Jyaaazus lads.

eth0_ · 11-01-2005 03:24PM

PRE_10_DER wrote:

i never got the whole australia thing why does everyone want to go there??

Because it's a beautiful country with beautiful weather, a much better quality of life, people aren't worked to the bone there, it's much cheaper to live there etc etc.

I do think we're going to see an exodus to other countries. Even just moving to the UK you have a better lifestyle and might actually be able to buy a house within a year or two of finishing college! I'm moving to the UK in the summer and I cannot wait.

PRE_10_DER · 11-01-2005 03:33PM

my brother moved up north.. he bought a nice 3 bedroom house for 60K sterling and he's also earning way more now than he did in Ireland:rolleyes:

cheaper house and bulkier wallet = good deal!

fischerspooner · 11-01-2005 04:22PM

jesus. Original poster, your situation sounds so much like my experience a few years ago. Met a Canadian girl here, moved out to Calgary eventually, got hitched, couldn't work for a while. Although I managed to get under the table work, with poor pay. Yes I don't miss the 6 month winter though, I really don't think the nice summers are worth cold like that for so long. I've thought about going back to Canada, I'm still married to a Canuck, the reason I came home is that I was just not getting on well there and holding both of us back so she went back to her part of canada (newfoundland) and I went back to ireland. I've been to NFLD since. I did get a valid working visa though, you can get one while your application is being processed but it takes a while and was costly. Yes the standard of living is better over there apparently, but I think I'd take the buzz and culture of europe over the big houses and dead town centers of western canada. Best of luck though mate, vancouver's a lovely place

Jujenjitsu · 11-01-2005 05:28PM

Indeed Canada is a lovely place, and I do miss the hustle and bustle of the old world. As for my education, I left school 3 weeks before the leaving cert, in protest. I decided that the leaving cert was a joke, and further more the education system in Ireland was one which was based on the highest possible merit earning you a place of only mediocrity. I've been doing graphics design since I was 12, am 19 now, mastered Flash, Photoshop and a handful of scripting languages. A creative writer by nature, with just as much time and experience in that field as the graphics design one, an accomplished and noted philosopher with enough theorem to pack a stadium. An I.Q. of 132, 8 points short of a mensa membership.

I am determined to make something of myself outside a country which is imploding in on itself. The gap between the rich and the poor in Ireland is set to widen to stupid-sized proportions. And I'm not going to be there when the economy Mary R. built out of her own hands gets squashed by the greedy fat-guzzling competitionless Irish market goers cause the system to collapse. Let Eircom, ESB and all the other monopolies have the country, I don't give a flying fudge-sickle. I seriously recommend that anyone with half a brain leave the country immidiately, and force the government to take action to help reduce the exportation of the Irish people who're subject to a country that is neither willing nor wanting to help them better themselves.

Sleepy · 11-01-2005 05:34PM

I've usually noted that anyone who takes Mensa seriously is lacking in the most important form of intelligence: common sense. Not having a go, just an observation.

fischerspooner · 11-01-2005 05:50PM

ok jujitsu fair enough but don't you think someone of your apparent genius and creativity should put it to use to change his own country instead of going abroad and telling us all to leave and what a horrible place we live in? The vast majority of irish people couldn't just up and leave, it's handy enough if you're a 19 year old with no ties or responsibilities. Canada is hardly the most inspirational place in the world either, a country who's culture can be defined by kraft dinner, ice hockey (or just "hockey" as they say over there), the word "eh", and maple syrup. Why do you think you meet so many canadian backpackers and canadians living here and everywhere? They leave because it's a soulless place, made up of immigrants, with no sense of community. My ex used to assure me that newfoundland was different to the rest, a cultured homely place, but when I got there it was like the rest of canada, long motorways lined with subways, wendys, A&Ws, dennys, tim hortons...
Anyway I'm rambling, my point being, don't dis ireland!

Jujenjitsu · 11-01-2005 05:53PM

No, no, you're right, you hit the nail on the head. We must all learn the difference between knowledge and wisdom. And a mensa member with a healthy dose of both is a powerful man indeed. My bud, Allan Tearnan graduated 6th year last year with the highest leaving cert results in recent history. But hes' as dumb as a box of rocks. I remember Darragh O'Brien owning him in class one day with one simple remark. "You know Allan, you're the smartest idiot I've ever known."

Jujenjitsu · 11-01-2005 05:56PM

DON'T DIS TIM HORTONS, MAGGOT.

Just kidding.

You must understand, that my feelings towards Irelands economy and people are grounded in my opinion and personal experience. Canada _isn't_ the most inspirational place in the world, and to be honest: Ireland was. I lived in Wicklow, Ashford to be precise, so how could I not look out the window into the vast rolling fields and woods on a sun-lit day and find torrents of inspiration? Why, from Irelands night sky alone in mid summer you can write thousands of words and they'll come like water from a river.

