Bad neighbour me or them?

MorningStar · 24-06-2005 06:31PM #1

I have some neighbours who are renting across the road. Never spoke to them as they never acknowledge me in the causal nod way that get things started. After a few fail attempts at being nice in this way I just stopped bothering.
As time has gone on they have shown some anti-social behaviour (as far as I am concerned). For example:
1) Sitting out the front window smoking a fag and drinking beer waiting for friends. ThEn shouting out at here friends
2) They and friends drive up and beep their horns rather than get out of the car and ring the door bell. Early in the mornings not that much at night but pretty often.
3) Being possessive about the space out side their house as they don't have a drive. They park their car there but there are a lot of cars on the road and not everyone has a driveway or more cars than will fit. They have asked people to move in unfriendly manners. Called around the houses ask who owns the car (so I guess I did speak to them once). They in revenge to one person parked infront of their driveway and refused to move the car when the person wanted to go to work. They were verbally abusive
4) Slaming their door. It is really loud I can hear it in the back of the house.

For what every reason they now seem to have 3 vehicales. The two "new" ones are missing tax,insurance and NCT!
Now here's wha I was going to do
1) Contact their landlord and mention siad bad behaviour and ask that he talk to them. As a landlord I know I would prefer to keep the residents happy
2) Call the cops about the cars

I know they are kind sh*tty things to do but I reckon it will get the best results.
I woud ordinarily talk to the people directly but I don't think they will be reasonable given their behavious thus far.

Am I just being petty?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 24-06-2005 06:33PM

just a tad...

dudara · 24-06-2005 06:34PM

The first approach would be to talk to them yourself.

Are the cars on the road? I think you said that they were as they have no driveway. In that case, head over there one night, remove the number plates, and then call the council, saying that there are two cars with no plates blocking your street.

Note: This is a tactic to be employed only when the noraml diplomatic channels fail

SoupyNorman · 24-06-2005 06:46PM

well reporting the cars will probably only make matters worse as they will know that they got a tip off espically if the cops show up on your road jut to check their cars!

an anonymous call to their landlord would prob be the no.1 move at the present time, the only hope is the landlord actually cares enough to do something about it.

MorningStar · 24-06-2005 06:52PM

bravestarr082 wrote:

well reporting the cars will probably only make matters worse as they will know that they got a tip off espically if the cops show up on your road jut to check their cars!

an anonymous call to their landlord would prob be the no.1 move at the present time, the only hope is the landlord actually cares enough to do something about it.

They won't know who tips off the cops and the landlord may not accept anonymous calls and tell them who complained. That was they way I was looking at it.

Raiser · 24-06-2005 06:56PM

I can see it now:

- Landlord will see it as another nuisance - same as if it was another blocked drain.

- Will have a "quiet word" with these cretins - referencing your complaint - Will say things like "take it handy with da ole door lads" then driving off, satisfied that all is well....

- Then the aforementioned cretins will poison your cat, verbally abuse you and your flatmates/partner/family and eventually break your nose.

Pray they move on - inbred folk are often transient.

P.S. They might be waiting for a chance to jump you anyway, seeing as your always peering at their cars and eavesdropping on their door-closing hobby.

MorningStar · 24-06-2005 07:30PM

Raiser wrote:

I can see it now:

- Landlord will see it as another nuisance - same as if it was another blocked drain.

- Will have a "quiet word" with these cretins - referencing your complaint - Will say things like "take it handy with da ole door lads" then driving off, satisfied that all is well....

Maybe I should let you know I am a landlord too!

We are not all lazy and inconsiderate but I do agree it is a concern

The tenants could be considered like you said.
Thank god they don't get up early or they would have spotted me looking at there car and van.

OLDYELLAR · 24-06-2005 07:42PM

Go to them yourself before going to the landlord , I remember when our old neighbours complained to our landlord , if they had just came in and said turn down the music , it would a been fine but because they went behind our backs ,we were like dogs.
Tip off the guards about the cars anyway.

MorningStar · 24-06-2005 08:36PM

OLDYELLAR wrote:

Go to them yourself before going to the landlord , I remember when our old neighbours complained to our landlord , if they had just came in and said turn down the music , it would a been fine but because they went behind our backs ,we were like dogs.
Tip off the guards about the cars anyway.

They have already been verbally abusive and threatening when spoken to that's why I haven't . I don't want to be on there radar unless there is no choice.

I know what you are saying but they have already shown themselves to be unreasonable.

I really have a thing about the fact they are driving around uninsured too.

Neuro · 24-06-2005 08:38PM

MorningStar wrote:

Am I just being petty?

Yes, very.

It would seem to me that you only discovered that they were 'anti-social' after they didn't reciprocate your attempts to get to know them.

As for calling the police regarding their cars, that's simply childish...

