POLL* Should weed be legalised?

KlodaX · 02-02-2005 04:21PM

see this is where a legal highs forum would come in handy ... this would be a discussion as opposed to an argument.

"no I'm boring?" ... its not a poll .. its an invite to argue. People are entitled to their opinion, no need to slag them off for it just cause its different from yours. They may have a valid point that you have not yet thought off.

If this was in legal highs ye'd get a slap and be told to talk responsibly and respectfully.

me really wants a legal highs forum.

meditraitor · 02-02-2005 04:21PM

DubGuy22 wrote:

You can all argue all you want...the bottom line is choice

It shouldn't nececeraly be sold in spar, or even bars or weed cafe's....but i should at least have the choice to grow it if i want, and smoke it if i want.......also, psycosis argument is weak....all perscription drugs have massive side effects if abused....most of which can kill you if you overdose....you cant overdose on weed...no-one has ever died from weed....drink kills you, cigarettes kill you (and nicotine the most addictive substance known to man), anti-depresants can kill you, can also have serious and perminant side effects.....perscription sleeping pills can kill you....it''s a stigma attached to a drug since the sixties....government lost so much power in the US during that period..people weren't afraid to ask questions....a million men marched etc. It was free times man

A recent study by the British Lung Foundation found that smoking three cannabis joints a day caused the same damage as 20 cigarettes because people tend to inhale the smoke for longer to gain the maximum "hit". The medical community is still debating whether cannabis use leads to lung cancer - but it's a fact that cannabis contains more carcinogens (cancer-causing agents) than tobacco

Both good and bad side effects are attributable to a major mind altering drug called delta 9 tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) which is a psychoactive ingredient found in cannabis. THC mimics the actions of the brain's receptors so interfering with the brain's ability to function normally.

http://www.drug-abuse-us.ru.com/effects_of_cannabis.htm

Blub2k4 · 02-02-2005 04:22PM

You've not been paying attention Klodax, it is on the way, have a look at the thread in forums about legal highs.

meditraitor · 02-02-2005 04:22PM

Blub2k4 wrote:

And others here would dispute that as unsubstantiated ****e, any proof or did you hear it off a bloke in the pub?

The reports that are about dont go as far as you do and they've been studying it for a while.

See above brother

Keyzer · 02-02-2005 04:23PM

More of the same aul crap....
Whats next up? The travellers debate or are goths cool?

Smoking Marijuana, hash etc. is bad for you physiologically.
Mentally, I have seen people smoke it for years and it have no effects.
Others, people who were sharp as tacks a few years back now have the mental ability of a goat.

Who gives a fvck at the end of the day...

Blub2k4 · 02-02-2005 04:25PM

meditraitor wrote:

A recent study by the British Lung Foundation found that smoking three cannabis joints a day caused the same damage as 20 cigarettes because people tend to inhale the smoke for longer to gain the maximum "hit". The medical community is still debating whether cannabis use leads to lung cancer - but it's a fact that cannabis contains more carcinogens (cancer-causing agents) than tobacco
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See you are fudging the argument, is there any statistic for pure cannabis that is not mixed with tobacco in a joint?
Cannabis, not joints.

Blub2k4 · 02-02-2005 04:27PM

meditraitor wrote:

See above brother

the above does not mention mental problems, as you claimed, it has to do with lung/cancer damage.

garthv · 02-02-2005 04:29PM

Tbh,its the argument for choice that really bothers me,
it should be legalised purely for the fact of giving people the choice to smoke it,not going further and further into our nany state...

OfflerCrocGod · 02-02-2005 04:30PM

By the powers invested in me by a Boards.ie Internet Poll I declare cannabis legal! A guy I read on Boards.ie who "knew for sure" said it was harmless!

<edit> kudos for anyone who can figure out the reference

meditraitor · 02-02-2005 04:31PM

Blub2k4 wrote:

See you are fudging the argument, is there any statistic for pure cannabis that is not mixed with tobacco in a joint?
Cannabis, not joints.

