Call for rapists to be castrated

CiaranC · 23-06-2005 01:25PM

What does the fact they are foreigners have to do with anything?
Would he rather Italians raped them?

Its the classic far-right hook. Convince the rabid moronic masses to hand the state gross powers to use against whatevers todays emotional target is - pedophiles, rapists or terrorists - and then apply them to your real targets.

Sleipnir · 23-06-2005 01:27PM

Fishie wrote:

I think the issue there is that it is expensive to keep them in prison, and there are limited places

Oh Fantastic!

Prison is expensive but bullets are cheap!?!?! That's your reasoning???
Why don't we abandon civilisation entirely? We'd save loads of money!

"Sorry, we've limited spaces in prisons so we're going to have to shoot you. It's the modern way, I'm afraid"

I'm not debating with 10 year olds who can't see beyond their own noses anymore.

Bomb Baghdad!
Nuke the whale!
Ya bunch of yahoos.

Scarinae · 23-06-2005 01:30PM

ziggy67 wrote:

What does the fact they are foreigners have to do with anything?
Would he rather Italians raped them?

I think it's an attempt to stir up people's anti-foreigner feelings, so that they will back them

Scarinae · 23-06-2005 01:32PM

Sleipnir wrote:

Oh Fantastic!

Prison is expensive but bullets are cheap!?!?! That's your reasoning???
Why don't we abandon civilisation entirely? We'd save loads of money!

"Sorry, we've limited spaces in prisons so we're going to have to shoot you. It's the modern way, I'm afraid"

I'm not debating with 10 year olds who can't see beyond their own noses anymore.

Bomb Baghdad!
Nuke the whale!
Ya bunch of yahoos.

What? I wasn't saying that it was my opinion, and I never said I would advocate shooting people, I was just saying that they can't just fling everyone in prison and leave them there forever. Calm down.

toiletduck · 23-06-2005 01:33PM

Sleipnir wrote:

Bomb Baghdad!
Nuke the whale!
Ya bunch of yahoos.

great come back :rolleyes:

anyways, calling people "yahoos" because they think that sexual offenders aren't be given adequete punishments for their crimes, makes me think that you cant "see past the end of your nose"

Nuttzz · 23-06-2005 01:36PM

Sleipnir wrote:

Bomb Baghdad!

hasnt that been done???

What about allowing their victims decide their fate.

My (ex) fiancée was raped and subsequently killed herself, her rapist has done his time and living his merry life. Personally I feel the world (mine anyway) would be better off with her in it and him out of it.....but what would I know I cant see past my nose.

Sleipnir · 23-06-2005 01:39PM

Fishie: Sorry.

Toiletduck. " sexual offenders aren't given adequate punishment for their crimes" and "castrating people" are polar opposites.

Once you go down the road of allowing the state to castrate people for rape then you open the doors for a whole rake of criminals to be punished physically for their crimes.
That is known as torture.
You can say
"oh but they commited this terrible crime so we're justified in removing his testicles"
but in the end, you're still torturing someone, no matter what they did.

CiaranC · 23-06-2005 01:44PM

anyways, calling people "yahoos" because they think that sexual offenders aren't be given adequete punishments for their crimes, makes me think that you cant "see past the end of your nose"

You made allusions to changing our justice system to one based on the values of communist China. 'Yahoo' is rather a mild term for people like that IMO.

Gilgamesh · 23-06-2005 01:44PM

Nuttzz wrote:

hasnt that been done???

What about allowing their victims decide their fate.

My (ex) fiancée was raped and subsequently killed herself, her rapist has done his time and living his merry life. Personally I feel the world (mine anyway) would be better off with her in it and him out of it.....but what would I know I cant see past my nose.

nearly same story here, but was my ex gf and she didn't succeed to kill herself (thanks to my brother popping over at the time)
butI am not sure if the letting the damaged person would be the one to judge, or even if they are capable.
the problem is, that even sentensing to death can cause serious psychological stress to that person, and i don't think it would be good from that point to let them choose, living with the burden of 'killing' someone

meditraitor · 23-06-2005 01:44PM

The Liberal in me is screaming about the injustice of such a thing, how does castrating these sick cunts help, physically it could end the ability to penetrate,enjoy or whatever but as a previous poster put it there is a lot of violance involved in the majority of rapes, and not being able to perform might only increase the vio;ance as most sexual crimes are about power.

But in my heart I know that if someone raped a member of my family or girlfriend ,castration would not be the route I would take... there would be no cost to the state, shallow grave up the mountains.