OLDYELLAR · 24-06-2005 08:50PM

MorningStar wrote:

They have already been verbally abusive and threatening when spoken to that's why I haven't . I don't want to be on there radar unless there is no choice.

I know what you are saying but they have already shown themselves to be unreasonable.

I really have a thing about the fact they are driving around uninsured too.

tip off the guards about that anyway , I hate people who dont tax or insure there vehicles , please call the guards about that!

MorningStar · 24-06-2005 09:00PM

Neuro wrote:

Yes, very.

It would seem to me that you only discovered that they were 'anti-social' after they didn't reciprocate your attempts to get to know them.

As for calling the police regarding their cars, that's simply childish...

First off that is huge assumption, I mentioned that because I was try to explain that from the start they have been a bit rude and not easy to talk to. I gave examples of their particular behaviour that I thought was anti social if you think they weren't explain why.

I really don't think much of anybody who drives without insurance regardless of if I know them or not. I probably won't ring the cops but if the other fails I will for sure. If they injure somebody while driving uninsured I won't exactly feel great though

Slunk · 24-06-2005 09:54PM

Do they park in front of your driveway making it difficult for you or is it just other people, if so I wouldnt get involved, they seem like a dodgy crowd.Two new cars without tax & ins. Always people coming and beeping horns drinking beer in the garden etc. No point in making things worse for yourself when theres no need to. Id just leave them be.

Sparky · 24-06-2005 09:56PM

Talking about bad neighbours, we had a few black people move in two doors down, so they were quiet for a while, no bother with that untill nissan sunnys would appear and be left abandoned taking up car spaces 4 to be exact, so some residents told the guards about it and the guards said they were watching the matter.
So then one day (this is no joke) 2 guarda riot vans pulled up and about 10 guards were running around like ants, firstly they started moving the cars with the pick up van they have and then they waited for the owner to come out about the cars, so he did so and was arrested, so alot of residents were supprised what was happening and were looking at all this, when we all discovered that these men were running a brothel, (which explains why half dressed black women were coming and going out of there every so often)
So cars were removed and the landlord THEN decided to evict the fellas for what they had done, even though the landlord knew 3 weeks previously.
So the story is some landlords wont do sh1t, but the ones who do are IMO the ones that lived there previously and knows the neighbours personally.

digitally-yours · 24-06-2005 11:00PM

do whatever you want to doo but stay at the backhand
dont show ur self at the front otherwise it will be personal

Saturnine · 24-06-2005 11:03PM

Whatever about them being bad neighbours its equal a **** to you if their cars/VW Transporters are not taxed/insured.

jongore · 24-06-2005 11:14PM

Neuro wrote:

Yes, very.

It would seem to me that you only discovered that they were 'anti-social' after they didn't reciprocate your attempts to get to know them.

As for calling the police regarding their cars, that's simply childish...

No that's simply being a good citizen, every a-hole without tax and insurance should be reported to the cops ASAP.

As for the bad neighbours, talk to a few other people and see if they've had problems, if they have send a letter signed by everyone to the landlord.

AdMMM · 25-06-2005 12:11AM

Its because of ****ers like them not insuring their cars that insurance is 6% higher than it needs to be.

Definetely report them to the Guards about the cars. As for sorting out the anti-social behaviour, a call to the landlord will do the trick because think of it this way, if you go straight to the landlord anonymously, it will probably be sorted out. If you go talk to the tenants personally, then they will know that you have something against them and if they dont comply with your requests then if you went to the landlord they would know it was you!

Saturnine · 25-06-2005 12:25AM

Yes and only for those on unemployment assistance you would not have to pay taxes either.

Son_of_Belial · 25-06-2005 02:38AM

They sound like total knackers! Yeah, call the guards about the cars, what if one of them bumped into your car? There'd be no come-back.

Sleepy · 25-06-2005 01:42PM

If you can't afford to tax and insure a car, you can't afford a car. That simple. Report them and do everyone a favour.

RainyDay · 25-06-2005 07:47PM

MorningStar wrote:

1) Contact their landlord and mention siad bad behaviour and ask that he talk to them. As a landlord I know I would prefer to keep the residents happy

What impact do you reckon a 'talking to' from their landlord will have?

Duckjob · 25-06-2005 11:31PM

First of all, give them every chance to be reasonable. Make a list of your beefs with them, pay them a visit and have a calm conversation with them. You'd be surprised how reasonable people can be. Approach is everything.

If this fails, (and it may well), you could try doing what we did to cure a noise problem with neighbours. - Make it the landlords problem. For example, you're kept up all night with loud music. So ring the landlord there and then to tell him you are being disturbed by excessive noise from his property. The later the better. Tell him you expect him to take responsibility for whats going on on his property, and he as long as you continue to have a problem you will be ringing him to let him know. Ring every 15 mins if necessary. We did this with neighbours, and after that night, there wasn't a peep out of them until they left 6 months later.

axtradub12 · 26-06-2005 01:30AM

If all else fails. Drop a note in their letterbox saying, make friends here. Join Boards.ie

fred funk }{ · 26-06-2005 11:45AM

How do you know they have no tax and insurance?
The few new cars i have bought over the years had no discs in the window for a while even though it was insured and taxed.
It only takes a phone call to transfer insurance from an old car to a new one.

