Michael Jackson verdict (MEGAMERGE)

I am MAN · 01-02-2005 05:58PM

So many narrow minded posts

Innocent until proble guilty

Zulu · 01-02-2005 05:59PM

Only Human wrote:

So this room that was accessible from Jacksons room was a sex room. Is there anything there that suggests sex? Maybe the peterpan bed spreads? or the telephone beside the bed?
Why are you twisting what I wrote? I said its acceptable for him to sleep in the same bed as someone else! and that it was all innocent and you turn it into sex.

Would you in the same bed as you next door neibhours child? I know I wouldn't.
Nothing my have happened.
But why? Why would you put yourself in that position?

...as for the secret room. Why?
Why keep it after the first abuse allagation?
Why keep it secret?

Only Human · 01-02-2005 06:04PM

Zulu wrote:

Would you in the same bed as you next door neibhours child? I know I wouldn't.
Nothing my have happened.
But why? Why would you put yourself in that position?

...as for the secret room. Why?
Why keep it after the first abuse allagation?
Why keep it secret?

Was there a sign on the door saying "secret room"? It suposidly hidden. My fridge is hidden behind a wooden pannel, I dont call it my secret fridge. He put himself in that position because he loves children. He has vowed never to put himself in such a vunerable position again in a video released from his website last week.

Zulu · 01-02-2005 06:10PM

Drapper wrote:

Never read that before I'm a bit shocked !!

Oh, right, now I understand. Sorry.

I know it's all circumstantial - but it looks shocking.

Only Human wrote:

Was there a sign on the door saying "secret room"? It suposidly hidden.

It was hidden in the back of a wardrobe.

Only Human wrote:

My fridge is hidden behind a wooden pannel, I dont call it my secret fridge.

Is it in the back of a press? :rolleyes: It's not a disguised doorway. Did you even READ the articals????

Only Human wrote:

He put himself in that position because he loves children.

Indeed. I love children - I don't sleep with them. I love my parents and sister - I don't sleep with them.
Funnily enough - as a grown hetrosexual man, I'm ONLY interested in sharing my bed with women.

Only Human wrote:

He has vowed never to put himself in such a vunerable position again in a video released from his website last week.

Well I'm sure he has. Thats fine so. If all convicted peodophiles and rapists vow the same - would you release them?

Only Human · 01-02-2005 06:20PM

Zulu wrote:

Oh, right, now I understand. Sorry.

I know it's all circumstantial - but it looks shocking.

It was hidden in the back of a wardrobe.

Is it in the back of a press? :rolleyes: It's not a disguised doorway. Did you even READ the articals????

Indeed. I love children - I don't sleep with them. I love my parents and sister - I don't sleep with them.
Funnily enough - as a grown hetrosexual man, I'm ONLY interested in sharing my bed with women.

Well I'm sure he has. Thats fine so. If all convicted peodophiles and rapists vow the same - would you release them?

Michael Jackson at the height of his career was estimated to be worth a billion dollars. His wardrobe im sure is not just built in press. His closet is more than likely a seperate room! Meaning that the room was attached to his closet which was attached to his room. How do we know he was hiding it? Maybe this was the only way he could build it.

[Jackass] · 01-02-2005 06:22PM

Mordeth wrote:

exactly. personally I find the whole idea of a trial offensive, he is a monster and he doesn't deserve a chance to defend himself.

I picked up on your sarcasim....but that isn't what i was insinuating, obviously he's entitled to a fair trial, and has a right to defend himself...and if he was found not guilty...i would totaly accept and believe it, and i'd take back everything i said and eat my hat....my point is all the circumstances surronding this case, there is no doubt in my mind that he will be found guilty if the trial comes to completion (although i think the case will collapse at some stage due to a technicality, defence will argue none of the jury can be neutral as they all have previous knowledge of the defendant or some other technical argument....but that's a different story)

Only human, i can commend you on sticking up for what you believe in, fair play...but this is something where you and me will have to agree to disagree...i think we both have completely oppisite opinions

Only Human · 01-02-2005 06:25PM

DubGuy22 wrote:

I picked up on your sarcasim....but that isn't what i was insinuating, obviously he's entitled to a fair trial, and has a right to defend himself...and if he was found not guilty...i would totaly accept and believe it, and i'd take back everything i said and eat my hat....my point is all the circumstances surronding this case, there is no doubt in my mind that he will be found guilty if the trial comes to completion (although i think the case will collapse at some stage due to a technicality, defence will argue none of the jury can be neutral as they all have previous knowledge of the defendant or some other technical argument....but that's a different story)

Only human, i can commend you on sticking up for what you believe in, fair play...but this is something where you and me will have to agree to disagree...i think we both have completely oppisite opinions

For the record I respect everyones opinion and im not trying to change anyones opinion Im only here to discuss. The only thing I hope to do is open peoples minds up a bit.