Like all Irishmen, my home is where my heart is, and you can't take an Irishmans heart out of Ireland. I even miss english Telly, hell, I just miss England, and I didn't even live there.

koneko · 11-01-2005 05:56PM

Mensa don't accept you based on your IQ score, they have a test of their own.
Just nitpicking..

Jujenjitsu · 11-01-2005 05:59PM

koneko wrote:

Mensa don't accept you based on your IQ score, they have a test of their own.
Just nitpicking..

Ahh, I was told it was an I.Q. rating of 140 or higher. But I even hate bringing up the topic of I.Q.s, read Kevin Warwicks "The quest for intelligence." to find out why.

pickarooney · 11-01-2005 06:04PM

koneko wrote:

Mensa don't accept you based on your IQ score, they have a test of their own.
Just nitpicking..

Don't you have to introduce a member to a gurl or something?

koneko · 11-01-2005 06:07PM

But I even hate bringing up the topic of I.Q.s

No offense, but you're the one that brought it up... right?

pickarooney wrote:

Don't you have to introduce a member to a gurl or something?

And bring cookies!

Or so I was told. I was the girl so I didn't have to bring anyone.*

*Please note the above is all fictional

Sleepy · 11-01-2005 06:09PM

Personally I've complete disdain for mensa, I sat their test just so I could refuse membership... It's the sort of thing that anal people with little or no social skills use to put on their CV in place of a proper extra curricular activity.

pickarooney · 11-01-2005 06:12PM

Sleepy wrote:

I sat their test just so I could refuse membership...

No, seriously that's the sort of thing anal people with little or no social skills do.

PRE_10_DER · 11-01-2005 06:17PM

Sleepy wrote:

Personally I've complete disdain for mensa, I sat their test just so I could refuse membership... It's the sort of thing that anal people with little or no social skills use to put on their CV in place of a proper extra curricular activity.

do you mean ''i sat their test so i could prove how intelligent i am but i failed miserably so i'll pretend that i did it so i could protest''

way to go:D

Sleepy · 11-01-2005 06:22PM

Well, t'was more to see if I could do it, tbh. Had no interest in joining, was curious to see if I'd qualify for their self-styled elite based on a measurement that you can learn to improve, is completely culturally biased and takes no account of the arguably more important emotional quotient.

PRE_10_DER · 11-01-2005 06:28PM

what kind of questions were asked? i'd be curious to do it myself.. and as sad as i may be, i think it would look very good on the cv

Jujenjitsu · 11-01-2005 06:32PM

pickarooney wrote:

Don't you have to introduce a member to a gurl or something?

Sleepy · 11-01-2005 06:34PM

PRE_10_DER wrote:

what kind of questions were asked? i'd be curious to do it myself.. and as sad as i may be, i think it would look very good on the cv

Trust me, I've seen a CV tossed into the bin with the word "tosser" pronounced over it for having a Mensa membership quoted on it.

Jujenjitsu · 11-01-2005 06:36PM

Hahahahaha, I wouldn't be surprised. Most Irish people could easily qualify for Mensa anyway, they're smarter than they should be.

MrPinK · 12-01-2005 03:02AM

PRE_10_DER wrote:

my uncle has lived over there for about 20 - 25 years and i assume he is a citizen

am i entitled to apply for any kind of permanent visa or sometihng?

Not unless you marry him

Slutmonkey57b · 12-01-2005 07:05AM

Jujenjitsu wrote:

I'm brilliant! And a kept man! I'm brilliant!

And modest and good looking to boot, eh?
Actually, you seem to be a childlike, unemployable layabout, eh? What with not having a job and boasting on the internet, eh?

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d!ckhead.

ionapaul · 12-01-2005 01:49PM

MrPinK wrote:

Not unless you marry him

Think that's legal in Canada - though maybe not with your uncle. By 'your uncle' I mean his uncle of course, I am sure he could marry *your* uncle if they were both on for it. Course unless your uncle is a Canadian citizen, what's the point, right?

MrBigglesworth · 13-01-2005 12:10AM

Ah I'm sure your wife's parents think your a great catch Jujenjitsu eh?

MrPinK · 13-01-2005 01:00AM

ionapaul wrote:

Course unless your uncle is a Canadian citizen, what's the point, right?

It might not get you a visa, but he's still a good catch.

mad m · 13-01-2005 01:42AM

@Jujenjitsu

Hey you married young all the same,how long you married now?Or was it (im getting deported marry me!!!!)kidding.Ah well fair play to you hope you get a job and it works out.But in 10years ill bet you will move back to the homeland with few kids and wife in tow.And by that time the ceiling on first time buyer who doesnt have to pay stamp duty will only be a zillion euro.

boo4842 · 13-01-2005 09:51AM

I'm in Canada too (Oakville, Ontario) Where abouts are you?

