So dublin mightn't be that bad after all

Kingsize · 20-06-2005 10:03AM

Flukey - I had my first big croker experience yesterday ( not counting u2 concert in 1987)it wont be my last,I was never really into the Gaa but meself & a mate went along yesterday for the laugh,atmosphere was great & weather was too plus Dublin won

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Lex_Diamonds · 20-06-2005 11:23AM

The amount of junkies is unreal though.

Where the hell are these "Iveagh Gardens" I keep hearing so much about?

Draupnir · 20-06-2005 11:34AM

Past Stephens Green near the Concert Hall.

I dunno how people dont like Dublin, as a born and bred Dub, I love the place. Best atmosphere in the world in my opinion, although its kinda not as good as it was when I was younger. I love it here though. Love it.

Sleepy · 20-06-2005 11:44AM

Draupnir, it's probably down to the fact that the atmosphere is pretty far from the being in the world rankings. The atmospheres of condescension and intimidation are ever-present here.

That said, on a sunny day you can't see most of the dirt, there's talent everywhere wearing very little and becaue we get so few really good days even the knackers are in good form.

It's far from the worst spot in the world but it'll still never rival any of the truly great cities.

Draupnir · 20-06-2005 11:52AM

We are probably just very different people, I never feel intimidated in Dublin and Ive been to a few of the worlds "greatest cities" where I found people to be far more condescending, New York for example.

I find the atmosphere in Dublin to be relaxed and enjoyable, I think a lot of people, especially judging from the amount of threads about it around boards, are fairly snobbish, any kid in a tracksuit is a scumbag kinda mentality. So instead of enjoying the atmosphere, lots of people seem to worry about being robbed etc.

I reckon its just the type of person you are. I really enjoy Dublin Bus travel for example, watching the people at College Green waiting for the lights to change and that kind of thing, listening to the kids down the back talking and stuff, its not all faceless and impersonal like in New York, and thats what I like about it.

Piste · 20-06-2005 12:44PM

Lex_Diamonds wrote:

Where the hell are these "Iveagh Gardens" I keep hearing so much about?

They're Just off Harcourt street aat the end of Clonmel street. (I dunno if it's clonmel street, ubt it begins with a C anyway)

Sleepy · 20-06-2005 01:01PM

Draupnir wrote:

We are probably just very different people, I never feel intimidated in Dublin and Ive been to a few of the worlds "greatest cities" where I found people to be far more condescending, New York for example.

Never been to New York so I can't comment but I'd much prefer cities like Galway or Edinburgh where there's a totally relaxed, live and let live attitude to life...

I find the atmosphere in Dublin to be relaxed and enjoyable, I think a lot of people, especially judging from the amount of threads about it around boards, are fairly snobbish, any kid in a tracksuit is a scumbag kinda mentality. So instead of enjoying the atmosphere, lots of people seem to worry about being robbed etc

I reckon its just the type of person you are. I really enjoy Dublin Bus travel for example, watching the people at College Green waiting for the lights to change and that kind of thing, listening to the kids down the back talking and stuff, its not all faceless and impersonal like in New York, and thats what I like about it.

If it's snobbish to hate the little brats on the bus that force their inane sh:te-talk on everyone on the bus then I'm a snob. The rich-kids seem to be the loudest whilst the scumbag kids are the most likely to start annoying you personally. If you enjoy that, we're certainly very different people. I'd just consider that extremely rude and a sign that the kid was dragged up by parents who just didn't give a fvck or parents who think that the best way to raise a child is to throw money at them.

ergo · 20-06-2005 01:18PM

amazingemmet wrote:

anyone any other stories that make dublin seem less crap

funny you say that,

a good few years back on a really sunny Saturday I remember I spent the morning lying out in the Iveagh Gardens and writing some letters *sigh* to people who had gone away for the summer (actually it was '97, pre-e-mail for a lot of people)), it was so chilled out

that same afternoon I was in Trinity reading a college book in the sun ahead of the exam repeats *sighs again*and got talking to an American girl who had some flowers for some reason and gave me one, nice to get flowers out of the blue on a sunny day in Dublin, doesn't happen v often but

and Croke Park yesterday was the only place to be, what an atmosphere, what an exciting game even for a neutral who, like most neutrals wouldn't have minded Dublin losing

there's lots to love about Dublin, especially how cosmopolitan it's become

Draupnir · 20-06-2005 02:21PM

Sleepy wrote:

If it's snobbish to hate the little brats on the bus that force their inane sh:te-talk on everyone on the bus then I'm a snob. The rich-kids seem to be the loudest whilst the scumbag kids are the most likely to start annoying you personally. If you enjoy that, we're certainly very different people. I'd just consider that extremely rude and a sign that the kid was dragged up by parents who just didn't give a fvck or parents who think that the best way to raise a child is to throw money at them.

