Formula One: R.I.P.

Jonny Arson · 19-06-2005 06:08PM #1

F1, you have provide so many great moments for me and many other motor racing fans but tragically you finally blew it and your sport died today at 7pm.

Bernie Ecclestaone, Max Mosely, other F1 cheifs, teams and of course Michelin thanks for ruining this once great sport. You tried your hardest over the past few years to kill it off and you have finally suceeded. I will never watch this sport ever again.

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byte · 19-06-2005 06:16PM

Inclined to agree with you, though I have been waning from it for a while now.

muckwarrior · 19-06-2005 06:19PM

In fairness, if you ignore all the political bullshít it's been a pretty entertaining season up to now IMO.

DMC · 19-06-2005 06:19PM

Spectators are livid on 5 Live.....

el rabitos · 19-06-2005 06:26PM

i've loved f1 since as long as i can remember so its a sad day for the sport

too many ego's
too much politics going on
ferrari with constant unsportingly behaviour undermines the efforts of the other teams.

best season in years so far on the track. f1 didnt need this at this time and at this particular race

0utshined · 19-06-2005 06:55PM

What happened?

***Edit: Just found out. Seems like a bit of a joke tbh.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=sportsNews&storyID=8831381

Ay Cee · 19-06-2005 08:00PM

I was gonna post under the exact same topic title!

It's all fuked up but what has me confused the most is the classification.

It's shows Trulli as 7th and Kimi as 8th. What I don't get is, if they all pulled in after the formation lap (in order) then surely Jarno would have been the 1st to retire, Kimi 2nd etc.

Should it not be the reverse order? With DC taking 7th?!

Tá mé ana conflusterized.

OFDM · 19-06-2005 08:05PM

First they ruined pit stops by introducing refueling, then they made them worse by getting rid of tyre changes. I can remember when McLaren could change all 4 of Senna's tyre's in under 5 seconds. That was exciting stuff.

And they made qualifying completely unexciting too with this one lap crap. F1's gone to hell in the last 5 to 10 years.

Jonny Arson · 19-06-2005 08:28PM

On the track its been ok but we all know these idiots controlling F1 have f**ked around with the rules and regulations so much that the sport has become nothing but laughable.

What must happen now:

Michelin have to be kicked out of F1 and fined till kingdom come - no one can argue with that after today.

Bernie Ecclestone has to resign - when he was been interviewed by Martin Brundle he conclusively proved what an arrogant t**ser he is. The only thing he cares about is money.

Max Mosely also has to resign - He has been the man responsible for all this clowning around of the rules for the past 3/4 years that has lead to the inevitable happening.

The FIA must cut their ties with Ferrari - we all know the words FIA and ferrari go together and are one. Ferrari have too much say over everything in this sport are only in this for themselves. The testing scenario proves this. The teams must lose any say over regualtions and there must be one voice in F1 and that is the FIA.

Tony George must sue the FIA - Tony George head of the Indianapolis motor speedway will lose millions upon millions from refunds he must give back to the public. The FIA must refund him and all of the fans who spend so much hard earned cash on attending todays GP.

These are just some of things that must happen if Formula 1 is to ever regain any credibility after today. Sadly the damage is already done and is irrepairable. The will never be a US GP ever again after this.

I'm going to watch some real and professionally run motor racing now in the form of NASCAR, IRL, Champ Car, BTCC, DTM, Moto GP, British Superbikes, WTCC, Britsh F3...... the list goes on and on, the so called pinnicle of motor racing is the biggest sham of them all!

flocker · 19-06-2005 08:37PM

There is a solution, wheel to wheel RACING, overtaking, sideways action, characters and entertainment it must be Moto GP or Superbikes. I was never really into bikes but l have found that the racing close and eventful.
Today's USA GP was a fiasco and joke and sad sad day for F1, looking forward to Assen.

steviec · 19-06-2005 08:40PM

It was cringeworthy watching Bernie being interviewed by Brundle. He messed up bigtime this weekend, as did the FIA.

I think it's being blown out of proportion somewhat though. This has been the best F1 season for years and ratings are way up and one semi-abandoned race isn't going to undo that. Races have been abandoned before, matches have been abandoned in other sports. The completely avoidable nature by which it happened is the problem, and there will have to be repurcussions for those who messed up. But it's definitely not the end of formula 1.

