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Blueface Hardware

causal · 2005-06-30 05:08:27

I noticed last week that blueface were no longer selling the Sipura 3100, and I see now the 2100 (or 2x00) is no longer available. The Budgetone BT102 IP phone is still available for €120. But newly available is the Linksys RT31P2 Broadband Router with 2 Phone Ports for €99. This means blueface don't offer an ATA, an ATA…

30-06-2005 06:08AM

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I noticed last week that blueface were no longer selling the Sipura 3100, and I see now the 2100 (or 2x00) is no longer available.

The Budgetone BT102 IP phone is still available for €120.
But newly available is the Linksys RT31P2 Broadband Router with 2 Phone Ports for €99.
This means blueface don't offer an ATA, an ATA is useful for users who have an existing gateway/router. However, if the features of the RT31P2 compare well with your existing gateway/router then the RT31P2 costs less than many of the ATAs anyway.

The device itself at a very quick glance seems fine (though I didn't notice a SPI firewall); and the price compares well with abroad; UNLESS you look at eBay where the device comes bundled with a Vonage package for $0.29 [sic] for first time customers :eek:
Maybe this is a sign of things to come, a bit like the mobile phone market - where hardware is subsidised by providers

causal

fwiw Skytel.ie only offer the Sipura 2000 - for €95.

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#2 30-06-2005 08:10AM

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you can still get them off ebay.

cheaper than blueface's own ones too.

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#3 30-06-2005 12:00PM

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Try:

www.italk.ie

They do Sipuras (I think), but also grandstream stuff cheap too.

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#4 30-06-2005 12:16PM

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Pity that Linksys Router with the Voice ports doesnt come with wireless...sigh!!!

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#5 30-06-2005 01:54PM

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In the US alot of the ATA which are locked to Vonage sell for the same price as the unlocked ones. Unlike mobiles you can't force the service provider to unlock them after a certain amount of time or money spent.

Most linksys VoIP hardware is the same as sipura (they used to licience it from sipura) however a few months ago cisco bought sipura. So the only difference is the box.

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#6 30-06-2005 02:13PM

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ForcaBarca wrote:

Pity that Linksys Router with the Voice ports doesnt come with wireless...sigh!!!

It does. Linksys WRT54GP2-NA.

Aaron

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#7 30-06-2005 09:03PM

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aaronc wrote:

It does. Linksys WRT54GP2-NA.

Aaron

Check this link - the UK WIRELESS version WRT54GP2-UK is due 19th July :

http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopDetail.asp?ProductID=2225&CategoryID=321&ShopGroupID=77

includes firewall unlike RT31P2

Shipping is £25 to Ireland...

Any chance you could get a few of these Aaron ????

Brings the cost to £83.70 (not sure about vat) = 124 yoyos

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#8 30-06-2005 09:34PM

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router here also at :

http://www.riskfree.co.uk/shop/default.asp?ProductType=ROUTER&StartAt=75

£126.45 delivered to ireland via TNT (including vat)

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#9 01-07-2005 07:38PM

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causal wrote:

<snip> This means blueface don't offer an ATA, <snip>

That was yesterday. And in true blueface blink-of-an-eye style I check the website today and they are offering an ATA: Linksys PAP2 ATA €75

*chances arm*
Of course blueface don't yet offer free Ferrari's to registered customers...
*crosses fingers and keeps reloading blueface website in anticipation of update*

causal

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#10 01-07-2005 07:41PM

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causal wrote:

That was yesterday. And in true blueface blink-of-an-eye style I check the website today and they are offering an ATA: Linksys PAP2 ATA €75

*chances arm*
Of course blueface don't yet offer free Ferrari's to registered customers...
*crosses fingers and keeps reloading blueface website in anticipation of update*

causal

No idea what your talking about but I need to know the simplest cheapest way of connecting my ntl cable modem to my portable phones through blueface, i have 4 portables and 1 base

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#11 01-07-2005 08:33PM

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Sandals wrote:

No idea what your talking about but I need to know the simplest cheapest way of connecting my ntl cable modem to my portable phones through blueface, i have 4 portables and 1 base

Look at the two posts above mine from Couch Potato for the answer to your question.

Also, from your other post your requirements are more than just 'simplest/cheapest'.

Simplest/cheapest is an ATA - but that's not what you're looking for, if you want a wireless network then the devices Couch Potato linked to are optimal.

causal

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#12 04-07-2005 03:06PM

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causal wrote:

That was yesterday. And in true blueface blink-of-an-eye style I check the website today and they are offering an ATA: Linksys PAP2 ATA €75
causal

That PAP2 ATA doesnt seem to have QOS (like the Linksys router does).
Would I be right in assuming that the QOS feature is only important for phonecalls during a download?

Apart from that, it seems to support the same voice algorithms as the SPA-2100, so can I assume that the voice quality will be similar?

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#13 04-07-2005 05:51PM

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Just an FYI lads, I'm having some QOS issues with the Linksys box & it appears that the supposed QOS support on it is a bit rubbish.
http://www.vonage-forum.com/ftopic4187-0-asc-0.html
http://www.vonage-forum.com/ftopic1957-0-asc-0.html

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#14 05-07-2005 01:37AM

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The linksys PAP2 is the same as the Sipura 2000 (but in a slightly different box). Linksys licensed the design form Sipura before Sipura was bought by Cisco (Linksys is also part of Cisco).

I would be very careful buying any linksys ATA from the US as most are locked to Vonage, which sell for the same price as the unlocked ones. Also no where on the box does it say it is locked, I got caught out by this when I was over in the US a few months ago (I was lucky the shop took it back and gave me a refund).

The only difference between it and the Sipura 2100 is that it doesn't have a second ethernet port which would allow it provide QoS. Other than that it is the same.