Sleipnir · 23-06-2005 01:45PM

Nuttzz wrote:

hasnt that been done???

What about allowing their victims decide their fate.

My (ex) fiancée was raped and subsequently killed herself, her rapist has done his time and living his merry life. Personally I feel the world (mine anyway) would be better off with her in it and him out of it.....but what would I know I cant see past my nose.

And that's not right. Absolutely not right. I don't think I made the argument that they should get away scot-free did I?
He should be in a p!ss-soaked, rat infested pit for the rest of his life but if we cut him up then we're no better than him.
If you were the one to put a knife to a rapist's balls and start cutting, I don't think you'd ever come back from that. Nor would society as a whole.

toiletduck · 23-06-2005 01:47PM

Sleipnir wrote:

Fishie: Sorry.

Toiletduck. " sexual offenders aren't given adequate punishment for their crimes" and "castrating people" are polar opposites.

no there not, i believe that rape is such a serious crime that it warrants a serious punishment, not just a few months locked up in prison.

also i think torture would be more apt to describe what the person who was raped goes through.

Sleipnir · 23-06-2005 01:50PM

meditraitor wrote:

But in my heart I know that if someone raped a member of my family or girlfriend ,castration would not be the route I would take... there would be no cost to the state, shallow grave up the mountains.

Yeah, if someone rapes my girlfriend I could very well kill him, or cut his balls off Easily.
But that would be just me. I would do it and then I would pay for it.
Now, the state sponsoring such actions would be entirely and completely different.

toiletduck · 23-06-2005 01:53PM

CiaranC wrote:

You made allusions to changing our justice system to one based on the values of communist China. 'Yahoo' is rather a mild term for people like that IMO.

im not sure if rape is punishable by death in china, i dont think it is. i could easily call you a bleeding heart tree hugging leftie pinko but i wouldnt because it would lower the tone of the thread.... oops!

the_syco · 23-06-2005 01:58PM

Serbian wrote:

Castrating a rapist doesn't remove the threat that person poses to society. Rape is a violent crime - a crime about power and control, not sex - removing a rapists penis does not render them incapable of committing violent crimes, therefore it is not a solution.

I'm sure they could just use a broom handle, or something. They're already castrated, so what have they got to loose?

toiletduck wrote:

im all for castration for paedophiles and rapists.

The pedo's don't always f*ck the kids: some just molest them. How castration will stop this, I don't know.

toiletduck wrote:

what about if it's a female rapist, they exist you know :eek:

Block it up, and do it so only a straw can fit in.

Fishie wrote:

But wouldn't it also make him less violent? Cos if he was castrated, he'd have less testosterone, or something... Maybe that only works with cats

Maybe, or maybe you'd get violent bas7ards that rape with artificial tools. People sometimes use weapons, knives, sticks, etc, to penatrate their victims, if they are "inadequate" downstairs.

toiletduck wrote:

i believe it's in china that the family is billed for the bullet?

Russia, actually. Secret police, etc.

=-=

I think its bad. If this happened, without ANY trials, I wonder how they would react. And I'm not talking about a sane test subject. I'm talking about someone who's outlet is raping.

Nuttzz · 23-06-2005 02:02PM

Sleipnir wrote:

And that's not right. Absolutely not right. I don't think I made the argument that they should get away scot-free did I?

No, in fairness you didnt.

Sleipnir wrote:

He should be in a p!ss-soaked, rat infested pit for the rest of his life but if we cut him up then we're no better than him.
If you were the one to put a knife to a rapist's balls and start cutting, I don't think you'd ever come back from that. Nor would society as a whole.

sadly we dont, sex offenders get 3 hots and a cot at my (and your) expense. some bloke got 15 years for 3 rapes a few days ago (immgrant or not) he should have got life, life should mean life in these cases, I dont think we should cut them tbh, I'd just shoot the ba$tard, probably because it would put my demons to rest...

CiaranC · 23-06-2005 02:05PM

Sleipnir wrote:

Yeah, if someone rapes my girlfriend I could very well kill him, or cut his balls off Easily.
But that would be just me. I would do it and then I would pay for it.
Now, the state sponsoring such actions would be entirely and completely different.

Exactly.

toiletduck wrote:

i could easily call you a bleeding heart tree hugging leftie pinko but i wouldnt because it would lower the tone of the thread.... oops!

You are the one advocating using communist China as a justice model and handing powers of torture and death to the state, and you think Im the leftie?