So ya dont like loud kids and youre jealous of people with money. Interesting. You've got a tough 50 years ahead man.

If anyone starts messing with you personally, taking the mick, giving you hassle, thats unacceptable, but its not a Dublin thing. Its a world thing really.

Sleepy · 20-06-2005 02:27PM

Where'd you get the idea that I'm jealous of people with money? I just don't think that throwing money at your kids because you can't be bothered spending time with them is acceptable.

And Dublin buses are certainly a lot worse than most for noise levels generated by the brats riding them.

Draupnir · 20-06-2005 02:32PM

Seems to me like youre jealous of the kids who have loads of expensive gear that you never had when you were a kid. Just because kids are well dressed and have good stuff, doesnt mean their parents threw money at them and didnt spend time with the either. Bit of a sweeping generalisation there.

By loud do you mean, these "brats" are laughing and joking with their friends at a noise level you dont like? Hardly seems like a heinous crime that is destroying the cities atmosphere. Could be worse, in New York, crazies get on the subway and beg a lot, and some come on and tell you a little story about how they got aids and need food.

I was in London and a load of charity workers were on the tube trying to get some of my hard earned off me for homeless people, lot worse than a few noisy kids.

Ive even been to Edinburgh, where two homeless people had sex in a bush in the Castle grounds, about 10 feet from where myself and my friends where eating a picnic.

Every city has a few horror stories, Dublin less than others.

OFDM · 20-06-2005 02:45PM

Tar.Aldarion wrote:

edit:lol that was posted by my dog,he jumped up and clicked the mouse

This gave me an idea for a "what body part do you post with?" thread, but I don't want to get banned.

And where are these Iveagh Gardens anyway?

Piste · 20-06-2005 03:00PM

Piste wrote:

They're Just off Harcourt street aat the end of Clonmel street. (I dunno if it's clonmel street, but it begins with a C anyway)

^They're there^ I'm fairly sure it's Clonmel street now.

Sleepy · 20-06-2005 03:00PM

Draupnir wrote:

Seems to me like youre jealous of the kids who have loads of expensive gear that you never had when you were a kid. Just because kids are well dressed and have good stuff, doesnt mean their parents threw money at them and didnt spend time with the either. Bit of a sweeping generalisation there.

By loud do you mean, these "brats" are laughing and joking with their friends at a noise level you dont like? Hardly seems like a heinous crime that is destroying the cities atmosphere. Could be worse, in New York, crazies get on the subway and beg a lot, and some come on and tell you a little story about how they got aids and need food.

I was in London and a load of charity workers were on the tube trying to get some of my hard earned off me for homeless people, lot worse than a few noisy kids.

Ive even been to Edinburgh, where two homeless people had sex in a bush in the Castle grounds, about 10 feet from where myself and my friends where eating a picnic.

Every city has a few horror stories, Dublin less than others.

Maybe Dublin is better than most other cities and I was just lucky enough to grow up in some sort of paradise because Galway doesn't suffer from the same lack of manners and respect for others as Dublin does... Sure you get some hassle and noisy brats etc. but it's not the norm the way it is up here.

Don't get me wrong, I've grown to quite like Dublin. I just think it'd be a nicer place if there was a mass culling of scumbags and twats.

Draupnir · 20-06-2005 03:04PM

Ive been to Galway and liked it a lot. That was until people started throwing pints glasses at each other and kicking the crap out of each other at about 2 in the morning while queueing for taxis. That felt very intimidating I have to say.

