Is Ireland racist nation ??

Deadwing · 15-07-2005 09:43PM

'no blacks'
'no dogs'
'no irish'

we werent exactly welcomed with open arms everywhere :rolleyes:

nedoo · 15-07-2005 09:51PM

Will (can I call you that!?)

You seem to me to be the only person that has a problem with where you are from, are you having a bit of an I.D. crisis? Yes there is a bitterness from some of the Irish towards people landing in this country and freeloading off our tax money, having a mouth full of gold and begging or forming dangerous gangs( we have enough of our own)...... but you show me one country in the world that has opened its arms to all, without backlash or bitterness from some of the natives. In all my experance of working and living in different nations have never heard a bad word said about your nationality..are you a little paranoid?

solas · 15-07-2005 09:56PM

nedoo wrote:

You seem to me to be the only person that has a problem with where you are from, are you having a bit of an I.D. crisis?

nuh..seriously, I could understand why he might be feeling p!ssed off, the Irish are a bunch of slaggers and no doubt give him grief for being willem of orange.

Rozie · 15-07-2005 11:50PM

I'd say we are.

At the same time, it's bloody annoying when a huge group of foreigners all go on a bus together, chattering so much louder than everyone else, laughing, shouting... once they clogged up the bus and had to be all let off because it was too full.

This group of foreigners always the noisiest on the Dell bus too.

I'm not racist, but I really think people from other countries should have a bit more regard for the Irish, we're not all into the packing places out being noisy.

I really, REALLY hate when I constantly see two asians holding hands walking down the road, a group of asians chattering, but never with any Irish people.

Why can't we mix? I really hate that. I think that it's the racism in the first place that's the cause of loud foreigners clogging up the bus. If they didn't feel the need to stick together so much, and mingle, they wouldn't have such a low regard for other social structures.

Just my opinion, from someone who's a part of more minorities than she can count on two hands.

Catsmokinpot · 15-07-2005 11:56PM

land of a thousand welcomes to those that they know are going home

mike65 · 16-07-2005 12:09AM

I'm not sure there's anything happening now that was'nt happening before the upsurge in immmigration. The Irish have always looked at outsiders with a sideways glace - and I'm not talking about foreigners either. Its the result of tiny closed communities that engender a certain League of Gentleman type facism. Ireland is, at most only two generations from the bog.

"The valley of the squinting windows" is worth a read, oh yes and they banned it and there was a trial. Its mad, Ted.

Mike.

solas · 16-07-2005 12:16AM

"The valley of the squinting windows" is worth a read, oh yes and they banned it and there was a trial. Its mad, Ted.

burn em I say..and then we can start on the Brits.

Sparky · 16-07-2005 12:17AM

theres a black man who lives down the end of our lane at the back of my house, and the neighbour next to him was telling me one time that he arrived here with a battered old rover and now he drives a bright green hyundai coope, i recon he is into drug dealing and prostitution, (theres a new girl in his car everyday) Ive noticed the gards keeping an eye in him recently.
I never really cared about the issue untill one day i took out my dads jeep out of the garage to reverse it up the lane when his car came down, he didnt even wait one moment and shouted out at me move your fkn car before i move it for you, so i said nothing and decided to go slower than usual.
But who the fck is he to tell me what to do in my own country, this is what gets to me, im not raceist at all but when i have to hear this crap, its just not right.

After all i dont got to some other country and tell a born citizen to go and fck off

This is what gets to me.

CerebralCortex · 16-07-2005 12:28AM

dmck2886 wrote:

I think it goes back to when we Irish were invaded by the english and we just fear of being invaded again.

Common misunderstanding. An Irishman invited them here and he ruled leinster his name Dermott McMurough and he invited Strong Bow.

That leads me to my next point Irelands people are mixture of different europeans. Vikings, Danes, Normans/French/English, Scotts/Celts(Scotti being the latin for Irishman). It should follow that at present we should maintain this tradition of different peoples becoming one. Thats how I see it.
We should develope a love for it.