I grew up in Canada though (born in Dublin), so I'm used to the weather and prices. I did spend 4 of the last 7 years in Ireland and my mother lives there with my sister.

The prices are incomparable. I pay about 30 euros for a 6Mbit /1024 cable connection.

The real kicker is I rent a 800sq ft appartment, in one of the nicer areas of Ontario, which includes heat, ESB, has an indoor poo,l and a (distant) view of the lake for $800 a month - or about 500 Euros.

tman · 13-01-2005 10:07AM

boo4842 wrote:

The real kicker is I rent a 800sq ft appartment, in one of the nicer areas of Ontario, which includes heat, ESB, has an indoor poo,l and a (distant) view of the lake for $800 a month - or about 500 Euros.

:eek:
you ****ing bastard!
paying €800 p/m for a tiny 2 bedroomed apartment here in Galway

boo4842 · 13-01-2005 10:28AM

fischerspooner wrote:

ok jujitsu fair enough but don't you think someone of your apparent genius and creativity should put it to use to change his own country instead of going abroad and telling us all to leave and what a horrible place we live in? The vast majority of irish people couldn't just up and leave, it's handy enough if you're a 19 year old with no ties or responsibilities. Canada is hardly the most inspirational place in the world either, a country who's culture can be defined by kraft dinner, ice hockey (or just "hockey" as they say over there), the word "eh", and maple syrup. Why do you think you meet so many canadian backpackers and canadians living here and everywhere? They leave because it's a soulless place, made up of immigrants, with no sense of community. My ex used to assure me that newfoundland was different to the rest, a cultured homely place, but when I got there it was like the rest of canada, long motorways lined with subways, wendys, A&Ws, dennys, tim hortons...
Anyway I'm rambling, my point being, don't dis ireland!

I'd agree with practically everything you say about Canada being uninsperational, but to say that Canada isn't good because of all the Canadians abroad is just funny. I've never seen a country with more "emigrants" than Ireland. In fact, I had never heard of the term emigration till I lived there. I had only heard of Immigration in Canada and never know a single person who had left to live aborad. Compare this to Ireland, where everyone has at least one good friend or relative that lives aborad. Why do so many Irish leave. I've never met a single Canadian who has moved over to Ireland, who wasn't there as a student or travelling through Europe. Maybe a couple have returned to Ireland, but no one born In Canada is going to pack up and move to Ireland, but it does happent he other way around.

I love the culture and excitement of Europe, and had thought about spending my life in Ireland before I moved back here for good in October. Ireland is great if you are willing to sacrifice your quality of life, for good culture. I couldn't afford a nice place in Dublin, I could never afford to drive, eat out as much, or buy things that I was used too in Canada. I decided I wasn't willing to make that all those sacrifices since I had ties in both countries, Canada is my choice. I could work hard, never go out, scrimp and save most of my life, buy a small house and a tiny car in Dublin, but I would always think I was wasting my money and not getting the value of life and infastructure that I was in Canada.

My dad grew up in Dublin, and all his family live there and he /we visit once or twice a year, but he would never move back. This view is shared with the dozens of irish people that live in his area. Ireland is a great place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there long term.

boo4842 · 13-01-2005 10:34AM

tman wrote:

:eek:
you ****ing bastard!
paying €800 p/m for a tiny 2 bedroomed apartment here in Galway

Oh I know. I was paying 825 for a 1 bed in the Liberties in Dublin. About 300 more than I'm paying now, and that didn't include anything, had no parking, and the added bonus of Junkies asking me if I was "lookin"

I lived there with my gf, and paid an extra 3000 in taxes because we could not fbe assessed together unless we were married. (You can file jointly after 6 months together in Canada) It was a big kick in the nuts, as we had been living together for over 3 years, had a gross income of 42k combined and were paying 42% tax.

View from my balcony last week.

Its not a sterotype though, we do get snow.

Its funny, I've been posting for years on a Canadian message board and am always bringing up how great Ireland is, and I'm doing the opposite here. There is no comparison with the people in Canada and the people over there. Canada is fairly souless in general, but you can always find a group of people that are good craic (usually of Irish decent

) and go out with them, while also enjoying the superior quality of life.

I miss a lot of things about Ireland, and english telly too as mentioned, but I don't miss a lot of things too. I had broadband over here for years, then moved over there and was stuck with dialup until it finally got rolled it out in my area. I had to pay 250 euros for a connection that was about 1/5th as fast as what I was used to, and then pay over double the price. On the other hand I spent my first christmas in 4 years in Canada this year, and it wasn't 1/10th as good as over there. There's no pub culture or great craic during the holidays like over there, not to mention the family piss ups and buzz in town.

Jyaaazus lads.

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