But I must say, Im a Galway fan too. Like Dublin better though, it has that cosmopolitan feel to it whereas Galway has the small town, everyone is related feel still going which is nice..

griffdaddy · 20-06-2005 03:19PM

a study documenting the most expensive cities in the world was published recently and Dublin is 13th in the world. It's in todays 'Evening Herald' I find the Herald's pro-consumeristic rants a bit hard to swallow, seeing as it's the most expensive toilet paper in the world

Sleepy · 20-06-2005 03:44PM

Draupnir wrote:

Ive been to Galway and liked it a lot. That was until people started throwing pints glasses at each other and kicking the crap out of each other at about 2 in the morning while queueing for taxis. That felt very intimidating I have to say.

But I must say, Im a Galway fan too. Like Dublin better though, it has that cosmopolitan feel to it whereas Galway has the small town, everyone is related feel still going which is nice..

I suspect there's a case of both of us wearing rose-tinted glasses where our own home cities are concerned here!

I think for me, I like the bohemian feeling of cities like Galway, Edinburgh and some parts of Paris. As for the brats on the buses, it could largely be down to the fact Dublin is that much bigger so walking or cycling aren't as viable an option to kids as they are in Galway.

MorningStar · 20-06-2005 04:05PM

Sleepy wrote:

I suspect there's a case of both of us wearing rose-tinted glasses where our own home cities are concerned here!

I think for me, I like the bohemian feeling of cities like Galway, Edinburgh and some parts of Paris. As for the brats on the buses, it could largely be down to the fact Dublin is that much bigger so walking or cycling aren't as viable an option to kids as they are in Galway.

How long have you ever spent in other cities? It sounds like you dislike people not cities. Edinburgh is pretty small and Galway is smaller as far as I know. It's easy to be bohemian in a small place and easier again when there isn't a lot of money about. I grew up in Dublin and I have watched the bohemian style of Dublin dwindle. What I do dislike about Dublin is all the people from the country who come up and bitch about the place. As the capital we have the largest population and all the connected problems. To bitch about Dublin's problems as purely it's own is plain ignorance.
If you want bohemian Galway live there. If you are here for your job well then Galway is a crap hole that can't sustain you so what good is that. I'd rather have dublin people able to afford to live here then have a pile of people who hate the place living here pushing house prices up. Maybe the reason you live in a non-bohemian Dublin is because you are up here earning money. Anybody I know and would call bohemian doesn't tend to judge people on apperances as you have.

I my daily Dublin life I say hello on average to 20 people I only know to see just from walking my dogs. Dublin life is not all in the city and many people who live in Dublin don't realise what the suburbs are and what the life of people is like there.

Draupnir · 20-06-2005 04:18PM

I miss saying Hello to people who you dont really know walking down the street, there is less of that in Dublin these days. Still try to get about 5 in a day though.

MorningStar · 20-06-2005 04:30PM

Draupnir wrote:

I miss saying Hello to people who you dont really know walking down the street, there is less of that in Dublin these days. Still try to get about 5 in a day though.

I know what you mean but the population of the city has jumped up a lot and the city is not that easy to know people just by sight.

I must admit Edinburgh reminded me a lot of what Dublin was like 20 years ago.

Sleepy · 20-06-2005 05:15PM

MorningStar wrote:

How long have you ever spent in other cities? It sounds like you dislike people not cities. Edinburgh is pretty small and Galway is smaller as far as I know. It's easy to be bohemian in a small place and easier again when there isn't a lot of money about. I grew up in Dublin and I have watched the bohemian style of Dublin dwindle. What I do dislike about Dublin is all the people from the country who come up and bitch about the place. As the capital we have the largest population and all the connected problems. To bitch about Dublin's problems as purely it's own is plain ignorance.
If you want bohemian Galway live there. If you are here for your job well then Galway is a crap hole that can't sustain you so what good is that. I'd rather have dublin people able to afford to live here then have a pile of people who hate the place living here pushing house prices up. Maybe the reason you live in a non-bohemian Dublin is because you are up here earning money. Anybody I know and would call bohemian doesn't tend to judge people on apperances as you have.

Sounds like you hate people too, just different people

Thanks to the mismanagement of this country by our government most people who want a career are forced to move to Dublin. Some of us get to like it, others hate it and end up having to sacrifice their careers for their sanity. I bitch about problems because I want to see something done about them. Unfortunately, most of this country have a "sure it'll be alright" attitude which sees the same corrupt, incompetent idiots elected every year.

