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How to become a pilot?

  • 08-07-2005 04:02PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭


    Is there anyone here that is a pilot or know someone that is a pilot.

    Is was a life long dream to become an airline pilot which i lost when i went to college and now that college is over and am working away, the idea has again risen and i was wondering if anyone knew anything about getting a license in Ireland or training or anything

    My initial plan was to apply to Aer Lingus, they use to have a recruitment programme but stopped in 2001.

    No RAF suggestions please to old i think.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭PhoenixRising


    What do you want to know exactly? Post back some more specific questions and I'll do my best to answer them for you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,946 ✭✭✭SouperComputer


    in terms of a career, im not too sure. I think trinity have a course

    in any even, the 1st step is to get your PPL (Private Pilot Licence)

    It requires that you do AT LEAST 47 hours of logged flying. After that you can take the flight exam. Flight lessons cost in the region of €130 PH.

    There is also a shed load of ground school, covering all sorts of things: regs, flight controls, naviagion etc.

    The above figures are not exact, im just posting my best recollection.

    If you cant go to college to do it and you end up paying. Best thing to do is 10hours here, then jet off to the states and finsh you PPL. I think some schools can have you finished in a month for about $4500 - $5000 which is much more cost effective than here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Bluehair


    Plus on to the above figure on getting your night rating, twin, instruments and atpl plus a few hundred hours flying under your belt.

    You're looking at a minimum of €50k out of your own pocket plus a few years of your time.

    After that if you're lucky you may be able to work your way up through poor paying jobs in commuter airlines eventually getting onto decent paying work at the majors.

    Haven't put you off yet? :D Check out http://www.pprune.org for a whole forum dedicated to what they call 'wannabes'. It's a veritable goldmine.

    The good old days of cadetships and free training from Aer Lingus etc. are long gone and likely never to return so you'll need money, time, commitment and ability to reach your goal but if you truely enjoy flying then many would still consider it a decent career.

    If you're thinking of doing it for the money or 'prestige' then think again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭snakeater


    Check out this link. This goes through the process of how you become an airline pilot.


    http://travel.howstuffworks.com/pilot2.htm


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭kluivert


    i was wondering where in Ireland can a person go to train and get there private pilots license. I live in the North East (Monaghan) so i am getting Dublin would be the closest right?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭secret_squirrel


    kluivert wrote:
    i was wondering where in Ireland can a person go to train and get there private pilots license. I live in the North East (Monaghan) so i am getting Dublin would be the closest right?
    Its not that cost effective getting a ppl in ireland. The major factors being cost and available flying days.

    When you first go for a license you can only fly on good weather days - which as few and far between here! This means racking up the prerequisite hours takes a very long time. I've heard that South Africa is a popular place to get a ppl. Reason being it is much cheaper and the weather allows many more potential flying days.*

    *All said to me by a mate who seriously looked into it.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 9,696 Mod ✭✭✭✭BossArky


    This thread reminds me that I had the same dream when I was young.

    On a different note, a colleague of mine has his PPL and told a hairy story about loosing concentration once. When he looked up there was a plane flying straight at him which dived to the right. Apparently you are supposed to dive to the left if you are in a head on collision. My colleague was so shocked that he just went straight ahead... luckily... cos if he backed left as the other plane dived right... then BANG.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,144 ✭✭✭DonkeyStyle \o/


    Just walk into Dublin airport and tell them you're here for the pilot interview. :D

    Seriously though, my cousin has been training as a pilot for years... I can only imagine how much it must have cost him.
    My hat goes off to anyone who pours their own money into lessons and flight hours... seeing as how it's not going to make you a millionaire... so you know it's more about the fascination and love of flight than greed with these people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 196 ✭✭vannistelrooy10


    kluivert wrote:
    Is there anyone here that is a pilot or know someone that is a pilot.

    Is was a life long dream to become an airline pilot which i lost when i went to college and now that college is over and am working away, the idea has again risen and i was wondering if anyone knew anything about getting a license in Ireland or training or anything

    My initial plan was to apply to Aer Lingus, they use to have a recruitment programme but stopped in 2001.

