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Dublin's latest scam

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,807 ✭✭✭chump


    there was an article about him in one of the sunday papers a few weeks ago, the journo got done for a hundred or 2 hundred euro... sucker! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    But you people are worse to give these scammers any money at all, even 1euro or 30 cents. As stated in the Romany Gypsy thread, **** them, give them nothing, then they'll stop chancing their arm. It's only probably because you lads are afraid of the person or are afraid to say 'no' for some other reason ,that you hand over anything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭Kingsize


    theres a simple solution dont give any of the fukkers your money.
    It may sound bad but believe me its the only way that genuinely needy people are going to get the attention they need.it makes me so angry to see people going to the bother of going out & giving soup & sandwiches to scam artists & bogus beggars who all go home to their comfy beds after a hard days graft( or should i say grift).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 166 ✭✭bragan


    Kernel wrote:
    But you people are worse to give these scammers any money at all, even 1euro or 30 cents. As stated in the Romany Gypsy thread, **** them, give them nothing, then they'll stop chancing their arm. It's only probably because you lads are afraid of the person or are afraid to say 'no' for some other reason ,that you hand over anything.

    i agree with you on that. and as i said i wouldn't usually give people money. i have said no on many occasions. this guy is particulary good at being scared and upset, which is why i was so annoyed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭BizzyC


    Genuinely needy people tend seek help from organisations.
    The vast majority of people begging are those that don't have a valid case to receive aid, and are just chancing their arm.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,218 ✭✭✭✭Crash


    He's tried that one on me about five times in the past two years - didnt have any cash on me the first time - anyhow kinda twigged it was waaay too well rehearsed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    tell them to fook off


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,382 ✭✭✭✭AARRRGH


    The fact that he claims he is a tourist who got a "traditional irish welcome" (a mugging) really infuriates me.

    I have seen him many times.

    Next time, I'm decking him. Seriously. I know I will get in trouble for this, but he deserves it.

    I seriously hate that guy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,772 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    bragan wrote:
    Anyway, i was wondering has anyone else met this scottish scammer??
    He’s been working the city centre for a few years now and seems to specialize in short cons, such as the one you described. I’ve personally run into him so many times at this stage that he recognizes me and will joke about not wasting each other’s time.
    Kernel wrote:
    As stated in the Romany Gypsy thread, **** them, give them nothing, then they'll stop chancing their arm.
    On old friend once described it me as protection money. His reasoning, which makes sense, is stop giving such individuals money and they’ll have to find another source of income and oddly enough this is unlikely to be a job. As a result many will turn to crime, often violent.

    For example, in the case of Romany Gypsies in Italy, as Italians are not terribly predisposed to giving them money they’ve turned to a number of other trades of which the most infamous are pick-pocketing and child kidnapping / trafficking.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭Kingsize


    your mates reasoning does make sense
    but im not sure we should pay people just because they may turn violent & i cant see why you or i should have to reach in our pockets to give them our hard earned in the 1st place.
    the reason these people are out there in such numbers is because people are so willing to give them their cash.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,924 ✭✭✭✭BuffyBot


    Came across one just like him (Scottish and all) working the same con in Schiphol airport a few weeks ago - perhaps he decided to take a holiday with all the cash he's making ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,958 ✭✭✭✭RuggieBear


    Actually i was stopped by a guy near Bray Dart station a few years aback looking for money for a bus....he told me he was a drug addict and needed to get to a hospital coz he was having delusions and hurting himself. He then rolled up the sleeve on his left arm where he had cut himself every cm or so, all the way up his arm, from his wrist to his shoulder...most were quite shallow but some were gaping wide and a few he had "stitched" together with a piece of old string. Probably the most disgusting thing i've ever seen up close.

    I gave him his bus fare.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭BizzyC


    There's a guy in bray who stands infront of spar on the mainstreet every night. He used to ask me for busfare home, now he's asking for "money for the homeless".
    He's always smoking too, if he's so poor then how does he afford cigarettes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭segadreamcast


    He’s been working the city centre for a few years now and seems to specialize in short cons, such as the one you described. I’ve personally run into him so many times at this stage that he recognizes me and will joke about not wasting each other’s time.