CodeMonkey · 01-02-2005 06:44PM

DubGuy22 wrote:

obviously he's entitled to a fair trial, and has a right to defend himself...and if he was found not guilty...i would totaly accept and believe it

No you won't, you're only saying that cause you are convinced he is guilty and think the only way he will get off is through a technicallity. If it's up to you he'd go to jail now. And your reason for believing this is because of your differrent world view to michael jackson. I don't necessarily agree with the way he behaves because I've been broguht up and conditioned to think otherwise but it doesn't mean he is doing all the other "dirty" things you are imagining in your little head.

BolBill · 01-02-2005 06:50PM

I don't think he's guilty of any sexual abuse charges, but he is guilty of been an unfit father to those children, making them wear masks, etc, its just not right. Hes obviously not playing with the full deck so its only fair those kids should be taken away from him purely for their own safety.

Hobbes · 01-02-2005 06:51PM

chewy wrote:

as innocent as hell i say, i don't what evidence they planted at his ranch!

Years and years ago before any of this mess started Oprah did a special interview show at his ranch. In the childrens toy room (where lots of kids were playing) she put her hand against one of the mirrors to have it slide out (by accident). Behind the two way mirror was a huge bed. One bed.

Micheal was "Ooh that is the bed if the children get tired and want to sleep". Yea right, with two way mirrior I am sure. I should also point out in the interview he wasn't too happy Oprah finding the hidden bed.

Lots of other goings on. Basically from what I can see is that he can't buy his way out of the current mess he is in.

... Btw, haven't read the whole thread but if anyone is talking about the hidden room with all the mcCauly pics it was a total wind up afair.

Only Human · 01-02-2005 07:01PM

Hobbes wrote:

Years and years ago before any of this mess started Oprah did a special interview show at his ranch. In the childrens toy room (where lots of kids were playing) she put her hand against one of the mirrors to have it slide out (by accident). Behind the two way mirror was a huge bed. One bed.

Micheal was "Ooh that is the bed if the children get tired and want to sleep". Yea right, with two way mirrior I am sure. I should also point out in the interview he wasn't too happy Oprah finding the hidden bed.

Lots of other goings on. Basically from what I can see is that he can't buy his way out of the current mess he is in.

... Btw, haven't read the whole thread but if anyone is talking about the hidden room with all the mcCauly pics it was a total wind up afair.

Where did you hear that. I watched that whole video and that didnt occur. I'll get a link for the video and you can watch the whole thing through if you want.

You can watch the video at http://www.jetzi.cjb.net/ under Interviews and then Opera at the bottom right hand side of all of the files.

Zulu · 01-02-2005 07:11PM

Only Human wrote:

Michael Jackson at the height of his career was estimated to be worth a billion dollars. His wardrobe im sure is not just built in press. His closet is more than likely a seperate room! Meaning that the room was attached to his closet which was attached to his room. How do we know he was hiding it? Maybe this was the only way he could build it.

You a) haven't read what I've linked, & b) are in denial.
The room was accesable only through a panal hidden in the back of a wardrobe. Why would you hide a room in a wardrobe?

neuro-praxis · 01-02-2005 07:15PM

Zulu wrote:

Funnily enough - as a grown hetrosexual man, I'm ONLY interested in sharing my bed with women.

You pervert!

Seriously though.

There's a form of paedophilia where the agent loves children, wants to be a child, denies growing up, can only have functional relationships with children and is basically obsessed with kids, and it is non-sexual.

It is possible that this is the kind of paedophile that Jackson is.

He shouldn't be around children because he's crazy (even you can admit he's nuts, surely, OnlyHuman?), but, I believe he is innocent until proven guilty.

...where's the Slate when you need a balanced opinion on paedos?

