young people in ireland

adnans · 16-10-2001 12:29AM #1

disclaimer: please no spammage

are they at all interested in current events or anything other then chart music, celebrities, gossip, fashion and trends? its like 80's all over again(except for the good things) and everyone gets put into categories depending their intellectual status, their music choice, the clothes they wear, the people they meet etc.

the reason im asking this question is because of the events happening in the world at the moment, majority of young people in ireland still do what the trends point to. most work their ass off during the week/ go to school or college and then waste it all for the weekend where they get completely drunk / wasted / drugged / insane only to repeat it the next weekend. its always the same. if you want proof, have a walk through Dublin city at around 2am or 3am and witness ireland's brightest and future citizens.

i know there is a minority of young people in ireland that doesnt give a fcuk about the things stated above and follow their own path. good for you. but for the rest, its like living a groundhog day and not even knowing it. who is to blame for the state of irish young people today and is there a way to remedy this situation before things get a little bit worse?

adnans

[CALIBUR] · 16-10-2001 12:59AM

hehe ture

. ever time go out of lanfest in the middel of the night theres some sort of fight going on or sometimes theres a pack of assholes sitting on a shop window edge next to lanfest calling me fag or gay ever time i go pass them.

Dustaz · 16-10-2001 01:27AM

Originally posted by adnans
most work their ass off during the week/ go to school or college and then waste it all for the weekend where they get completely drunk / wasted / drugged / insane only to repeat it the next weekend. its always the same.

because its fun?

Yurmasyurda · 16-10-2001 03:24AM

Originally posted by Dustaz

because its fun?

No, Sex is more fun than the above and also the occasional lan game

Digi_Tilmitt · 16-10-2001 08:33AM

Well being a young person I often find my peers only wanting to get either to get wasted or to gain more power within their group of friends by buying/doing trendy (capitalist) things. They don't give a dam about the world around them and I blame Capitalism and its evil affect on young people. It affects them so much more then adults because they are not educated on it. When I try to explain how they are being manipulated etc. They just ignore me.

Their is however a small amount of nice young people who are 'nice' and in my eyes deserve to live.

Yo Mamma · 16-10-2001 08:47AM

I have the feeling Adnans that u are one of the young people who doesn’t give a fcuk about the things stated above and follow your own path!

You will have to be a bit more age specific, from what I know you are quite young yourself ! I could be wrong though!

What age group are we talking about here ? 14-20 ? or higher/lower ?

Dr. Loon · 16-10-2001 09:06AM

Adnan you do the same yourself, work/college...than weekend and get wasted.... fair enough none of the pop/trendy chart music crap, but clothes wise you buy decent labels, as do I.... so you are in effect referring to yourself as well... I do what I want to do, but that involves exactly what you've described above!! So I don't get it really.

Enygma · 16-10-2001 09:17AM

I used be like this years ago, working all week to make money to go out on the weekends. Great fun!

Why shouldn't young people go out and spend their money? They'll all settle down eventually, and if they grow up to be 30 year old "eternal students" partying every weekend with 18 year olds... well, then that's their problem, screw em.

I know it's sad to see people who spend their lives sitting on a wall making comments at everything that passes but it's their choice, if they really wanted to do something they could.

Besides what about the other half million people who aren't out on a Sat. night?
Typicial Dublin attitude, Dublin == All of Ireland

(j/k btw)

Their is however a small amount of nice young people who are 'nice' and in my eyes deserve to live.

Says it all about you Digi doesn't it.

Winning Hand · 16-10-2001 11:30AM

Originally posted by Digi_Tilmitt
I blame Capitalism and its evil affect on young people.

Funny, I blame the pathetic obsession with excess alcohol. Communism would allow everybody to get completely ripped without financial worries of affording clubs, taxis, drinks leaving an even more (is this possible?) antisocial enviroment

Bard · 16-10-2001 12:06PM

seems to me that the capitalism/communism argument doesn't belong here and you, Digi_Tilmitt, were "silly" (putting it mildly) to make use of it...

adnans, it's easy to get disillusioned about young people in Ireland today... especially, it seems, when you hit the age of - say - 25 and don't consider that you yourself are "young" any more, but consider that people a mere 7 or 8 years younger than you ARE.