    On old friend once described it me as protection money. His reasoning, which makes sense, is stop giving such individuals money and they’ll have to find another source of income and oddly enough this is unlikely to be a job. As a result many will turn to crime, often violent.

    For example, in the case of Romany Gypsies in Italy, as Italians are not terribly predisposed to giving them money they’ve turned to a number of other trades of which the most infamous are pick-pocketing and child kidnapping / trafficking.

    Nice story and all - yet it still doesn't really hide the fact that your friend is a bit of a plank who throws money at people who don't deserve it. Indeed, it's this "fear/compassion" for what these people might become/what they might do, that they thrive upon - it's almost like a schoolyard bully syndrome in a sense...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,772 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    NoelRock wrote:
    Nice story and all - yet it still doesn't really hide the fact that your friend is a bit of a plank who throws money at people who don't deserve it. Indeed, it's this "fear/compassion" for what these people might become/what they might do, that they thrive upon - it's almost like a schoolyard bully syndrome in a sense...
    Of course, if you don't want to give them money and you don't want them to turn to more violent types of crime, then you have to deal with root problem - which is unlikely to happen given our track record on dealing with problems that can otherwise be ignored. So in all practical terms he was not such a plank.

    Nonetheless, I know what I would probably do to solve the problem, but I suspect it would cause me to end up in the Hague.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,958 ✭✭✭✭RuggieBear


    Nonetheless, I know what I would probably do to solve the problem, but I suspect it would cause me to end up in the Hague.
    booze cruise..?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,870 ✭✭✭segadreamcast


    Of course, if you don't want to give them money and you don't want them to turn to more violent types of crime, then you have to deal with root problem - which is unlikely to happen given our track record on dealing with problems that can otherwise be ignored. So in all practical terms he was not such a plank.

    Nonetheless, I know what I would probably do to solve the problem, but I suspect it would cause me to end up in the Hague.

    I think we both see each other's point of view clearly enough. I'd be with you in your personal solution :P unless you actually did mean booze cruise as the above suggested :).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭Kingsize


    I wonder did the scottish scammer in schiphol jokingly say he got a "typical dutch welcome" ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,534 ✭✭✭Blisterman


    I hate the beggers who ask you why? When you say you're not giving them any money. And walk doen the street beside you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,227 ✭✭✭✭Sparky


    i never give money to people on the street who ask for it, because say if your talking out some coins out of your wallet, they will eye you up on what you have. I give to people who have a cup and are sitting on the footpath.

    There was a story i heard from a guy on the subway in NY that this begger goes around the trains and on average makes $400 a day.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,374 ✭✭✭Gone West


    some welsh guy gave some sunday indo reporter a good speil. He went and gave him €150, to pay for a flight home. The next week, he say him in temple bar drinking cider.
    I agree. Don't give any begger a fúcking thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,227 ✭✭✭✭Sparky


    they use you by abusing your consience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,926 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    orla wrote:
    I think i've seen him on Westmoreland St. Is he kinda small with big glasses? He handed me a piece of paper that said something like "€5 for bus fare" and then pointed to his ear as if he was deaf. I was gonna give him money but all i had was my bus fare. I later seen him goin into a bookies..
    Kingsize wrote:
    The same guy tried to scam me with it about a year ago on georges st He didnt seem too worried about his situation when i seen him coming out of paddy powers on abbey st a few days later
    Are you guys stalking him?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    On old friend once described it me as protection money. His reasoning, which makes sense, is stop giving such individuals money and they’ll have to find another source of income and oddly enough this is unlikely to be a job. As a result many will turn to crime, often violent.

    For example, in the case of Romany Gypsies in Italy, as Italians are not terribly predisposed to giving them money they’ve turned to a number of other trades of which the most infamous are pick-pocketing and child kidnapping / trafficking.

