the truth...i have heard, on dozens of occasions at least one elderly person making a remark about what they deem "blackies" or "chinks" and how they are taking over our country and robbing our jobs...

Jaysus would they ever get a life, it's disgraceful

DAEDULUS · 18-07-2005 05:41AM

http://www.stormfront.org/ -> was linked to this page on another forum..

check out their forum aswell :O
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/index.php?

makes me so angry

-- edit

it gets worse,there are actually freaks like this in Ireland

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=41

Redleslie2 · 18-07-2005 06:40AM

PaulHughesWH wrote:

And as for the NPD, what has Barrett got to do with them?

"Justin Barrett was an honorary guest at our event in Passau. I invited him. He sat with the delegates," said Mr Holger Apfel, the deputy leader of the NPD. "We have been in contact with his group since 1996. We are friendly with his Youth Defence organisation."."

The Irish Times has learned that in addition to his NPD contacts, Mr Barrett has a long-standing relationship with the party's youth organisation, the Young National Democrats (JN), a recruiting ground for the NPD. Mr Sascha Rossmüller, leader of JN, said he had been in contact with Mr Barrett "for several years". Youth Defence "shares many important interests" with the JN and is "an important part of our international network", said Mr Rossmüller. Other organisations in the network include the National Front in Britain and Italy's extremist group, Forza Nuova.

Your fuhrer is a lying slimy nazi toerag tbh.

Now, what's your view (or rather your fuhrer's view) on the topic?

bug · 18-07-2005 11:48AM

Hrm.
Are Irish people racist, perhaps some of them are yes.
My personal feelings are that multiculturalism and integration must go hand in hand, otherwise multiculturalism doesn’t work.
If X amount of migrants come to this country then X amount of money should be spent trying to introduce community initiatives to get culturally diverse communities to liase with each other. Therefore irradiating fear and introducing education regarding people’s backgrounds and culture.
If that doesn’t happen then you have a them and us scenario.

Oh and also, if you have hundreds of thousands of migrants from a particular cultural background living in your country, it’s not really a good idea to go and invade countries, which they have an affiliation with. Sorry, had to say it.

Gross Halfwit · 18-07-2005 12:10PM

In every country and in every group you are always going to get racist people. Its a fact of life. Not everyone on the planet is tolerant/accepting of other races, religions etc. but that is no reason to tar everyone with the same brush.

I have seen Romanian Gypsies begging on the street and then going into McDonalds for lunch. If they were so poor and so hungry why aint they getting bread and milk with it you know? I livein Blanch and the houses are expensive enough out here but I saw a Gypsy getting off a 39 from town with a folding chair just jingling with change! Why are we importing beggars? The problem I have is half with spongers and half with the Irish Government for allowing this to happen and for not being a little more hardline when it came to who we take in.

I work in a multi-cultural environment. The team I work with consists of 3 Irish(Me Included), 1 Romanian, 1 American, 2 Polish, 2 Indian, 2 Spanish, 2 French and 1 Iranian. I get along well with all of them and I they are my friends. We go out for beers.

I think its a case of a few bad apples spoiling the whole damned barrell on both sides of the fence. Domestic and Foreign.

meditraitor · 18-07-2005 12:20PM

DAEDULUS wrote:

http://www.stormfront.org/ -> was linked to this page on another forum..

check out their forum aswell :O
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/index.php?

makes me so angry

-- edit

it gets worse,there are actually freaks like this in Ireland
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=41

The old addage "dropped on the head when they were baby's" comes into mind when I read these sites. their a joke, and even acknowledging them is too much( i see the irony in that last statement but )

Ania · 18-07-2005 12:29PM

I have never been a victim of racism in Ireland. I'm quite surprised that some guys here say the Irish are racist.
That's certainly not my impression of Irish people.
But then, I'm white and I have blonde hair, so I am less easily recognized as a non Irish than other immigrants.

HarryHoudini · 18-07-2005 12:54PM

I think we are one generation away from becoming a non-racist nation.
It seems to me that the majority of it comes from the over 50 age group who grew up in different times and generally dont know any better.
I see it in work here and upon overhearing conversations on the street.

I definetely think things are changing for the better and I'm really pleased that Ireland is becomming multicultural. I mean check out all the hot asian girls on the streets these days

who I have to say, have the best dress sense in the whole country, they could teach Irish girls a thing or two.

WhiteWashMan · 18-07-2005 02:09PM

i believe that the irish as a nationa re disposed towards racism, most any thread on these boards that involves americans or english will have aplethora of people shouting out stupid americans and english people are.

i think its more intolerance than anything else.

like talking, people should learn to put the brain in gear before engaging their fingers\mouths...

dlofnep · 18-07-2005 02:21PM

This is all blown out of proportion, the only reason why we think we are a racist nation is because it's only recently we've come in contact with other races. I remember when I grew up, I had never seen a black person in my life other than on TV. When I told my friends in America of this, they laughed.

Speaking of America, when I was there we went to this house party and there was this Canadian guy there - They cracked racist jokes at him all night. Some people also seem to dislike mexicans depending on what state you were in. Not all, but some.

In England there is a strong distain for people from pakistan and anyone not british. I've heard them make cracks at Irish people there - It's not all one way from Ireland to England.

When I was in Spain I noticed alot of hate towards the average white guy, We are gringos, putas. The French seem to dislike Americans and the Americans dislike the French.

Black people have a distain for white people because of ancestors who oppressed their ancestors. I'm not trying to stereotype entire races, but from what I've personally seen in my years of travelling, this has been the case.

So no, Ireland is no more racist than the next. If anything, we are a warm country. I've heard nothing but good words about anyone who has ever visited Ireland.

meditraitor · 18-07-2005 02:24PM

WhiteWashMan wrote:

i believe that the irish as a nationa re disposed towards racism, most any thread on these boards that involves americans or english will have aplethora of people shouting out stupid americans and english people are.

i think its more intolerance than anything else.

like talking, people should learn to put the brain in gear before engaging their fingers\mouths...

Good point, A couple of weeks ago I was a club and there was a couple of black dudes sitting near our table, anyway a friend's missus was on her way back from the toilet and one of them gave her a slap on the arse(carry on type of slap), I seen this and the first thing that came out of my mouth was(to the boyfriend of the girl) was " did ye see what that ****ing N*****r did" well to cut a long story short the two blacks were removed from the club.
Is this a reason to use this phrase or was I out of order, was I being racist, i have a feeling I was! , even though I dont think of myself as being one!!!!

Is Ireland racist nation ??

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