Only Human · 01-02-2005 07:21PM

Zulu wrote:

You a) haven't read what I've linked, & b) are in denial.
The room was accesable only through a panal hidden in the back of a wardrobe. Why would you hide a room in a wardrobe?

Im not denying the room was there, im saying it might not be what it is made out to be. Have you seen the mel b episode of "cribs". She has a door that is disguised as a boookcase that leads into a completely diffrent side of the house. Michael Jackson is child-like as he is could have built this for any reason. Have you seen any pictures of this hidden door yourself? What kind of wardrobe? I presume it must have been big enough if people were to pass through to enter the room. I dont know the circumstances I havnt seen any pictures or evidence of this door. Could have just been a bad DIY job

I realy dont know to be honest.

[Jackass] · 01-02-2005 07:27PM

CodeMonkey wrote:

No you won't, you're only saying that cause you are convinced he is guilty and think the only way he will get off is through a technicallity. If it's up to you he'd go to jail now. And your reason for believing this is because of your differrent world view to michael jackson. I don't necessarily agree with the way he behaves because I've been broguht up and conditioned to think otherwise but it doesn't mean he is doing all the other "dirty" things you are imagining in your little head.

I don't know what you think is going on in my "little head", but read the links posted by people on this link, or research articles yourself using any search engine, i think you'll find he has a very shady history with regards to this subject....as for the "dirty things" i think he is doing...it's mollesting children...not only dirty..it's illegal, and one of the most fround upon crimes along with rape (which it is a form of) and murder. Dont be so patranising....any person with any power of logic will form the opinion by the facts available that his explenation for several accusations is non-satisfactory. Hence the reason he has been formally charged and brought to court, where he will attempt to explain himself. If there was not a large amount of evidence suggesting this, a search warrant would not have been issued to search the "neverland ranch", resulting in an arrest.........it's called the legal process. If this was not MJ, and was a priest for arguments sake...i assure you, with these facts, people opinions would be very different. If you're fanatical about someone....you will denie it to yourself and rufuse to accept it. Howard shipmans familly still believe he's innocent..he is the largest serial killer in the history of britain.

Only Human · 01-02-2005 07:28PM

neuro-praxis wrote:

You pervert!

Seriously though.

There's a form of paedophilia where the agent loves children, wants to be a child, denies growing up, can only have functional relationships with children and is basically obsessed with kids, and it is non-sexual.

It is possible that this is the kind of paedophile that Jackson is.

He shouldn't be around children because he's crazy (even you can admit he's nuts, surely, OnlyHuman?), but, I believe he is innocent until proven guilty.

...where's the Slate when you need a balanced opinion on paedos?

I believe he is slightly eccentric but I will not judge him untill I have met him and get to know him personally. My opinion on his mental state is based on what I have heard from his friends. who describe him as a down to earth guy once you get to know him and get past all the fame.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 01-02-2005 07:30PM

The room was accesable only through a panal hidden in the back of a wardrobe. Why would you hide a room in a wardrobe?

I've been asking a similar question of C.S. lewis for quite some time now.

is he dead? I'm not too optimistic on my chances of an answer.

koneko · 01-02-2005 07:40PM

neuro-praxis wrote:

He shouldn't be around children because he's crazy (even you can admit he's nuts, surely, OnlyHuman?), but, I believe he is innocent until proven guilty.

Sounds pretty accurate to me.

I don't think OnlyHuman will ever admit that though, based on the things he says:

"and i think most fans will agree that when someone insults MJ we take it very personally as we fell he is a part of us."

I think he referred to Bono as if he's some type of deity before aswell. If I confused you with someone else, genuine apologies.

Blisterman · 01-02-2005 07:42PM

I think he's innocent. He was raised a devout Jehovahs Witness, and considers homosexuals disgusting. What would he think of paedophiles then?

neuro-praxis · 01-02-2005 07:50PM

Only Human wrote:

I believe he is slightly eccentric but I will not judge him untill I have met him and get to know him personally. My opinion on his mental state is based on what I have heard from his friends. who describe him as a down to earth guy once you get to know him and get past all the fame.