    Yes, but society has procedures in place to deal with such crimes, and you can't just give in to this kind of intimidation of what they might do to people. It's their problem, not ours.
    RuggieBear wrote:
    Actually i was stopped by a guy near Bray Dart station a few years aback looking for money for a bus....he told me he was a drug addict and needed to get to a hospital coz he was having delusions and hurting himself. He then rolled up the sleeve on his left arm where he had cut himself every cm or so, all the way up his arm, from his wrist to his shoulder...most were quite shallow but some were gaping wide and a few he had "stitched" together with a piece of old string. Probably the most disgusting thing i've ever seen up close.

    I gave him his bus fare.

    He was showing you his arm to demonstrate that he was psychotic, and thus intimidating you to give him money for nothing. It worked.
    Blisterman wrote:
    I hate the beggers who ask you why? When you say you're not giving them any money. And walk doen the street beside you.

    Again, an intimidation tactic, give them nothing. Or do a 'bumslap' like in the video posted in the other begging thread! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 225 ✭✭Dublin8


    i gave him 3 euros near busarus station he was scottish and was telling me exactly same story

    felt extremely sorry for him

    but later i felt in my mind thats he was acting i dont know my mind kep on saying to me he was not real

    i asked him y he dosent go to guards ??

    and he gave me an answer that he has complained and they are investigating


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,579 ✭✭✭Pet


    About two months ago, my friend and I were walking down abbey street, beside Bus Aras. A man stopped us. He was very panicky, and upset. He was of slim build, early - mid forties, and darkish hair. He spoke with a strong Scottish accent. He told us that he had just arrived in Ireland today, and he had got his bag robbed, which contained his phone, wallet, money etc. He had managed to find a hostel that would let him say without any I.D but he had no money to pay for it, and could we loan him some money.

    Now, I'm ashamed to say usually I wouldn't give someone who stopped me on the street money, but I felt so sorry for him. You could tell he was really upset, as he nearly started crying. To be honest, it was his panic that made me give him some money. My friend and I gave him about five euro, and I felt guilty that I hadn't been able to give him more, as I could just imagine how horrible it would be, to be in a strange city, and be in that situation.

    Two weeks ago, I met a friend of mine, and she began telling me a story of how she had got stopped by a man near Grafton street. She was describing him, and it struck me that his description was a lot like the "poor Scottish man" my friend and I had encountered. And she continued telling me how he had just arrived in Dublin, from Glasgow, his bags had been robbed, he had no money, or passport, but luckily had found a hostel that he could stay in with out I.D, he just needed some money to pay for it. You can imagine my shock, at realising I had been taken for a fool.

    I have a feeling that this may have happened to a lot of other people. I know alot of you will probably think i was stupid for falling for his story, but i have to say he does it very well, any normally i wouldn't believe things like that.

    Anyway, i was wondering has anyone else met this scottish scammer??

    Yep, he came up to me while I was waiting for a bus by Liberty Hall..I don't remember how brazen he was about asking for money (it was a couple of months ago), but I do remember he left with nothing after I explained I was a poor student. :D

    I feel better now actually, because I genuinely felt bad for the guy at the time.

    Oh, and the little "deaf" guy with glasses - got taken in by him when I was younger and stupider, but not a chance now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,767 ✭✭✭Infini


    I use the good old excuse "Sorry mate I'm flat broke!" and subtly run like hell!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭Enigma365


    This happened to me the first time in late 2001 / early 2002. I remember the date clearly because I was in first year of college. The guy had red hair though. I think there may be a few guys who do this, they all have a scottish accent though. Would think the Police would do something about it...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,772 ✭✭✭✭The Corinthian


    Kernel wrote:
    Yes, but society has procedures in place to deal with such crimes, and you can't just give in to this kind of intimidation of what they might do to people. It's their problem, not ours.
    I agree, but nonetheless don't want to seem rude, but who exactly enforces these procedures? Unless you hadn't noticed the whole legal enforcement thing isn't working out too well at present.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭Kingsize


    Are you guys stalking him?

    it was unfortunate that my post came right after orlas i was actually refering to the scottish geezer as opposed to the may or may not be deaf geezer.
    but they all seem to like a drink & a bet dont they?


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