Reading too many Sun editorials has clearly damaged your brain

toiletduck · 23-06-2005 02:07PM

the_syco wrote:

Russia, actually. Secret police, etc.

according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China it's china aswell

It was an infamous practice in the past that the government collects a so called "bullet fee" from the relatives of the condemned.

Töpher · 23-06-2005 02:09PM

Nuttzz wrote:

My (ex) fiancée was raped and subsequently killed herself, her rapist has done his time and living his merry life. Personally I feel the world (mine anyway) would be better off with her in it and him out of it.....but what would I know I cant see past my nose.

Similar story here, but twice I happened to be in the right place at the right time to prevent her from taking her own life. I know how angry this makes me, hell, I've seen the guy! I can only begin to imagine how you feel, and sorry man, its all anyone can really say. I would feel the same as yourself on the situation, we would be better off without these scumbags, but unfortunately, as a supposedly civilised society we can't resort to these extreme actions, mutilating his body would be wrong, and drags us to their level.

These people are more dangerous to society/people than drug users, yet which one gets the harsher punishment? It's easy for people to say we're horrible for wanting to hurt those who hurt our loved ones, and it extends beyond the one incident, it takes a serious toll on the emotions and stability of the victim (and those close to the victim, its not easy for anyone to deal with, especially seeing the suffering of a loved one - caused by some filth), and these people cannot be allowed to walk the streets. I know we can't legally have them put down, but lock the bástárds up and throw away the key!

sprinkles · 23-06-2005 02:09PM

toiletduck wrote:

[what about if it's a female rapist, they exist you know

You wish!

But seriously, I can't see this actually happeneing. Surely its unethical to physically scar a person no matter what the crime. I have heard of peoples hands being cut off etc but the whole wrongly convicted arguement would put an end to any such methods being used in "civilised" societies (thats my version of civilised at least).

Rape and sexual crimes are inexscuable but this would seem to be a step in the wrong direction. There are other means of punishment.

Nuttzz · 23-06-2005 02:13PM

sprinkles wrote:

There are other means of punishment.

how about convicted rapist tatoo'd on their forehead?

toiletduck · 23-06-2005 02:14PM

CiaranC wrote:

You are the one advocating using communist China as a justice model and handing powers of torture and death to the state, and you think Im the leftie?

Reading too many Sun editorials has clearly damaged your brain

im not avocating anything other than increasing the serveity of punishments for rapists. And i dont know if you've been living in a cave for the past few years but you should go to china and see for yourself, for a supposedly communist country there's a lot of evidence of free market capitalism all around. btw it's funny, i didnt know the indo (which is what i read btw) carried editorals from the sun, you might have missed it but i said earlier i didnt read that.

CiaranC · 23-06-2005 02:15PM

Einst&#252 wrote: »

It's easy for people to say we're horrible for wanting to hurt those who hurt our loved ones

I dont think anyone could say you are horrible, its entirely understandable IMO.

Stephen · 23-06-2005 02:23PM

Sleipnir wrote:

Doctor Mengele was very good at chemical castration; became quite the expert I believe.

Wow, Godwinned on the first page.

N_Raid · 23-06-2005 02:24PM

Originally Posted by Nuttzz
What about allowing their victims decide their fate.

Well I've known a few people who have been mugged (I know it's a world of difference but keep reading) and afterwards they'd love to be able to find them and kick the living shíte out of them. Now if what your saying was allowed and the courts started handing out sentences of ten minutes of having your head kicked in by Garda Knuckles to people convicted of mugging there'd be fúckin uproar.

Same reason I gotta say:to people saying they know people it happened to and they'd be all for castration, it's one of the worst things imaginable to happen yeah, but you really have to take yourself away from your own experiences to make a fair call. We couldn't have decisions like this being made with emotion as the basis. There has to be a logical argument and good solid reasons behind it not just 'they're the scum of the earth'

toiletduck · 23-06-2005 02:26PM

Stephen wrote:

Wow, Godwinned on the first page.

lol, good ol' Godwin!

OLDYELLAR · 23-06-2005 02:39PM

I love the guy that wants this law , need a few more like that in Ireland , best suggestion I heard in a long time.

joejoem · 23-06-2005 02:40PM

Nuttzz wrote:

how about convicted rapist tatoo'd on their forehead?

here here, great idea.

OLDYELLAR · 23-06-2005 02:43PM

joejoem wrote:

here here, great idea.

When he folllows ya home on a dark night a TATOO wouldnt be too helpful to the victim.

toiletduck · 23-06-2005 02:46PM

joejoem wrote:

here here, great idea.

could get it removed with lasers or grow his hair long though

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