Also, a couple of people on this thread are complaining about Ferrari. What the hell? They came to race, they did a good job and were competitive all weekend, they actually raced a little and put on more of a show than they could have. They were dignified on the podium while Monteiro milked it. What the hell are Ferrari guilty of? All three bridgestone teams were rightly racing, whatever Stoddart says. 6 cars is better than 4 cars or 2 cars or no cars. Just because other teams mess up its not their problem. It's like when people blamed Ferrari for being too fast a couple of years ago rather than the real problem of nobody else being competitive :rolleyes:

The blame for this weekend lies on Michelin. They created a situation that the FIA were too incompetent to deal with. Bridgestone have got a lot of bad publicity for being uncompetive all season and now it's Michelin's turn in that spotlight. It'll be interesting to see how they bounce back. And what rules are put in place to make sure the problem doesn't occur again. I don't think flinging up a chicane in an hour was a realistic option by the way. Just an attempt by Michelin to put the blame on someone else. If their components were only capable of taking that corner at a certain speed then they should take it at that speed without the need for a chicane to just artificially slow the bridgestones down to their level.

lomb · 19-06-2005 08:41PM

michael and rubens race was fixed also, they were lying thru their teeth in the after race conference,the going into the grass was fixed to salvage something of it, 'close racing' my ass, both ferraris were lapping at nearly the same pace as the backmarkers!

its pure crap these days anyway.

Dempsey · 19-06-2005 09:05PM

Ferrari are rightly being competitive but on a weekend like this where the sport is in crisis not to stand and say "FIA, yer a pack of FÚCKING IDIOTS, put in the chicane and let us all race", no they didnt, they've no concern about the sports future.

Bring back Good Year, all is forgiven..

Ay Cee · 19-06-2005 09:25PM

the going into the grass was fixed

No way was that fixed! Ferrari would not risk taking both cars out for the sake of a show. Ferrari race to the 2nd pit stop. Who ever is in the lead then stays put.

Plus all their radio is monitored so they're not gonna risk being overheard telling the drivers what to do.

lomb · 19-06-2005 09:27PM

Ay Cee wrote:

No way was that fixed! Ferrari would not risk taking both cars out for the sake of a show. Ferrari race to the 2nd pit stop. Who ever is in the lead then stays put.

Plus all their radio is monitored so they're not gonna risk being overheard telling the drivers what to do.

haha of course it was fixed, rubens should have pushed hard that lap knowing michael was on the way out!this is ferrari we are talking about, they needed to get their man in front of the pawn known as rubens whilst making it look good......

also i think ferrari have 'code words' like thats a 'ten-four' means micheals coming out and u better let him past and make it look real or u can enjoy retirement u pawn........

mad m · 19-06-2005 09:34PM

Haha,ah no way lads is Rubens Michaels dog....Woof...here boy...good Rubens...good boy.

lomb · 19-06-2005 09:40PM

WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF im rubens WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF

Azza · 19-06-2005 10:04PM

Why did they not award all Bridgestone teams max points, throw in the chicane and allow the teams to race for another set of points.

Michelin made an error and a staggering one at that and they should be severly punished but exclusion is abit much for one mistake.

Ferrari on the other hand realising that this was a chance to get there championship back on track blocked the chicane idea (but the FAI was not going for that idea and was within its right to do so even if ferrari had backed the idea it was a none stater). Why should the playing field be leveled for there rivals (championship rivals) screwing up. Any solution that resulted in ferrari getting more points than there rivals where preferable to the other teams getting a chicane or race rerun (or michelin recieving a fine and other teams raced and scored more points). But a poor decision for race fans Ferrari popular as they are would of gained respect by agreeing to them (making them appear to care for the fans).

Nuttzz · 19-06-2005 10:58PM

they should have put in the chicane and then docked each michlein runner ten places at the end of the race.

Young Siward · 19-06-2005 11:19PM

Bernie to Brundle: Saturday wrote:

"Yes there will be 20 car race tomorrow"

Bullsh*t

Yes Michelin effed up. When you have 7 of the top 8 teams doing constant development for you, putting in 3 times the mileage the Bridgestone lads are doing, then this shouldn't happen. Already storys are circulating that they're out of F1, which will end up as more bullsh*t. Now Bridgestone did have some test data off the Firestone slicks used at the Indy 500, but this was ridiculous.

Yet not as ridiculous as the FIA/Ferrari's non attempts to play ball.

There was plenty of solutions on the table.

They could have deleted all the Michelin times and let them run on the harder compounds being flown out.
They could have awarded half points to the Michelin runners and let them run on harder tyres.
They could agreed to put in that chicane.
They could have given each Michelin runner time penalties after the race.

Of course Ferrari's continued insistance to look after their own self interest locked them out. Howeverit would be easy to blame Ferrari for all F1's problems - it's not their fault what happened today but they could have done more IMO.

BTW for how much longer is Rubens going to sit and take what Ferrari are doing to him. Yes he is an inferior driver to Schuey but how much can a man take? I thought the corner was his, it all smacks of Austria all over again. Disgusting.

MrPudding · 20-06-2005 07:55AM

Young Siward wrote:

They could have deleted all the Michelin times and let them run on the harder compounds being flown out.

They flew out other tyres but couldn't say that these wouldn't also have the problem.

I appreciate that most people think a compromise should have been agreed but I think Whiting's letter says it all. Why should a team that got it right be punished because other team did not bring the correct kit?

Why is it so bad that F1 had a bad race? Is this the first time a shorting event has not run as planned? Has there never been a sporting event cancelled?

What would happen if a football team turned up to an away match with no kit? Would they play shirts and skins? Would the home team offer to play without boots to "level the playing field?"