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Regardless, I think you have a somewhat valid point. For many, their own microcosmic little lives of pop culture, drink/drugs, fashion, etc. swamp everything else and blinker them to what others see as "the real world". Still... if it keeps them happy...

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As the Simple Minds song says: "Every generation ... blames the one before"

hummm... maybe that *should* be "every generation thinks the one after it is going to hell in a handcart..."

adnans · 16-10-2001 12:10PM

true, but im not coming down hard on your typical person who likes to have a few drinks and a smoke on the two non working days that we all get. its a great laugh.

what bugs me is the direction in which most irish young people are facing whilst living here. ie. go to school, get a job, earn money and get rich quick isnt much of a goal in life imo. there is nothing wrong with that i hear ya say. of course there isnt. the only way to improve yourself is through going to school, getting a job and trying to better yourself. right? majority of irish young people see this as the only survival technique in the world if you want to live a long and rewarding life. what happened to trying to better yourself in arts, music, science etc.? how can you develop your brain by watching repeats of friends almost every night then texting your own friends to tell them that tonight episode of friends was better then the last one? i know its funny but it gets confusing, doesnt it

in general what is irish society gonna be like in twenty years time when we are going to be the lot that influences all things important in ireland. is it gonna get better or worse?

loon, you know the story already. neither of us is influenced by the mainstream crap only to fall over our knees in order to have it or wear it. since i know you very well, im aware of what you really want to do in life and you are very close to getting it, meaning that you dont go around headless wondering whats in store for you next weekend and the one after that.

What age group are we talking about here ? 14-20 ? or higher/lower ?

im 21 myself but im thinking about the ages 18 - 26. and Digi_Tillmit, dont blame your problems on capitalism and running around boards like some kind of a 22nd century preacher. fair enuff, there are specific problems which could point as a direct result of capitalism. you know it, we know it, but are you doing anything about it cause you are hurting everyone's head in boards by your doomsday gospels and the evil ways of capitalism.

adnans

goose · 16-10-2001 05:24PM

are you wise?

what else is there to do on a sat night?
sit in and play quake all night?

Digi_Tilmitt · 16-10-2001 09:01PM

Whatever about Communism but Capitalism has a huge affect on young peoples lives. They all try to buy the latest trendy product in an attempt to better each other. They are so blind to how they are being manipualted. The companies take full advantage of young peoples 'trendyness.' It may sound silly but I have had many experiences of it.

I must apologise if I implied anything about Communism as I rant enough about it.

Hellm0 · 16-10-2001 09:14PM

I aint gonna pretend to know the place for some of thies kids(I am 16,Though I dont consider myself a "kid").The fact is,they've got no place to go/nothing to do other then get bombed with drugs/alcohol.Its all part of thier everyday life.I am happy with a computer,thier happy with a can of cider.Allways been people like that.Just let their remarks slide,remember,thier closer to monkeys then you

Hellm0 · 16-10-2001 09:14PM

I aint gonna pretend to know the place for some of thies kids(I am 16,Though I dont consider myself a "kid").The fact is,they've got no place to go/nothing to do other then get bombed with drugs/alcohol.Its all part of thier everyday life.I am happy with a computer,thier happy with a can of cider.Allways been people like that.Just let their remarks slide,remember,thier closer to monkeys then you

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DrunkLeprachaun · 16-10-2001 09:27PM

Yeah, young people these days are getting increasingly fat and stupid. I am one of the cwazy off-beat guys, I don't give a **** about anything, I don't drink, smoke or do any drugs, I don't work at anything, but still cruise through everything, I listen to metal, and I wash mahself with ah rag on ah stick.

Sharkey · 16-10-2001 10:04PM

Originally posted by Digi_Tilmitt
Well being a young person I often find my peers only wanting to get either to get wasted or to gain more power within their group of friends by buying/doing trendy (capitalist) things.

I'm not trying to ride your case here, but what exactly do you mean. I understand the getting wasted thing, but give me a few examples of "trendy" things that give rise to power within a particular group of friends.

They don't give a dam about the world around them and I blame Capitalism and its evil affect on young people. It affects them so much more then adults because they are not educated on it. When I try to explain how they are being manipulated etc. They just ignore me.