I judge people on their behaviour, not their appearance. Where did I ever comment on appearance in this thread? A bunch of kids singing Blackrock Rugby songs on a bus are obviously from wealthy backgrounds and haven't got the manners to respect the rights of others on the bus not to have to listen to their roaring => spoilt brats. A bunch of kids smoking amd giving grief to any woman that dares come upstairs on the bus are obviously little scumbags.

I my daily Dublin life I say hello on average to 20 people I only know to see just from walking my dogs. Dublin life is not all in the city and many people who live in Dublin don't realise what the suburbs are and what the life of people is like there.

I'm living and working in the suburbs and I agree it's far better out here than in town. It's peaceful and tbh dull but when you need a job, you take one where you can get it.

Don't get me wrong, there are things I love about Dublin (some of it's bars and restaraunts, markets, shops, the proximity to good concerts and the airport) but it has a hell of a lot of problems that don't exist in other parts of Ireland (or at least not nearly on the same levels) that there are no excuse for there to be.

Tar.Aldarion · 20-06-2005 05:40PM

OFDM wrote:

This gave me an idea for a "what body part do you post with?" thread, but I don't want to get banned.

LOL^^

and don't argue dublin is better than galway lol
having spent loads of time in both,galway is a nice friendly place and shock you can hang out anywhere at night,not so with dublin.
where is there more crime? :rolleyes:
sure i like dublin but its not as nice,friendly,good priced

as other places.
the last time we were there a guy just came up and hit my friend,not even one word...didn't get away with it...but nonetheless so many knackers....

jonny68 · 20-06-2005 06:22PM

Im a born and bred Dub meself,and ive always said it would be an amazing place if it only wasnt so fcukin expensive for everything

Hugh Hefner · 20-06-2005 06:36PM

I was at a Summer course reunion (CTYI) in St. Stephen's Green. There must have been about 40-50 of us. Then we saw that Hagen Daz were giving out free pots of ice-cream across the road! That was a good day!:D

I've always liked Dublin, mainly cos' it's the capital and has everything. It's some people who make Dublin a bit crappy, but the place itself isn't crappy.

Emmo · 20-06-2005 07:20PM

Well to be honest what makes Dublin is the dicotomy. Rich and poor have to mingle, it's so small. Culthies and Dubs mix.

Country kids coming up to Dublin and seeing things like gays and facial piercings.

I think while Galway or Cork might have more Bohemian vibe going on they are also cursed with huge attitudes towards Dubs. Thats a real negative right there.

New York and London are amazingly vibrant cities, very alive and always moving. They are also two of the most lonely places on earth if your there on a bad day.

Paris and Copenhagen is as overpriced as they come, LA and San Fran as full of fakers and failed hippies who want a piece or everything you have.

Munich is grey and souless. Vegas is the most exciting place on earth, except when the fun stops. Prague left me feeling dirty and completely unfulfilled and then so alive.

Everywhere is great and everywhere is the worst spot on the earth. The difference?

YOU

your attitude to some where is whats makes or breaks a place. Find some where that you can be you and realise its not going to be great all the time.

Dublin is where my mother beat cancer and where her father died. It's where I want to be.

Emmo

MorningStar · 20-06-2005 08:12PM

Why don't all the people moaning about Dublin realise that this thread seems to be created to say nice things about Dublin. If you want to moan go create another thread.
Dublin is great because it has theoretically got full employment. Go to the USA and see how many state capitals have that. Try most countires and you will see Dublin is good.

Dublin is expensive because people have money, wages are higher here and property is expensive. That is what happens when an economy does well.

For all those who have to work here just realise this you don't you have choices. You are still in Ireland a generation ago you would have had to leave the country and be moaning about there. You had a choice on your eduction if there was no or little employment around you in that field you effectively chose to move.
Any city Dublin's size will have social problems but as roughly a third of the country live in Dublin you will see more. For all the people who blame the government just understand most of the politicians are not from Dublin. So what ever side the fence we all have responsibility for the way Dublin is.

I like Dublin, Paris, New York, Boston. I dislike Brussels, London.
People who come vist Dublin love the place and more tourists are coming here than before and they aren't going down to the country so it's nicer than many of us think.

So dublin mightn't be that bad after all

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