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Veteran/Vintage owners ?

  • 15-02-2005 7:47pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    Anybody here own (or planning to buy) a Veteran or Vintage vehicle ?

    (i.e. pre-1945 vehicles)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 291 ✭✭ Paul (MN)


    aren't they usually owned by older blokes who can't use computers?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 473 ✭✭ 528i


    no, that's walking sticks.. these are owned by escaped mental asylum patients, who make machine-gun noises and dribble quite a lot, particularly at the sight of a ww2 badge or the like.. the first sign of a problem usually starts with "I remember......" <-- you really need to get the fluck outa there before he finishes that sentence..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,501 Alfasudcrazy


    The problem with these vehicles is parts supply. I mean its not just a matter of ringing up Moss after all. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    It would be in the case of any old MG ! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,501 Alfasudcrazy


    I always fancied one of these - the Citroen traction avant.
    I love those old films where the resistance guys are tying to escape from the chasing gestapo using an avant.
    These cars were fairly advanced for their day - were they not the first unitary construction body shell? I simply cannot believe that they were in production from 1937 to 1957 - can that be right?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,981 ✭✭✭✭ mike65


    I always fancied one of these - the Citroen traction avant.

    These cars were fairly advanced for their day - were they not the first unitary construction body shell? I simply cannot believe that they were in production from 1937 to 1957 - can that be right?


    Actually its was 23 years, 1934-57! Its replacement the DS was also a 20 year hit. Impossible to concive of now.

    The Traction was the first car to use unitary constrution and front wheel drive and it bankrupted Andre Citroen who sold out to Michellin. It was also the first car with hydropneumatic suspension in 1952.

    Mike.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 58,447 CMod ✭✭✭✭ unkel


    Yeah have always felt the TA was a truly remarkable car
    mike65 wrote:
    Actually its was 23 years, 1934-57! Its replacement the DS was also a 20 year hit. Impossible to concive of now

    There are very few cars with such a lifespan. The 2CV, beatle, 911, mini spring to mind. It's unlikely that we'll ever see another one

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    Yeah, I've always liked the look of those Citroens.

    I also like a lot of other 1940's cars.

    Funny, I have yet to see a 1940's 'year' reg about, e.g. 42-D-xxx ???


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    Ok, that's settled then ........... nobody here is old enough yet to go and buy a veteran or vintage car :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,037 ✭✭✭ shagman


    well....... I would buy one but only with the intention of chopping it to bits and dropping a V8 in....... :D
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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    No thanks. I have to say that customising does nothing for me - especially old 30's/40's/50's cars.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ ds20prefecture


    Silvera wrote:
    Ok, that's settled then ........... nobody here is old enough yet to go and buy a veteran or vintage car :D

    My friend in Clontarf drives a '51 Traction Avant. Does "designed before '45" make it a vintage? We drove home from a Blessington classic rally through the Sally Gap last year - I drove the TA, he drove my DS. The Traction is spectacular in every respect. The road holding and general handling are if anything better than the DS - a design 20 years younger. I also drove his Traction around Howth village one evening - I have never drawn such attention in any car.

    When in France last year, the owner of the Gite let me drive around in his '53 11B Legere that he owned from new. It was pretty special.

    Having said that, if I were to own a vintage it probably wouldn't be a TA. The DS was the pinnacle of Citroën engineering. No, it would have to be an early Tatra or maybe something from the US, but also from the streamlined '30s. Like a Lincoln Zephir.

    BTW, I'm 35 and my friend is about the same. There are people out there who like vintage and not just to polish and gaze.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    Good to hear it ds20prefecture ! ..........and welcome to the forum!!

    Don't suppose you have any pics of either car ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,269 ✭✭✭ MercMad


    A guy around the corner from me has an old Ford which is 38 D XXX !

    Anyway these Citroen's are truely amazing cars. I think those 20 year production dates are possibly due to the fact that the War intervened and as with a lot of other car companies they just took up where they left off !

    Ohh and by the way the Mercedes W107 SL had a 17 year lifespan, and that wasn't too long ago !


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ ds20prefecture


    Silvera wrote:
    Good to hear it ds20prefecture ! ..........and welcome to the forum!!

    Don't suppose you have any pics of either car ?
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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,537 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Dades


    Silvera,

    I was expecting an analysis of the reg plates on those fantastic cars above!
    In particular your thoughts on the curved plates on the Avant...

    :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 291 ✭✭ Paul (MN)


    Howth!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ ds20prefecture


    MercMad wrote:
    A guy around the corner from me has an old Ford which is 38 D XXX !

    Anyway these Citroen's are truely amazing cars. I think those 20 year production dates are possibly due to the fact that the War intervened and as with a lot of other car companies they just took up where they left off !

    Ohh and by the way the Mercedes W107 SL had a 17 year lifespan, and that wasn't too long ago !

    Lots of Traction Avants were made during the war - they were the favourite of the occupying forces, being much lighter and faster than the equivalent Mercedes. Ditto Tatra in Czechoslovakia.

    Also, the DS was a 20 year product run, with no war. Personally I think it's down to the basic excellence of the designs, but I am biased.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    Silvera,
    I was expecting an analysis of the reg plates on those fantastic cars above!
    In particular your thoughts on the curved plates on the Avant...
    :D

    Foreign plates don't really interest me - I just dislike shabby plates on Irish cars (which is all too common an occurence!) :p:D

    The plates on the DS above wouldn't be my first choice for a classic - but as they are 'french spec' plates - they don't look out of place on the DS.