    No RAF suggestions please to old i think.

    i have apllied to every company that flies i have come to a conclusion you need to know a pilot i.e daddy or you need e100,000 to spend in spain on a commercial licence approved by all the big airlines. the future for pilot is bleak anyways the pay will get not as great and there will be fewer with bigger planes like the a380


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,215 ✭✭✭FX Meister


    Not that many jobs in it at the moment. And the pay isn't great now compared to what it used to be.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭Borzoi


    i have apllied to every company that flies i have come to a conclusion you need to know a pilot i.e daddy or you need e100,000 to spend in spain on a commercial licence approved by all the big airlines. the future for pilot is bleak anyways the pay will get not as great and there will be fewer with bigger planes like the a380

    Possibly is like that now - I started applying in the early nineties - got to first round interviews with Aer Lingus. 2nd round with BA - they're a class act TBH

    Looked into a bit further afterwards, but there was no way I (or the family) could have afforded private training. Popular spots for training are Florida or Australia - but as others ppoint out you then start work for the smallest of companies, trying to get your hours up.

    I talked to a chopper Pilot working on a cattle ranch in Oz - for buttons - he reckoned about 2 years with them just building log time up before a major would even look at him, and I think that ranch had about 5 pilots.

    Best of luck with the dream though - it's still a major regret of mine


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭PhoenixRising


    kluivert wrote:
    i was wondering where in Ireland can a person go to train and get there private pilots license. I live in the North East (Monaghan) so i am getting Dublin would be the closest right?

    To get a job as an airline pilot you need to have as a minimum, a Commercial Pilots Licence with a mutil-engine instrument and have passed all 14 of the Airline Transport Pilots Licence (ATPL) written examinations. You'll see this written down as CPL/Multi/IR, and when combined with the ATPL written exams it's sometimes referred to as 'Frozen ATPL'. Confused yet? :)

    There are only two places in Ireland authorised to train pilots to ATPL standard. One of them is the National Flight Centre at Weston, and the other is a school in Waterford Airport which I can't remember the name of. Personally, I wouldn't recommend any aspiring airline pilot to train at either of these schools because it will cost you a fortune, it'll be slow, and the standard of training isn't great. You can look into flying in the States, and you probably will find this to be the cheapest option, but cheapest isn't usually best, and I wouldn't really recommend it again due to poor training standards in many US flight schools. There are also many differences between the US and the European licences, training syllabus, and rules and regulations, so you may find yourself having to re-sit the european Air Law exams, and/or flight tests when you return to Europe looking for a job.

    If you are serious about it, my advice is to train in either Oxford Air Training School or BAe Systems in Jerez. These are widely accepted as Europe's elite flight training schools. The cost of training in these two schools is high, but it's a full-time intensive course for about 14 months, and will almost guarantee you a job when you graduate. Most European airlines take their pilots from these two schools. Aer Lingus and British Airways use these two schools to train their cadets. The course will cost around €70,000. If it is what you want to do, the money is worth it in my opinion. You could have it paid back in a couple of years after you get a job. The only other alternative is to try to get yourself on an airline sponsorship scheme, where the airline will pay for your training and give you a job when you finish. The only such scheme run in Ireland was run by Aer Lingus and it's doubtful whether or not they will ever run the scheme again. The last time they hired cadets was in the summer of 2000, and they subsequently let the 44 cadets go in the aftermath of 9/11 when Aer Lingus was in trouble.

    Best of luck with it, if it's what you want to do. You really have to want it to get there. The training is not easy, and will require bucket-loads of commitment, dedication, and hard work. If you've any other questions feel free to ask.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,396 ✭✭✭kluivert


    I was checking out a few places.

    Easy jet have a recruitment in which you have to fork out for a £60,000.00 bond for training and they pay for the rest.

    I think ill stick to RC planes. The dream will continue be a dream. Its ashame its too too expensive for me, I just luv flying, the money wouldnt really bother me but its too much to handle.

    It seems that flying nowadays is for the rich only.

    Id like to thank everyone for their comments and suggestions, it was very much appreciated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭secret_squirrel


    FX Meister wrote:
    Not that many jobs in it at the moment. And the pay isn't great now compared to what it used to be.
    Its worth noting the pay is still pretty good by anyones standards if you are working for a major airline. 60-90k is easily achievable. Over 100k with long service and multiple type quals.