Certainly such evils as buying things, such as CDs, good food, nice clothing, etc. ... and otherwise enjoying life may get in the way of one's civic responsibilities. However, in your opinion, what should young people be allowed to purchase and how should their time be regulated?

Their is however a small amount of nice young people who are 'nice' and in my eyes deserve to live.

Deserve to live? Hmmmm! Now this makes sense. In your view of the world, those who earn a living and buy name product stuff with their earnings may forfeit their right to live.

I guess those Versace jeans consumers should be executed on the spot, of course, but what about the DKNY jeans crowd? They're paying extra for that name-brand, but not a heck of a lot more ... not enough to forfeit their right to consume and emit greenhouse gases in the atmosphere!! Should we execute them or simply remove them of their designer jeans and force a bit of righteous community service on them?

Lemming · 16-10-2001 10:22PM

Originally posted by adnans
what happened to trying to better yourself in arts, music, science etc.? how can you develop your brain by watching repeats of friends almost every night then texting your own friends to tell them that tonight episode of friends was better then the last one? i know its funny but it gets confusing, doesnt it in general what is irish society gonna be like in twenty years time when we are going to be the lot that influences all things important in ireland. is it gonna get better or worse?

I read a good article in PC Pro some months back by one of the older guys that frequently rants (Y'know those articles at the start(ish) of the magazine).

Anyway, he had observed that there was this "dumming down" in society, where it was cool to have all the latest hi-tech stuff, from (then) DVD to WAP phones, MiniDisc, etc, etc. BUT it was uncool to be 'smart', or to develop this stuff.

Well, I have to say, I've kinda done a p*ss-poor rehash of the article here, but it made for some good reading.

Lex_Diamonds · 17-10-2001 12:23AM

Well, someone I know had a theory that we are going the way of the Roman Empire, e.g. overly materialistic and we will be overrun by the Islamic world

Digi_Tilmitt · 17-10-2001 08:19AM

You misunderstand me

Trendy things are buying Coke, Nike, Littering and insulting those less fortunate than you. If you do these things you will become more powerful wothin your own group of uneducated friends. It's silly but that is how the chain of Command works.

Its when they buy Coke, Nike and Mcdonalds that they are being a bit bad. They can buy food and non-top brand clothes, but when they are used to fuel massive Monopolies that huge Corperations have, that is Manipulation.

When I say to deserve to life I mean that there is a small amount of very nice young people who aren't always trying to opress each other. If the bad young people dissapeared we wpuld soon have a Utopianish society.

Xterminator · 17-10-2001 09:04AM

Looks like i'm alright so, cause i drink diet coke

I know it been said before, but every generation thinks the 1 after it is terrrible. Oh they listen to crap, they dress horribly, etc etc. they have no respect.

Rarely is it taken into consideration, that growing up today woul be harder than it was for me. (I'm not that old either)

Nor that the world is in worse condition that when we received it, i.e.dependance on dwindling fossil fuels, global warming, pollution etc.

Good luck to the young people of today, you'll need it.

X

Shiminay · 17-10-2001 09:28AM

Originally posted by Digi_Tilmitt
You misunderstand me

Trendy things are buying Coke, Nike, Littering and insulting those less fortunate than you. If you do these things you will become more powerful wothin your own group of uneducated friends. It's silly but that is how the chain of Command works.

Right, I wear a lot of branded goods - Ralph Lauren, Tommy, Adidas etc. Fact of the matter is, I wear and buy it because 1) it looks good and 2) more importantly - it is better!
Ever hear the expression "You get what you pay for"??? I've worn cheap clothes and they fall apart. Quality clothing doesn't. I used to run my family sports shop and we were merchants for all this capitalism filth and 5 years down the line, I'm still wearing clothes I got from that shop because the quality is unbeatable!

So shut up you muppet.

Back on topic:
I'm 23.
Lots of my mates "live for the weekend" and to a certain extent, I do too. I make the most of the 2 days off and if that involves going out and getting smashed some of the time, so be it!