OnlyHuman, please be realistic. I'm a huge MJ fan too but my head's not stuck in the sand. Have you seen what he has done to his face and his body? Do you hear the way that he speaks? He is not a well man. I am not judging him - in fact, I have a lot of pity for him. "Slightly eccentric" doesn't quite cut it. Hell, I'm slightly eccentric. He's more of a raving nutcase. Maybe he's a nice guy, too. But he is fixated with children in an unhealthy way. If he really wanted to demonstrate his love for children (sanely) he would do so in an adult, responsible way, making efforts to wipe out world hunger or something, not allowing a dozen hick kids sleep in his giant bed in Neverland.

Moriarty wrote:

I've been asking a similar question of C.S. lewis for quite some time now.

is he dead? I'm not too optimistic on my chances of an answer.

Sadly, old Clive is dead.

I think a secret room makes sense. Mentally, he seems to be a child. What child wouldn't LOVE a secret room? Damn it, I'm 22 and I'd dig a secret room.

Phil_321 · 01-02-2005 08:06PM

It'll be a sorry day for mankind if Michael Jackson has to spend a night in prison.

I think the kid's mother is a lying cúnt trying to make a few handy quid out of an easy target. I'm rooting for MJ all the way.

Only Human · 01-02-2005 08:08PM

neuro-praxis wrote:

OnlyHuman, please be realistic. I'm a huge MJ fan too but my head's not stuck in the sand. Have you seen what he has done to his face and his body? Do you hear the way that he speaks? He is not a well man. I am not judging him - in fact, I have a lot of pity for him. "Slightly eccentric" doesn't quite cut it. Hell, I'm slightly eccentric. He's more of a raving nutcase. Maybe he's a nice guy, too. But he is fixated with children in an unhealthy way. If he really wanted to demonstrate his love for children (sanely) he would do so in an adult, responsible way, making efforts to wipe out world hunger or something, not allowing a dozen hick kids sleep in his giant bed in Neverland.

What he decides to do with his face (be it a product of childhood neglection,mistreatment or whatever it is) is his buisness.He has been assesed by alot of psychiatrists, not only has he been declared sane but it has been declared that his personality doesnt even fit the profile of a child molester.Most child molesters have 100's of victims. Michael Jackson has had 2 acusers with in 10 years. Im sure my Grandads has more sexdrive than once every 10 years. In my opinion not only is he sane but he is a humanitarian. Here are the Records of his charity invlovment.

neuro-praxis · 01-02-2005 08:31PM

Ok. After reading those records I accept that he is a giving kinda guy. This is good news, I like him anyway.

However, I still believe that he is mad.

omnicorp · 01-02-2005 08:39PM

Guilty.
But it's hard to get a fair result from this though.
Either way, it will not end with the verdict

chewy · 01-02-2005 09:41PM

perhaps I should put up a poll asking how many think he will get a fair trial... ?

or how many would be favour of a better press complaints procedure.. .Cahrlie Bird certainly would?

Only Human · 01-02-2005 11:01PM

No need. I dont think there is any real easy way of asessing it now unless you look at previous trials, like OJ's. But then again this is alot bigger and OJ hadnt a guilty image going into the trial (as far as I know). I realy dont know, but the jury selection scheme seems ligit. I guess we'll have to see.

Zulu · 01-02-2005 11:07PM

Only Human wrote:

No need. I dont think there is any real easy way of asessing it now unless you look at previous trials, like OJ's. But then again this is alot bigger and OJ hadnt a guilty image going into the trial (as far as I know).

You must be kidding?!? Do you not remember the car chase?

Only Human · 01-02-2005 11:10PM

Zulu wrote:

You must be kidding?!? Do you not remember the car chase?

Nope as I said my knolege on the OJ trial is limited.

Dr Bolouswki · 02-02-2005 12:16AM

I don't think the secret room thing is anything to get excited about - If i had that much money I'd have loads fo secret rooms - and linking to the daily news? please... not exactly the highest standard of journalism is it?

It seems to me that he's getting prosecuted for being weird, being honest enough to admit that hanging out with kids is a beautiful thing, and to satisfy the inquisition brought about by the twisted attitude of an hysterical society morbidly fascinated by child abuse.

mycroft · 02-02-2005 01:27AM

Blisterman wrote:

I think he's innocent. He was raised a devout Jehovahs Witness, and considers homosexuals disgusting. What would he think of paedophiles then?

Either you're very sarcastic or have been living under a rock in cavan.....

Michael Jackson verdict (MEGAMERGE)

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