    Actual working hours are also short although obviously the hours can be awkard ones.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,286 ✭✭✭jackofalltrades


    Apparently you are supposed to dive to the left if you are in a head on collision.

    Your actually supposed to turn to the right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,215 ✭✭✭FX Meister


    Actually no, you just pull up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,354 ✭✭✭secret_squirrel


    FX Meister wrote:
    Actually no, you just pull up.
    How does that avoid a collision? If both planes are climbing then the net effect is that they are still heading towards each other.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 196 ✭✭vannistelrooy10


    How does that avoid a collision? If both planes are climbing then the net effect is that they are still heading towards each other.

    the collision aviodace system on the commercial aircraft send signals one will tell one pilot to climb and the other to descend. very unlikely a mid air collision will ever happen again after the russian tuplov and the dhl boeing over germany


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,259 ✭✭✭RicardoSmith


    Its worth noting the pay is still pretty good by anyones standards if you are working for a major airline. 60-90k is easily achievable. Over 100k with long service and multiple type quals.

    Actual working hours are also short although obviously the hours can be awkard ones.

    I've a few mates who are pilots. They all make a very good living.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,215 ✭✭✭FX Meister


    FX Meister wrote:
    Actually no, you just pull up.
    Well they both go vertically up. Then they communivate via a device called a radio, some new planes have them you know, and they decide who gos which way


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Bluehair


    FX Meister wrote:
    Well they both go vertically up. Then they communivate via a device called a radio, some new planes have them you know, and they decide who gos which way

    :rolleyes: glad you're not a pilot.

    (e) Approaching head-on. When aircraft are approaching each other head-on, or nearly so, each pilot of each aircraft shall alter course to the right.

    http://www.risingup.com/fars/info/part91-113-FAR.shtml


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,215 ✭✭✭FX Meister


    Actually, I am, therefore I'm a pilot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭PhoenixRising


    FX Meister wrote:
    Actually, I am, therefore I'm a pilot.

    What kind of licence do you have?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,228 ✭✭✭Scruff


    I've a few mates who are pilots. They all make a very good living.

    and are members of the mile high club??

    on a more serious note, can you become a comerical pilot if you wear glasses?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 790 ✭✭✭PhoenixRising


    Scruff wrote:
    on a more serious note, can you become a comerical pilot if you wear glasses?

    Yes absolutely. There are certain limits though, and you have to carry a second pair with the same lens while flying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Pataman


    FX Meister wrote:
    Actually, I am, therefore I'm a pilot.

    Worrying! When I was training I was always told to turn to the right


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,228 ✭✭✭Scruff


    Yes absolutely. There are certain limits though, and you have to carry a second pair with the same lens while flying.

    thats not what i was told when i was looking into doing it after secondry. if only i had the internet or had a bit more initiative back then :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,967 ✭✭✭✭Zulu


    FX Meister wrote:
    Well they both go vertically up. Then they communivate via a device called a radio, some new planes have them you know, and they decide who gos which way
    Vertically up and then use radio!?! What happens if one plane is near it's maximum altitude? ...what about risk if stall? What about the climbing arc? what if the planes are too close?

    Who do you fly for? ...I'm just interested to know who I'll never fly with ever agin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,213 ✭✭✭✭therecklessone


    BossArky wrote:
    On a different note, a colleague of mine has his PPL and told a hairy story about loosing concentration once. When he looked up there was a plane flying straight at him which dived to the right. Apparently you are supposed to dive to the left if you are in a head on collision. My colleague was so shocked that he just went straight ahead... luckily... cos if he backed left as the other plane dived right... then BANG.

    If he was flying VFR then he should turned to the right as previously pointed out.

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/ZZSI568Y2001.html
    Approaching head-on
    When two aircraft are approaching head-on or approximately so and there is danger of a collision, each shall alter its heading to the right;

    FX Meister is taking out his a*se methinks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,946 ✭✭✭SouperComputer


    on a more serious note, can you become a comerical pilot if you wear glasses?

    yup, but colour-blindness may mean you can only fly commercial cargo planes. At least this is what I was told a few years ago.

    In any event, even getting your PPL is going to set you back 5-6 grand at least, but more than likely 10-15.


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