I find hard to be racist when there is only one race on the planet. Almost none of my friends are racist for the same reason. I would say there are a small but growing number in Ireland who think like me.

solas · 16-07-2005 12:37AM

Common misunderstanding. An Irishman invited them here and he ruled leinster his name Dermott McMurough and he invited Strong Bow.

common misunderstanding, while mc murrough sought strongbows assistance to help overthrow the Irish high king and promised him lands in return, no one expected deClare to turn about face and hand the deeds over to the British King (as he wasn't exactly working for him at the time). Strongbow did not come here as a representative of the British monarchy,...all in all Ireland had good relationship with Britian under the reign of the british monarchy..until the british monarchy was overthrown by a protestant king. And y'know how those protestants hated catholics and decided to kill them all (british ones too).
We weren't invaded once by the British, Ireland was invaded on numerous occasions by the Brits...remember Cromwell?

simu · 16-07-2005 12:45AM

Rozie wrote:

I really, REALLY hate when I constantly see two asians holding hands walking down the road, a group of asians chattering, but never with any Irish people.

Why can't we mix? I really hate that. I think that it's the racism in the first place that's the cause of loud foreigners clogging up the bus. If they didn't feel the need to stick together so much, and mingle, they wouldn't have such a low regard for other social structures.

Jebus! You should consider some anger management sessions. What on earth is wrong with holding hands in public? I'm Irish and do it all the time. Same with hanging around with compatriots whilst abroad.

As for the foreigners on the buses - they're mostly teenagers and teens are a plague no matter what country they're from.

Tar.Aldarion · 16-07-2005 12:58AM

my friends nor i are rascist, that is all that matters to me for now but a lot of rascism does go on yes.

Prior Of Taize · 16-07-2005 01:50AM

I think Ireland is a very racist country. I also think that others jump on the bandwagon for the sake of it. there is very little "real" racism...just a general "omfg a polish person ffs" or some sh!te like that.

tbh most irish people are f*cking stupid and thats the way it is. the general level of what iw ould call ignorance in this country is extremely high. then again most older people in ireland have never been outside ireland and so have nothing else to think other than we are being invaded again

solas · 16-07-2005 02:04AM

then again most older people in ireland have never been outside ireland and so have nothing else to think other than we are being invaded again

I'm not sure thats true, there are many of the older generation who had to stay but who have brothers and sisters either in the UK or the States. (why do you think so many Irish have american cousins?)
I know that my own grandmother worked in new york for some time before she was married and her sister was a nurse in engerland during the war. (both came back home btw)
But I agree, most Irish racism is of the stupid kind..silly remarks and what not but not the killing or seperatists kind. (unless your up north)

Coney Island · 16-07-2005 11:37AM

I am Italian, lived in Ireland for 5 years and never had major problems. Have to say though that sometimes is kind of boring when you meet someone new and the first question is "where are you from?"...it is just not cool.

And I don't mind the slagging, but even then it is kind of boring to hear always the same comments....didn't mind at the beginning, but now it is just boring, and my perception of the person I talk to is that he/she is not used to meet foregneirs or travelling.

But still it is never "nasty racism", whereas back in my country you can have really big problems if you are African or Albanian for example. I think this is due to the fact that many foreigners move to Ireland to work, whereas in Italy or other continental countries many extracomunitary move there without a job and not always try to find one, if you know what I mean....

Blackjack · 16-07-2005 12:07PM

Willem D wrote:

For example my mother is English , but her parents were both Irish and moved back here some years after the second world war, my mother has lived here most her life but is still considered as the English one by some of her work colleagues.

So if your mother lived here most of her life, and had Irish Parents, should she be considered Irish?. If so, then you yourself should be considered Irish, but state that you are Dutch. Which is it to be?.

Willem D wrote:

Technically under this country's stupid law because both of her parents were Irish that makes her Irish like nigerian family's have kids here they are considered as nigerian which is wrong.

What's stupid about the law precisely?. What's the Dutch version of the law?.

Willem D wrote:

In turn if I move to England with my wife and have a kid, that kid is considered English which is only right.

Ok but:

Willem D wrote:

For example my mother is English , but her parents were both Irish and moved back here some years after the second world war, my mother has lived here most her life but is still considered as the English one by some of her work colleagues.

which is only right, right?.

BigEejit · 16-07-2005 12:35PM

Gross Halfwit wrote:

.............................However I do have a major problem with spongers. A lot of the refugees that have come over here lately are economic refugees. Basically they cannot get employed in their country and so come over here to live. They are given houses, tax breaks, rent allowance. In essence a free ride. It makes me sick to think of the amount of people that are coming over here and getting everything handed to them on a silver platter when we could be putting that money to better use in housing our homeless, building new schools/colleges/hospitals etc. Charity begins at home but we are ignoring our own at the expense of helping economic refugees. Im sorry but their countries economic problems aint ours. If they put in some effort Im sure they could pull their country out of the ****!