There's two sides to every story. The sound like a bunch of young people enjoying the freedom of living away from their parents, At the same time they should respect the neighbours and not be loud at night.

Like someone else said go over to them with the proper attitude and pretend to be nice and ask them nicely to calm things down a bit because if you go over ranting and raging it will make things worse.

You asked were you being petty? Yes i say.

murphaph · 26-06-2005 11:58AM

I'm not a landlord but I will be soon. I don't get the whole 'make it the landlord's problem'. The landlord is providing accomodation to the market. If these people can't take responsibility for their own actions and it's disturbing folk then they should call the council and/or gardai. If the council or gardai choose to contact the landlord then so be it but the landlord can't really do much else-he can't just evict someone if their neighbour has issues with them.

MorningStar · 26-06-2005 12:13PM

fred funk }{ wrote:

How do you know they have no tax and insurance?
The few new cars i have bought over the years had no discs in the window for a while even though it was insured and taxed.
It only takes a phone call to transfer insurance from an old car to a new one.

There's two sides to every story. The sound like a bunch of young people enjoying the freedom of living away from their parents, At the same time they should respect the neighbours and not be loud at night.

Like someone else said go over to them with the proper attitude and pretend to be nice and ask them nicely to calm things down a bit because if you go over ranting and raging it will make things worse.

You asked were you being petty? Yes i say.

They are in their 30's so they are no younger than me. Their behaviour is intrusive. I have lived in good and bad areas in my life and their behaviour is normal in areas people would call bad. The area is mostly retired people so their behaviour is particularly noticable. They could be actingworst but it's context that makes things anti-social

The cars have no discs at all!They are old cars so they should at least have NCT and tax. Is a month long enough to get the insurance disc?

They have already been verbally abusive and threatening to people. If they don't listen to me they will know it is me complaining. I don't think they will be reasonable as they have shown themseleves not to be. Others have tried to be reasonable with them and it didn't work. The parking issue has been mentioned to them a few times as was the door.

I don't mind people saying I am petty but say how you see their behaviour is reasonable. If they were younger I could see it differently but they are not.

delly · 26-06-2005 12:22PM

I wouldn't consider any of the actions in the first post unreasonable. But no matter what you do, don't approach them directly as you'll be the target when fit hits the shan.

I have a family renting beside me at the mo. Nice and respectable, nice cars, good jobs and 3 young children. Problem is though that daddy's babysitting service is to let the kids play in the bushs and trees of the park, while tearing them to shreds at the same time. Also letting them to run back and forth accross the main road. One of the other neighbours 3 foot wall which slopes up to about 7 foot is another play thing for the boys of the family. The younger 4 year old got stuck up there one time, and a local who was passing by had to lift him down. In this day and age i can't understand why somebody would let there kids play unsupervised.

/end of rant

I guess what i'm saying is that even 'repectable' looking renters can cause problems.

MorningStar · 26-06-2005 12:38PM

murphaph wrote:

I'm not a landlord but I will be soon. I don't get the whole 'make it the landlord's problem'. The landlord is providing accomodation to the market. If these people can't take responsibility for their own actions and it's disturbing folk then they should call the council and/or gardai. If the council or gardai choose to contact the landlord then so be it but the landlord can't really do much else-he can't just evict someone if their neighbour has issues with them.

Well as a landlord I can tell you that attitude will not do you any favours. If you don't back the neighbours they won't look out for your interests. Anti-social people are not generally people who will look after other peoples' property. If the tenants started ripping the house apart would you not want the neighbours to let you know? Neighbours could make every single one of your tenants move out if they tooka dislike to you behaviour. I know an accountant who disliked the landlord of the building beside his office, he kept getting the cops to raid it for drugs with every new tenant.
It is in your own interest to keep the neighbours on side let alone the morals of it.
A landlord can evict a tenant for their behaviour but generally tenants do listen to the landlords about complaints. I have had to do the same myself and people I know who have been unreasonable are very reasonable to their landlord.

Duckjob · 26-06-2005 02:03PM

Indeed, another example of 'greedy new Ireland'. People want to reap the financial benefits of being land owners, but don't want to take on the social responsibility that comes with it. It's YOUR property :eek:

AdMMM · 26-06-2005 02:26PM

Duckjob wrote:

Indeed, another example of 'greedy new Ireland'. People want to reap the financial benefits of being land owners, but don't want to take on the social responsibility that comes with it. It's YOUR property :eek:

Well said!

Bad neighbour me or them?

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