Make the most of it man - while you've got the energy and desire (and money) to go mad, then do so! You might regret not having got it out of your system while you could've made the most of it

Wyverne · 17-10-2001 01:32PM

what are u on about getting smashed tch tch tch

last time i saw u, u woz wearing de best o'dunnes stores cheapies, and i even out-drank you :-P

lol

hows the form kharn m8 good to see ya heh

Wyv

Stephen · 17-10-2001 07:44PM

Originally posted by Digi_Tilmitt
You misunderstand me

Trendy things are buying Coke, Nike, Littering and insulting those less fortunate than you. If you do these things you will become more powerful wothin your own group of uneducated friends. It's silly but that is how the chain of Command works.

Guess what? I drink coke because I LIKE THE FOOKING TASTE OF IT, not because it is "trendy". I don't see how littering or insulting people would make you more popular. If this is how your friends act, you need to get some new fúcking friends.

Its when they buy Coke, Nike and Mcdonalds that they are being a bit bad. They can buy food and non-top brand clothes, but when they are used to fuel massive Monopolies that huge Corperations have, that is Manipulation.

Its business. I don't HAVE to buy the products these massive global corporations are selling. I prefer the food from my local chipper to the shíte they serve in McD's. I have a mixture of branded and cheapo clothes. I like to drink Coke. What does this make me? Some kind of bastard half-capitalist-drone, half-communist preaching gimp?

When I say to deserve to life I mean that there is a small amount of very nice young people who aren't always trying to opress each other. If the bad young people dissapeared we wpuld soon have a Utopianish society.

You can't use that bullsh1t to justify killing these people. Sure there are plenty of nasty/evil people out there but you can't just go around killing them because they don't fit into your world view.

Lemming · 17-10-2001 08:23PM

Originally posted by Kharn

Right, I wear a lot of branded goods - Ralph Lauren, Tommy, Adidas etc. Fact of the matter is, I wear and buy it because 1) it looks good and 2) more importantly - it is better!

Ever hear the expression "You get what you pay for"??? I've worn cheap clothes and they fall apart. Quality clothing doesn't. I used to run my family sports shop and we were merchants for all this capitalism filth and 5 years down the line, I'm still wearing clothes I got from that shop because the quality is unbeatable!

Erm .. not necessarily so. On the topic of designer gear lasting longer, I've heard the stories of my sister(s) and their friends buying designer footwear from these fashion shops only to have them fall apart 6 months later - after paying triple figure sums for shoes that don't even look like they should be a quarter of that price!

On the otehr hand, I bought a pair of German para, ex-army boots for £27 6 years ago almost (Yes ... 6), and I still have them, and wear them. Certainly not a case of dearer is better.

Digi_Tilmitt · 17-10-2001 10:01PM

Originally posted by Kharn

Right, I wear a lot of branded goods - Ralph Lauren, Tommy, Adidas etc. Fact of the matter is, I wear and buy it because 1) it looks good and 2) more importantly - it is better!
Ever hear the expression "You get what you pay for"??? I've worn cheap clothes and they fall apart. Quality clothing doesn't. I used to run my family sports shop and we were merchants for all this capitalism filth and 5 years down the line, I'm still wearing clothes I got from that shop because the quality is unbeatable!

So shut up you muppet.

Quality made from the hands of slave child labour, you muppet!

Bloody Drunkard · 17-10-2001 11:36PM

Im 17 doing my Leavin Cert and I don't follow anybody's lead

I don't waste a **** load on fancy clothes but i do like to drink but not because it's something my friends do but because it's great fun to get ****faced and stagger around making a tit out of myself.(precious memories) well that is whemever the bastard bouncers let me in.

This **** about expensive = better clothes is ****. You can get a good £20 shirt that will last as long as the same thing with a name sowed on for £80

Yes some of friends fit in the category of being sheep and most people in my school are complete arsetits but there is a lot of young people who have views and don't follow the crowd.

All i can say is bring on UCD next year and freedom sweet beautiful freedom

Sharkey · 18-10-2001 12:12AM

Originally posted by Digi_Tilmitt
You misunderstand me

Trendy things are buying Coke, Nike, Littering and insulting those less fortunate than you. If you do these things you will become more powerful wothin your own group of uneducated friends. It's silly but that is how the chain of Command works.

Well, trading quips and insults is hardly trendy. Littering is hardly capitalistic...just ill-manners. Like a gazillion people, I buy Coke (not Pepsi) because I like the taste - hardly trendy...and a muppet dressed in Nikes is still a muppet.