Just making a point for not making it legal

E.G last week some time a prescription drug for arteritis (cant remember the name, short term memory ****ed) was taken of the market f because it caused heart problems in 1-10,000 people who took it.

The scope for legal action against anyone who sold or legalised cannabis is enormous , considering it does have bad effects on some people, am I making sense?

Keyzer · 02-02-2005 04:31PM

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

By the powers invested in me by a Boards.ie Internet Poll I declare cannabis legal! A guy I read on Boards.ie who "knew for sure" said it was harmless!

Its powers vested, not invested...

meditraitor · 02-02-2005 04:35PM

Keyzer wrote:

Its powers vested, not invested...

shine on you crazy diamond

Blub2k4 · 02-02-2005 04:42PM

meditraitor wrote:

Just making a point for not making it legal

E.G last week some time a prescription drug for arteritis (cant remember the name, short term memory ****ed) was taken of the market f because it caused heart problems in 1-10,000 people who took it.

The scope for legal action against anyone who sold or legalised cannabis is enormous , considering it does have bad effects on some people, am I making sense?

Now you are not really being honest at all in your argument.
I appreciate that you are humorously (:rolleyes:) insinuating again that your memory is screwed through having smoked dope years ago.
The truth is that your memory may have, or probably was pretty bad when you smoked, but this effect would have gone 2-3 weeks after you gave up.

Is this closer to the truth or are you happy to continue misrepresenting fact?

[Jackass] · 02-02-2005 04:43PM

meditraitor wrote:

A recent study by the British Lung Foundation found that smoking three cannabis joints a day caused the same damage as 20 cigarettes because people tend to inhale the smoke for longer to gain the maximum "hit". The medical community is still debating whether cannabis use leads to lung cancer - but it's a fact that cannabis contains more carcinogens (cancer-causing agents) than tobacco

Both good and bad side effects are attributable to a major mind altering drug called delta 9 tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) which is a psychoactive ingredient found in cannabis. THC mimics the actions of the brain's receptors so interfering with the brain's ability to function normally.

http://www.drug-abuse-us.ru.com/effects_of_cannabis.htm

It can also be cooked, eaten or taken in a pill format........also, if it was legalised, it could be geneticly modified to make it more potent and less dangerous...this kind of research can not be funded/performed on an illegal substance.

Keyzer · 02-02-2005 04:46PM

DubGuy22 wrote:

It can also be cooked, eaten or taken in a pill format........also, if it was legalised, it could be geneticly modified to make it more potent and less dangerous...this kind of research can not be funded/performed on an illegal substance.

This question is for anyone who has smoked weed and eaten it or any other form of ingestion apart from smoking...

Was the buzz or stone the same as smoking?

I actually have a point on this, trust me...

Zulu · 02-02-2005 04:48PM

meditraitor wrote:

[][listen to your logic.][

You should read your reply before posting, there is no case for legalisation, there isnt enough beds in mental hospitals for it,
weed will do you damage in the end..
if you keep smoking you will realise when you hit adulthood the damage it causes.

without going into detail I Know. and everyone I know who smoked as long as me or with me back in the day has the same view... with the exeption of the ones to ****ed up to care

Come back to me in five years and u will understand

Good luck with it brother

I hear you.
...another brother who smoked too much.

Blub2k4 · 02-02-2005 04:53PM

Keyzer wrote:

This question is for anyone who has smoked weed and eaten it or any other form of ingestion apart from smoking...

Was the buzz or stone the same as smoking?

I actually have a point on this, trust me...

The buzz from eating is stronger. With smoking 66% of the substance is being lost to passive smoke.

Blub2k4 · 02-02-2005 04:57PM

To eat hashish pastilles was a common ingestion method in the Orient in the past.
Often mixed with honey and nuts.

meditraitor · 02-02-2005 04:58PM

Keyzer wrote:

This question is for anyone who has smoked weed and eaten it or any other form of ingestion apart from smoking...

Was the buzz or stone the same as smoking?

I actually have a point on this, trust me...