William

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#15 05-07-2005 01:45AM

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fisab wrote:

Would I be right in assuming that the QOS feature is only important for phonecalls during a download?

Yes, however if there are others in you house sharing your internet connection, QoS would be useful. Also automated software updates could cause problems in the middle of a call.

The main advantages other than price for the ATA without the second ethernet port for QoS, is that they are physicaly smaller which can be useful if you want to bring it with you when you travel.

Willie.

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#16 06-07-2005 08:56AM

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WillieFlynn wrote:

Yes, however if there are others in you house sharing your internet connection, QoS would be useful. Also automated software updates could cause problems in the middle of a call.

The main advantages other than price for the ATA without the second ethernet port for QoS, is that they are physicaly smaller which can be useful if you want to bring it with you when you travel.

Willie.

Thanks for the info - QOS does seem like an important feature to have. Because blueface no longer sell the sipura, I've been looking at them on ebay.
Assuming they are unlocked, does the U.S. version allow for a 220-240V power rating (i.e. will they work over here without having to buy a transformer)?

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#17 06-07-2005 09:45AM

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fisab wrote:

Thanks for the info - QOS does seem like an important feature to have. Because blueface no longer sell the sipura, I've been looking at them on ebay.
Assuming they are unlocked, does the U.S. version allow for a 220-240V power rating (i.e. will they work over here without having to buy a transformer)?

Yeah there is a transformer on the plug which come with a 3 pin part (it is changeable) as whoever you buy it from if they still have it. Alternatively just buy an adapter, they cost about 7 Euro.

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#18 06-07-2005 02:06PM

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fisab wrote:

Thanks for the info - QOS does seem like an important feature to have. Because blueface no longer sell the sipura, I've been looking at them on ebay.
Assuming they are unlocked, does the U.S. version allow for a 220-240V power rating (i.e. will they work over here without having to buy a transformer)?

The linksys RT31P2 blueface does offer QoS. And remember most linksys VoIP products are just badged Sipura products.

The sipura ATA's transformer will work over here (I got one in the US and it is woking fine here).

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#19 06-07-2005 03:48PM

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WillieFlynn wrote:

The linksys RT31P2 blueface does offer QoS. And remember most linksys VoIP products are just badged Sipura products.

The sipura ATA's transformer will work over here (I got one in the US and it is woking fine here).

Yes but the QOS on the RT31P2 doesnt really work at all.
This is well documented, however QOS can be achieved by putting the RT31P2 behind a WRT54G router/access point which has decent QOS available for it.
I'm looking forward to the WRT54GS2P to be honest, hopefully it will have the same hardware & QOS support as the WRT54G.

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#20 06-07-2005 07:57PM

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Couch Potato wrote:

Check this link - the UK WIRELESS version WRT54GP2-UK is due 19th July :

http://www.broadbandbuyer.co.uk/Shop/ShopDetail.asp?ProductID=2225&CategoryID=321&ShopGroupID=77

Now feckin 26th July ...

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#21 11-07-2005 11:52AM

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Marx Computers still show Sipura 1001 and 3000 available.
http://www.marxcomputers.ie/

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#22 11-07-2005 04:49PM

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Couch Potato wrote:

Now feckin 26th July ...

Now "Call for latest .... " - Damn !!!!

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#23 20-07-2005 12:47PM

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Couch Potato wrote:

Now "Call for latest .... " - Damn !!!!

Now in Stock ...

£98.35 delivered = €142.98 ish

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#24 20-07-2005 11:39PM

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Blueface now offering the WRT54GP-UK on website.

I has asked Aaron by e-mail if Blueface were going to get these and he replied to say that they now have a stock of 50.

€125 delivered.

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#25 22-07-2005 10:42PM

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Has any one bought anything off www.italk.ie?

There prices are very good for an Irish supplier. Was looking at getting a Grandstream ATA Handytone 486 their only about €70 and postage is about €2
and may be an IP phone Grandstream Bugedetone 102 is €76 + €2
http://www.italk.ie/productcategory.php

Anyone see them before?

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#26 22-07-2005 10:51PM

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PlasmaFish wrote:

There prices are very good for an Irish supplier. Was looking at getting a Grandstream ATA Handytone 486 their only about €70 and postage is about €2
and may be an IP phone Grandstream Bugedetone 102 is €76 + €2

Check out this thread

The 486 (which I have) wouldn't be my choice if I was buying now.
Give more details about your setup and requirements and you should get some specific advice.

hth,
causal

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#27 25-07-2005 09:36PM

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Couch Potato wrote:

Blueface now offering the WRT54GP-UK on website.

I has asked Aaron by e-mail if Blueface were going to get these and he replied to say that they now have a stock of 50.

€125 delivered.

Router bought and delivered last Friday - setup took about 5 mins.

Easy peasy ....

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#28 27-07-2005 01:56PM

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Does anyone know if the WRT54GP2, provided by Blueface, has an QOS feature with it? I can't see a mention of it on the spec sheet on the linksys site and I would like to prioritise my VOIP packets if possible.

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#29 27-07-2005 06:52PM

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Yep does have it.
Got mine today...5 mins to setup and works great.

Cheers Blueface

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#30 19-08-2005 11:30PM

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Was about to sign up for Blueface and get the WRT54GP2 but saw some negative reviews in Amazon.com about background noise.

Anyone here having that problem?

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#31 20-08-2005 12:01AM

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I read similar reviews, but the problem seems to be more related to the vonage service rather than the linksys router. I got one of the WRT54GP2 routers and so far, so good. Set up was a piece of cake. Blueface had already pre-programmed it with my user information. I dropped it into my network in place of a Buffalo Wifi router and voila I was up and running.
Quality so far has been great, no complaints.

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