Its when they buy Coke, Nike and Mcdonalds that they are being a bit bad. They can buy food and non-top brand clothes, but when they are used to fuel massive Monopolies that huge Corperations have, that is Manipulation.

Some would call it buying a brand based in part by the quality of the Mark. People generally know how Coke and Mikky-Ds will taste and assume Nike is a quality brand. Sure they might pay less for off-brand items, but then they take a risk of getting crappy food and clothes.

When I say to deserve to life I mean that there is a small amount of very nice young people who aren't always trying to opress each other. If the bad young people dissapeared we wpuld soon have a Utopianish society.

Never known nice people to be exclusive of capitalists

Digi_Tilmitt · 18-10-2001 08:15AM

Originally posted by Bloody Drunkard
Im 17 doing my Leavin Cert and I don't follow anybody's lead

I don't waste a **** load on fancy clothes but i do like to drink but not because it's something my friends do but because it's great fun to get ****faced and stagger around making a tit out of myself.(precious memories) well that is whemever the bastard bouncers let me in.

This **** about expensive = better clothes is ****. You can get a good £20 shirt that will last as long as the same thing with a name sowed on for £80

Yes some of friends fit in the category of being sheep and most people in my school are complete arsetits but there is a lot of young people who have views and don't follow the crowd.

All i can say is bring on UCD next year and freedom sweet beautiful freedom

I agree with what your saying. Most people are Sheep but a few good young people exist.

Digi_Tilmitt · 18-10-2001 08:20AM

People don't really buy coke because they think its nice. Well on the outside they might think and say that 'I drink Coke because I enjoy the taste.' but at the back of most people's heads is that if they don't drink this they willl recieve no respect from their friends. Most young people don't have 'real' friends, just things to compete with for respect.

Shiminay · 18-10-2001 09:26AM

Originally posted by Digi_Tilmitt
People don't really buy coke because they think its nice. Well on the outside they might think and say that 'I drink Coke because I enjoy the taste.' but at the back of most people's heads is that if they don't drink this they willl recieve no respect from their friends. Most young people don't have 'real' friends, just things to compete with for respect.

How do you know that mate?
I used to drink Coke because it tastes lovely - it really does! Have you ever compared it to "Own Brand" cola - they can't compare!
(I don't drink it any more cause I'm trying to get a bit healthier so I drink water instead).

Re: stuff lasting longer - I'm only speaking from experience. As I said, I'm still wearing branded clothes that I got 5 years ago.
What I'm wearing today:
Ocean Pacific fleece hoodie. Cost: £60-£70 Age: 5 years. Status: almost perfect.
Ralph Lauren Chaps Polo Shirt. Cost: £30ish. Age: 3 years. Status: almost perfect.
Dunnes Stores slacks. Cost: £15. Age: 6 months. Status: not great.
Cat shoes. Cost: £60. Age: 4 months. Status: perfect.

Now, if others have issues with branded goods, fine. I don't
There are plenty of muppets that think they need to wear the stuff to look good, I don't. It's mainly a younger persons thing (pre-adult I mean), but some fools carry it on throughout all their life and fools are what they shall always be.

Lets look at cars in the same way...
I really would love to own a BMW or a Mercedes because they are amongst the best built cars in the world. This isn't a trendy thing (although I really love the look of them), it's a factual. However, some might argue "so long as it gets you from A to B it's grand." Bollix to that! A clapped out banger will do it, but you're gonna have to spend a mint getting it road worthy and all that. May as well get a good car to start with.
Lets apply that to the previous examples...
If you're thirsty, you could buy a drink that'll quench your thirst but tastes foul. So why not spend that few more pence and get something that tastes nice?
You're buying a pair of shoes...
it's £25 for the Dunnes Stores "fall apart in a couple of months" shoes or it's £60 for the Cats that'll last well over a year and a half. hmmmmmmmm. Decisions, decisions....

So what if someone's getting rich off it - fair play to them. Most of us work hard with similar goals in mind "work well, earn cash, spend cash on things I like." What's wrong with rewarding yourself for a good days work? Let the good times roll baby!

young people in ireland

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