Everytime I'm walking through town and I see a homeless dude passed out on the street or some irish kid going hungry on the streets I feel sorry for them but then I see a non-national blinged up to the ****ing eyeballs and all feelings of pity are out the window and I jus tget well and truly pissed!! Anyone else feel this way?
..............................................
In closing. Foreigners are ok by me. Economic refugees not.

All over the world there is one thing that brings out racism, and thats begrudgery ... if you are working you ass off to afford the basics in life and you see a foreigner get all that for nothing it will change your point of view VERY quickly. So you could say that some racism is prompted by the Irish governments quite generous (when compared with a lot of other european countries) social welfare system
And before anyone starts, that has nothing to do with the OP, just a general observation

Gareth2303 · 16-07-2005 12:43PM

All i know is that when i realise that someone is a foreigner, i get a smile on my face because i'm happy people think the country is good enough to visit...I like chatting to them to see where they're from and then recommend them nice places to visit while they are here...I can't say i'm not racist in any way because over the years i've made numerous comments about different races...I have stereotypes and i'll always have stereotypes

Sparky · 16-07-2005 12:48PM

Gross Halfwit wrote:

Right.

I do not mind foreign people coming over here to work, to learn, to visit or live so long as they are paying their way. I welcome them. I love going out at night and chatting with peeps from all over the world. I work in a place that is full of foreign nationals and a good few of my mates are from all over the shop! Its great.

However I do have a major problem with spongers. A lot of the refugees that have come over here lately are economic refugees. Basically they cannot get employed in their country and so come over here to live. They are given houses, tax breaks, rent allowance. In essence a free ride. It makes me sick to think of the amount of people that are coming over here and getting everything handed to them on a silver platter when we could be putting that money to better use in housing our homeless, building new schools/colleges/hospitals etc. Charity begins at home but we are ignoring our own at the expense of helping economic refugees. Im sorry but their countries economic problems aint ours. If they put in some effort Im sure they could pull their country out of the ****!

Everytime I'm walking through town and I see a homeless dude passed out on the street or some irish kid going hungry on the streets I feel sorry for them but then I see a non-national blinged up to the ****ing eyeballs and all feelings of pity are out the window and I jus tget well and truly pissed!! Anyone else feel this way?

I could go on a nd on about this as I feel very strongly about a certain nationalities advantage taking ways but Ill stop there.

In closing. Foreigners are ok by me. Economic refugees not.

I totally agree with ya, this is what gets me worked up, i remember hearing a story of our government giving millions out to some far eastern country, only to find out they were spending it on weapons to kill each other.

And its true these economic refugees are scabing off the system, ive always said it, we should take care of our own before some other countrys citizens

mike65 · 16-07-2005 01:34PM

With that in mind I guess all the Irish who are not gainfully employed around the world right now should also be returned home.

Mike.

solas · 16-07-2005 01:37PM

In closing. Foreigners are ok by me. Economic refugees not.

Irelands economy was given a boost by the EU and part of the deal was always going to be having an open door system. Irelands advertised for many of those "economic refugees" to fill the employment vacuum.

I think the Irish are wary of foreigners because as a small community there was agreat deal of common interest among the Irish peole..for centuries. A sort of trust if you will. We know how the Irish think and act for the most part and that makes us feel safe. Its like living in a neighbourhood all your life and knowing the residents and what ticks them off or what pleases them, so it was always easier to know what the story was.

Now its like we've moved into a much larger neighbourhood and there is feeling of being disconnected somehow. We were probably used to being in control...and not having that can be scary.

Karl Hungus · 16-07-2005 01:42PM

solas wrote:

Irelands advertised for many of those "economic refugees" to fill the employment vacuum.

The term economic refugees describes those who apply for asylum in Ireland for their own monetary gain. As such, Ireland has never advertised for them, nor do they fill any employment vacuum.

solas · 16-07-2005 01:44PM

I used the reference as quoted by gross.

Karl Hungus · 16-07-2005 01:50PM

solas wrote:

I used the reference as quoted by gross.

Really?

I do not mind foreign people coming over here to work, to learn, to visit or live so long as they are paying their way. I welcome them. I love going out at night and chatting with peeps from all over the world. I work in a place that is full of foreign nationals and a good few of my mates are from all over the shop! Its great.