I have taken yogourts(1/4 of an eight in)--- takes about 15mins to hit but them bongo's for about an hour, hash brownies not to disimliar

Blub2k4 · 02-02-2005 04:59PM

meditraitor wrote:

I have taken yogourts(1/4 of an eight in)--- takes about 15mins to hit but them bongo's for about an hour, hash brownies not to disimliar

interesting how you didn't answer my question on the short-term memory thing.

meditraitor · 02-02-2005 05:03PM

Blub2k4 wrote:

Now you are not really being honest at all in your argument.
I appreciate that you are humorously (:rolleyes:) insinuating again that your memory is screwed through having smoked dope years ago.
The truth is that your memory may have, or probably was pretty bad when you smoked, but this effect would have gone 2-3 weeks after you gave up.

Is this closer to the truth or are you happy to continue misrepresenting fact?

http://www.who.int/substance_abuse/facts/cannabis/en/
World health org, not averse to misrepresentaion

Acute health effects of cannabis use

The acute effects of cannabis use has been recognized for many years, and recent studies have confirmed and extended earlier findings. These may be summarized as follows:

Cannabis impairs cognitive development (capabilities of learning), including associative processes; free recall of previously learned items is often impaired when cannabi is used both during learning and recall periods;
Cannabis impairs psychomotor performance in a wide variety of tasks, such as motor coordination, divided attention, and operative tasks of many types; human performance on complex machinery can be impaired for as long as 24 hours after smoking as little as 20 mg of THC in cannabis; there is an increased risk of motor vehicle accidents among persons who drive when intoxicated by cannabis.
Chronic health effects of cannabis use

selective impairment of cognitive functioning which include the organization and integration of complex information involving various mechanisms of attention and memory processes;
prolonged use may lead to greater impairment, which may not recover with cessation of use, and which could affect daily life functions;
development of a cannabis dependence syndrome characterized by a loss of control over cannabis use is likely in chronic users;
cannabis use can exacerbate schizophrenia in affected individuals;
epithetial injury of the trachea and major bronchi is caused by long-term cannabis smoking;
airway injury, lung inflammation, and impaired pulmonary defence against infection from persistent cannabis consumption over prolonged periods;
heavy cannabis consumption is associated with a higher prevalence of symptoms of chronic bronchitis and a higher incidence of acute bronchitis than in the non-smoking cohort;
cannabis used during pregnancy is associated with impairment in fetal development leading to a reduction in birth weight;
cannabis use during pregnancy may lead to postnatal risk of rare forms of cancer although more research is needed in this area.
The health consequences of cannabis use in developing countries are largely unknown beacuse of limited and non-systematic research, but there is no reason a priori to expect that biological effects on individuals in these populations would be substantially different to what has been observed in developed countries. However, other consequences might be different given the cultural and social differences between countries.

meditraitor · 02-02-2005 05:04PM

Blub2k4 wrote:

interesting how you didn't answer my question on the short-term memory thing.

you must be stoned dude

Keyzer · 02-02-2005 05:06PM

Blub2k4 wrote:

The buzz from eating is stronger. With smoking 66% of the substance is being lost to passive smoke.

Cool, I was hoping you in particular would reply to that.

Think of it this way, the journey is not the important part i.e smoking or eating, Its the destination which is important i.e stoned out of your head.

Therefore, no matter what form of ingestion you use, you are subjecting your mind to mind altering drugs.
Therefore, your brain is at risk everytime you ingest weed.

From
"In addition to the brain, marijuana affects many other parts of the body. Marijuana is filled with hundreds of chemicals, and when it is burned, hundreds of additional compounds are produced. When marijuana is inhaled or ingested in some other form, several short-term effects occur. Some of these effects are:

Problems with memory and learning
Distorted perception
Difficulty with thinking and problem solving
Loss of coordination
Increased heart rate
Anxiety, paranoia and panic attacks

The initial effects created by the THC wear off within an hour or two after using marijuana, but the chemicals stay in your body for much longer. The terminal half-life of THC is from about 20 hours to 10 days, depending on the amount and potency of the marijuana used. This means that if you take one milligram of THC that has a half-life of 20 hours, you will still have 0.031 mg of THC in your body more than four days later. The longer the half-life, the longer the THC lingers in your body."