What is bullsh1t is the crap most people here are talking. Sure it was a fcukup, it was Michelin's fcukup. Not the FIA, not Jordan, not Minardi and not Ferrari. Get over yourselves. If you are so fickle that one controversy in one race puts you off an entire sport then that is your loss.

The whole reason they have been changing the rules is to try to make the sport more interesting. Of all the changes made over the last few years the only one I really don't like is the single lap qualifying. I preferred the old system, even though you usually saw no action for have the qualifying period (one of the reasons for bringing in teh single lap qualifying in the first place.)

Most of the new rule changes have had a good effect on the races, this season being one of the most exciting I can remember.

MrP

Kali · 20-06-2005 08:11AM

Was I the only one routing for a Minardi to take third? Jordan didn't deserve it

Töpher · 20-06-2005 08:21AM

Kali wrote:

Was I the only one routing for a Minardi to take third? Jordan didn't deserve it

They'd have milked it more than Moteiro...

Ay Cee · 20-06-2005 08:38AM

What is bullsh1t is the crap most people here are talking. Sure it was a fcukup, it was Michelin's fcukup. Not the FIA, not Jordan, not Minardi and not Ferrari. Get over yourselves. If you are so fickle that one controversy in one race puts you off an entire sport then that is your loss.

Good point!

Curran · 20-06-2005 08:40AM

What is bullsh1t is the crap most people here are talking. Sure it was a fcukup, it was Michelin's fcukup. Not the FIA, not Jordan, not Minardi and not Ferrari. Get over yourselves. If you are so fickle that one controversy in one race puts you off an entire sport then that is your loss.

Ay Cee wrote:

Good point!

I agree!!!

Robbo · 20-06-2005 01:57PM

MrPudding wrote:

What is bullsh1t is the crap most people here are talking. Sure it was a fcukup, it was Michelin's fcukup. Not the FIA, not Jordan, not Minardi and not Ferrari. Get over yourselves. If you are so fickle that one controversy in one race puts you off an entire sport then that is your loss.

Where would the internet be without gloriously OTT kneejerk forum posts?

****ups happen in every sport. Look at the Aintree Grand National when they had to cancel due to not being able to get the start right, look at football games abandoned due to hooliganism, look at GAA matches that end in courtrooms...

Jonny Arson · 20-06-2005 03:54PM

Robbo wrote:

Where would the internet be without gloriously OTT kneejerk forum posts?

****ups happen in every sport. Look at the Aintree Grand National when they had to cancel due to not being able to get the start right, look at football games abandoned due to hooliganism, look at GAA matches that end in courtrooms...

So that means what happened yesterday is totally acceptable?

BS

Lamar · 20-06-2005 03:57PM

no-one can blame the FIA for it....you can just blame michelin....bridgestone did there job and brought the right tyre...do you thing there would have been such a big fuss if the brigestone cars didnt run?i somehow dont think so......
i couldnt really care tho...ferarri 1 2 so im happy.....

Jonny Arson · 20-06-2005 04:02PM

Lamar wrote:

no-one can blame the FIA for it....you can just blame michelin....bridgestone did there job and brought the right tyre...do you thing there would have been such a big fuss if the brigestone cars didnt run?i somehow dont think so......
i couldnt really care tho...ferarri 1 2 so im happy.....

This event was the FIA's show... they are responsible overall. Michelin are responsible for the incident and deservedly should be kicked out of F1. The GP should have never gone ahead. If the FIA and teams showed any respect for the fans they would have cancelled the GP before it started and re-run the race towards the end of the season.

Oh yeah Ferrari 1 2 thats a tremendous result isn't? :rolleyes:

Robbo · 20-06-2005 04:05PM

Zane from MTV2 wrote:

So that means what happened yesterday is totally acceptable?

BS

In no way whatsoever. It was more to highlight how absurd some of the reactions along the lines of "I'll never watch another grand prix again and I'll blind my children so they don't have to either" have been, that I've seen scattered around various corners of t'internet.

Personally, I see yesterday's events as an unfortunate solution to a chain of worst case scenario style occurences.

Corben Dallas · 20-06-2005 04:09PM

Well done Ferrari! Hats off on a stunning 'win at all costs' race.

/sarcasm

Ferrari vetoed the chinace idea, cause they are desperate to win under any cirumstances. If Jordan (useless fukcers that they are - EJ would never have allowed this to happen on his watch) had stuck to there origanal deal that they would'nt race with the chinace neither would have Minardi.

I think Ferrari are so desparate to win now they would have their two cars out and circulated alone for 70laps.

They already have refused to take part in teh cost cutting test milage ban this year, all other 9 teams signed, Ferrari didnt.
and Michelin didnt veto Bridgstone in Brazil 03 when you fooked up forgot to bring any full wets.
What goes arround comes around Ferrari.

So lets all give a big hand to Micheal Schumacher and the Ferrari Managenment for their crushing of those fearsome battlers and giants of F1 Jordan and Minardi

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Formula One: R.I.P.

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