Now it seems to me that Gross certainly doesn't mind those that come here to fill in the employment vacuum.

solas · 16-07-2005 02:09PM

Really?

yea..

gross halfwit wrote:

A lot of the refugees that have come over here lately are economic refugees. Basically they cannot get employed in their country and so come over here to live. They are given houses, tax breaks, rent allowance. In essence a free ride.

There was a government program some years ago which assisted Irish companies by offering tax breaks to those who willfully employed foreign nationals. (of the economic refugee status.. I don't have all the details) but 10 years ago I worked for Kylemore restaurants when they began the scheme. Prior to that everyone working there was Irish. The first group of foreign nationals were indonesian and Kylemore was required to supply them with a years working visa, with particular conditions. They were not allowed to come and work for one month and then go and seek employemnt elsewhere in Ireland, they had to work for at least a year under the program. They were supplied with housing and equipped with all mod cons.
Today there are no Irish working in that particular restaurant. I'm assuming its the same in other kylemore restaurants. In essence Irish companies are benefitting from employing "economic refugees".

biggles007 · 16-07-2005 02:47PM

Willem D wrote:

I pose this question to you posters is this country of saints and scholars, the land of 1000 welcomes, really just a bunch of rascist, greedy scumbags. I am dutch and have lived here almost all my life, but since the influx of people from foreign countries have arrived here I continually hear smart arse remarks about how I am foreigner, ok I know am but to be continually reminded of it is boring. Fact is if your not from Ireland you dont belong. I feel bad about people from other countries are referred too it makes me sick to my stomach, the irish are stuck in every corner of the world and there is nothing said about it. Can everyone not accept each other for what they are.

The answer is . Would I like Bin Laden, or any other person of that type to live beside me ?. The answer is no. Then I'm a racist. If there is anyone that I do not like for any reason , then I'm called a racist.

I am a racist.

Sparky · 16-07-2005 02:57PM

ive often heard people say that someday this country will be run by the foreigners

Karl Hungus · 16-07-2005 03:00PM

solas wrote:

In essence Irish companies are benefitting from employing "economic refugees".

Those are not "Economic refugees." Have they been given asylum in Ireland? Have they applied for refugee status? The simple fact that you say they are given working visas tells me they haven't. They are not refugees of any sort.

Now in fairness, economic refugee is a poxy term altogether, but it's basically a more polite way of saying bogus asylum seeker. Your example is completely off the mark, and goes to show that you don't even understand what is being said by Gross Halfwit.

However I do have a major problem with spongers. A lot of the refugees that have come over here lately are economic refugees.

Somewhat crude, but it certainly illustrates what he means by economic refugees.

Now, just to dispense with the term that's clearly causing confusion for the moment, can you perhaps give an example how the Irish, Ireland, or Irish companies are benifiting from bogus asylum seekers who are here to take advantage of the welfare system for their own monetary gain?

solas · 16-07-2005 03:39PM

Those are not "Economic refugees."

I based the reference on what gross halfwit defined economic refugees as..

gross wrote:

A lot of the refugees that have come over here lately are economic refugees. Basically they cannot get employed in their country and so come over here to live. They are given houses, tax breaks, rent allowance. In essence a free ride.

and I gave an example of what he considers to be economic refugees under that definition.

can you perhaps give an example how the Irish, Ireland, or Irish companies are benifiting from bogus asylum seekers who are here to take advantage of the welfare system for their own monetary gain?

I haven't considered anyone a bogus asylum seeker. The workers I'm referring to were drafted from their countries. The visa and accomodation were organised before they arrived. and btw..I'm not the one bitching about them. Perhaps you could direct your understanding at gross halfwit who seems to have a problem with them.

Karl Hungus · 16-07-2005 03:55PM

solas wrote:

I based the reference on what gross halfwit defined economic refugees as.. and I gave an example of what he considers to be economic refugees under that definition.
I haven't considered anyone a bogus asylum seeker. The workers I'm referring to were drafted from their countries. The visa and accomodation were organised before they arrived. and btw..I'm not the one bitching about them. Perhaps you could direct your understanding at gross halfwit who seems to have a problem with them.

*Slaps forehead*

A lot of the refugees that have come over here lately are economic refugees.

Take not of where he says "A lot of the refugees that have come over here" and you'll see that he's talking about refugees.

From dictionary.com:

an individual seeking refuge or asylum; especially : an individual who has left his or her native country and is unwilling or unable to return to it because of persecution or fear of persecution (as because of race, religion, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion)

You, on the other hand, are talking about migrant workers.

Is Ireland racist nation ??

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