    .......Cool car BTW !!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ ds20prefecture


    Silvera wrote:
    Foreign plates don't really interest me - I just dislike shabby plates on Irish cars (which is all too common an occurence!) :p:D

    The plates on the DS above wouldn't be my first choice for a classic - but as they are 'french spec' plates - they don't look out of place on the DS.

    .......Cool car BTW !!
    Thanks - it's my (mostly) daily driver and I love it. I hanker for an older one, maybe a '61. They were a lot more special, but trickier to find right and I don't have a correctly sized garage.

    Re the numberplate, you'd be amazed at how many people still ask what year it is. I had a LOT of fun at the Internation Classic Citroën Car Rally in Switzerland this year. All the french guys kept coming up and scratching their heads trying to figure out which department 914 was. One guy asked was I from Réunion, but that's 974.

    I'm not too happy with the plates either, but probably not for the same reason. There's supposed to be a 3/4 circle cutout for the starting handle right where the D is. I was too stupid at the time to get the D offset so I would have to unscrew the plate to crank start.

    Do you prefer ZV on a classic? For me, they're a little anonymous. I was hoping to land on 520 for the plate, so it could read 72 D5 20 but it didn't pan out. Only scobie BMW drivers seem to have personalised number plates, so I'm glad in retrospect.

    What do you drive [hoping it's not a blinged out beemer ;-)] ?

    Are you thinking of a vintage? Which one? Someone mentioned parts supply as a problem - the network of suppliers for old Citroëns is amazing - pretty much every mechanical or interior part is available new or refurbished. Lots of body panels too. I understand that Jaguars and Mercedes are similarly well supported, is this your experience?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    Do you mean Irish people ask you what year it is ???

    Yeah, I generally prefer ZV plates - though I suppose having a few 'year' plates about on classics adds a bit of variety ! :)

    At present I drive a Honda - though some call these 'the Japanese bmw' :D

    I'm thinking of getting a vintage car at some stage in the future. I like some of the larger 1940's saloons, like the CS.

    Parts supply is v good for Jags and Mercs in my experience.
    Have you sourced Citroen parts in Ireland or do you have send to the UK for parts ?


    BTW, what do you mean "scobie BMW drivers" ? 'Souped up' BMW's ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ ds20prefecture


    Silvera wrote:
    Do you mean Irish people ask you what year it is ???
    All the time. It baffles me.

    Silvera wrote:
    I'm thinking of getting a vintage car at some stage in the future. I like some of the larger 1940's saloons, like the CS.
    CS? Do you have a good garage?
    Silvera wrote:
    Parts supply is v good for Jags and Mercs in my experience.
    Have you sourced Citroen parts in Ireland or do you have send to the UK for parts ?
    Yeah, I sometimes trade parts with other owners, but generally I buy from the Netherlands, Germany or France. UK is a no no because of exchange rate, but there's lots of suppliers there too. The Web makes sourcing parts a doddle.
    Silvera wrote:
    BTW, what do you mean "scobie BMW drivers" ? 'Souped up' BMW's ?
    Sorry - Scobie is a word out our way for Chavs. You know, blacked out 2 door '93 316is with 4" exhausts, rubber bands for tires, lowered seats and suspension, "Lexus" lights and a front splitter that also doubles as a parmesan grater. Generally, a scobie has a predilection for white tracksuits, baseball caps, waaay too much aftershave and hair gel. They tend to communicate in a series of one or two word sentences "Story?" "Happening?" "Dedly" "Rapeh" and so on. House music emanates loudly from gaudy woofers. They have a very strong sense of community, but are generally feared and loathed in equal measure by the rest of the motoring public.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    All the time. It baffles me.

    Strange ?!! Just shows how little 'attention to detail' folks have !
    It's no wonder so many, otherwise mint cars (modern or classic!), have shabby reg plates !

    (P.S. In case you haven't noticed, shabby reg plates is one of my 'pet hates':) Shabby=wrong type for year of car/incorrectly spaced/crocked/etc)
    CS? Do you have a good garage?

    Not yet. But I will have an excellent garage within the next year or so ! :D

    Yeah, I sometimes trade parts with other owners, but generally I buy from the Netherlands, Germany or France. UK is a no no because of exchange rate, but there's lots of suppliers there too. The Web makes sourcing parts a doddle.

    Any suppliers in The North ?
    Sorry - Scobie is a word out our way for Chavs. You know, blacked out 2 door '93 316is with 4" exhausts, rubber bands for tires, lowered seats and suspension, "Lexus" lights and a front splitter that also doubles as a parmesan grater. Generally, a scobie has a predilection for white tracksuits, baseball caps, waaay too much aftershave and hair gel. They tend to communicate in a series of one or two word sentences "Story?" "Happening?" "Dedly" "Rapeh" and so on. House music emanates loudly from gaudy woofers. They have a very strong sense of community, but are generally feared and loathed in equal measure by the rest of the motoring public.

    Ahh ! I know what you mean now !!
    I almost shudder when I see cars like that :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭ ds20prefecture


    Silvera wrote:
    Any suppliers in The North ?

    I haven't used any - there a rumour of a guy in Newry who has a huge cache of Citroën parts. I believe there's a couple of Jag/Daimler specialists up there too. Oh, and there as an online breakers in Belfast - can't remember the name.

    BTW: What is a CS?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,027 ✭✭✭ Silvera


    BTW: What is a CS?

    I mean't DS .......... I sometimes get my CS's and DS's mixed up ;)

    Re: 1940's saloons, I should have said I like the TA.


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