Blub2k4 · 02-02-2005 05:09PM

prolonged use may lead to greater impairment, which may not recover with cessation of use, and which could affect daily life functions;
development of a cannabis dependence syndrome characterized by a loss of control over cannabis use is likely in chronic users;
cannabis use can exacerbate schizophrenia in affected individuals;

That's a lot of maybes for something to be regurgitated as fact.

meditraitor wrote:

you must be stoned dude

Whatever, name calling is a good way to win a debate, by the way.:rolleyes:

Zulu · 02-02-2005 05:13PM

Blub2k4 wrote:

Whatever, name calling is a good way to win a debate, by the way.:rolleyes:

Well you should know anyway :rolleyes:

wrote:

development of a cannabis dependence syndrome characterized by a loss of control over cannabis use is likely in chronic users

I wouldn't have taught I was a chronic user - but I have no control over my cannabis consumption other than not being able to get some. (When I get some, I just blaze it all)

Blub2k4 · 02-02-2005 05:13PM

Keyzer wrote:

Cool, I was hoping you in particular would reply to that.

Think of it this way, the journey is not the important part i.e smoking or eating, Its the destination which is important i.e stoned out of your head.

Therefore, no matter what form of ingestion you use, you are subjecting your mind to mind altering drugs.
Therefore, your brain is at risk everytime you ingest weed.

From
"In addition to the brain, marijuana affects many other parts of the body. Marijuana is filled with hundreds of chemicals, and when it is burned, hundreds of additional compounds are produced. When marijuana is inhaled or ingested in some other form, several short-term effects occur. Some of these effects are:

Problems with memory and learning
Distorted perception
Difficulty with thinking and problem solving
Loss of coordination
Increased heart rate
Anxiety, paranoia and panic attacks

The initial effects created by the THC wear off within an hour or two after using marijuana, but the chemicals stay in your body for much longer. The terminal half-life of THC is from about 20 hours to 10 days, depending on the amount and potency of the marijuana used. This means that if you take one milligram of THC that has a half-life of 20 hours, you will still have 0.031 mg of THC in your body more than four days later. The longer the half-life, the longer the THC lingers in your body."

I dont really get your point.
Unless it is related to the fact that any chemical alien to your body is not necessarily a good thing.

meditraitor · 02-02-2005 05:16PM

Blub2k4 wrote:

That's a lot of maybes for something to be regurgitated as fact.:

regurgitated, word for today

Maybe

Did you actualy read it brother, seems pretty conclusive to me
"The acute effects of cannabis use has been recognized for many years, and recent studies have confirmed and extended earlier findings. These may be summarized as follows" as above

Blub2k4 wrote:

Whatever, name calling is a good way to win a debate, by the way.:rolleyes:

Didnt mean to be offensive, just a pathetic (it seems now) attemp at humour..
Apologies

M

Keyzer · 02-02-2005 05:17PM

Blub2k4 wrote:

That's a lot of maybes for something to be regurgitated as fact.

Whatever, name calling is a good way to win a debate, by the way.:rolleyes:

Do you know what? I'm not going to bother with you anymore.
Even when people present you with their own experiences and medical facts/reports, you still think your right.

We had a prior run in and you did the exact same thing.
Your right and everyone else is wrong no matter what.

Keyzer · 02-02-2005 05:18PM

Blub2k4 wrote:

I dont really get your point.
Unless it is related to the fact that any chemical alien to your body is not necessarily a good thing.

Then your a fool as well as ignorant.

Blub2k4 · 02-02-2005 05:19PM

Keyzer wrote:

Do you know what? I'm not going to bother with you anymore.
Even when people present you with their own experiences and medical facts/reports, you still think your right.

We had a prior run in and you did the exact same thing.
Your right and everyone else is wrong no matter what.

good, good.

It's called a debate.

None of what is in any of the reports is fact. Deal with it.

POLL* Should weed be legalised?

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