UEFA Champions League - Final Group games (will contain scores)

A Dub in Glasgo · 07-12-2004 12:45PM #1

07/12/2004
Panathinaikos v PSV
Arsenal v Rosenborg
Shakhtar v Barcelona
Celtic v Milan
Valencia v Bremen
Internazionale v Anderlecht
PSG v CSKA Moskva
Porto v Chelsea

08/12/2004
Liverpool v Olympiacos
Deportivo v Monaco
Leverkusen v Dynamo Kyiv
Roma v Real Madrid
Ajax v Bayern
M. Tel-Aviv v Juventus
Fenerbahçe v Man. United
Lyon v Sparta

Some big games to decide who goes through to the next stage, who gets dropped into the UEFA Cup and who gets nothing

I will be at Celtic Park tonight for what is probably the 2nd best game at Celtic Park this season. I do not think Celtic will lose but they need to match or better Shakthars result against Barcelona to get the UEFA Cup spot.

I think Liverpool will get a UEFA Cup spot and Arsenal will probably scrape through into the next stage. Man United and Chelsea are already through.

most surreal game will probably be Roma v real Madrid and I hope Roma get a draw to put RM into the UEFA Cup.

AthAnRi · 07-12-2004 12:51PM

Arsenal may get through but they could well struggle tonight. They are missing Viera, Edu, Silva, Lauren. Wenger is also going to keep Lehman on the bench.

The Rooster · 07-12-2004 01:02PM

Arsenal still have Henry, Bergkamp, Pires, Ljunberg, Campbell and Cole. All far superior to anything Rosenborg might offer. Rosenborg are already out and their season is over (surprisingly they won league again! - for the 13th successive time :eek: ) Arsenal should win comfortably.

Valencia v Bremen should be the game of the night tonight. Valencia need to win 1-0 or by 2 clear goals to pip Werder to the second qualifying spot in that group.

I hope Madrid make it against Roma tomorrow. They're great to watch, and it'd be super if they drew an English team in the next round.

Shaque attack · 07-12-2004 01:03PM

i think liverpool will come through this one, i don't think celtic will get the UEFA cup spot though. i expect milan to beat them

A Dub in Glasgo · 07-12-2004 01:20PM

Shaque attack wrote:

i think liverpool will come through this one, i don't think celtic will get the UEFA cup spot though. i expect milan to beat them

For that to happen, Shakhtar need to get at least a draw against Barcelona as well as Celtic losing. Shakhtar are certainly capable of getting that draw.

I would imagine that both Barcelona and Milan are keen to go top of the group.

LizardKing · 07-12-2004 01:21PM

if milan win and barca win , will Celtic get Uefa ??

also I'm really nervous about Pool game ... I expect it to be a long , edge of the seat, night but I hope they can scrape through to next champions league stage ...

A Dub in Glasgo · 07-12-2004 01:22PM

LizardKing wrote:

if milan win and barca win , will Celtic get Uefa ??

Yes - courtesy of that invaluable point in the Nou Camp

also I'm really nervous about Pool game ... I expect it to be a long , edge of the seat, night but I hope they can scrape through to next champions league stage ...

do they need to win by number of goals?

LizardKing · 07-12-2004 01:31PM

ehm think 1 nil will do it for them ... not sure on the other various paths .. perhaps someone can give us the full run down ....

ButcherOfNog · 07-12-2004 02:04PM

Liverpool need to win 1 nil or failing that, win by two clear goals. at least we'll have Baros on the bench and if it comes to it hes capable of getting a goal or two.

BolBill · 07-12-2004 02:09PM

A Dub in Glasgo wrote:

Yes - courtesy of that invaluable point in the Nou Camp

BBJ a mile off side though but who cares !!!!!

LizardKing · 07-12-2004 02:11PM

is there no chance of extra time or peno's then ??

mayordenis · 07-12-2004 02:13PM

ButcherOfNog wrote:

Liverpool need to win 1 nil or failing that, win by two clear goals. at least we'll have Baros on the bench and if it comes to it hes capable of getting a goal or two.

i had to rely on other results but if depor get a win and we win dont us and olympiakos go through???

The Rooster · 07-12-2004 03:59PM

If Liverpool win 2-1 (or 3-2, 4-3 etc)

AND Monaco win - then Liverpool finish 3rd in the group

AND Monaco lose - then Liverpool finish 2nd behind Olmpiakos

AND Monaco draw - then Liverpool finish top of the group! (with Olmpiakos 2nd and Monaco 3rd, all on 10 points)

Strange but true.....

eirebhoy · 07-12-2004 04:46PM

The Rooster wrote:

If Liverpool win 2-1 (or 3-2, 4-3 etc)

AND Monaco win - then Liverpool finish 3rd in the group

AND Monaco lose - then Liverpool finish 2nd behind Olmpiakos

AND Monaco draw - then Liverpool finish top of the group! (with Olmpiakos 2nd and Monaco 3rd, all on 10 points)

Strange but true.....

If Liverpool win 2-1 and Monaco draw, Liverpool finish second. If Liverpool win 3-1 and Monaco draw then they finish top. BTW, one vital thing in finishing top is that you play the 2nd leg of the next knockout stage at home. That gives a big advantage as they'd know what they have to do in their own back yard.

Man U have brought their second string to Turkey which is a strange one.

This is the first time in over a year that I don't feel confident for Celtic going into a home game. Agathe and Petrov are doubtful, McGeady should start. Hertha Berlin, PSG and a few premiership clubs are supposedly keeping tabs on Hartson who can talk to other clubs in January.

mr_angry · 07-12-2004 05:20PM

Another tense night for the Arsenal. Alas I wont be watching it. That'll probably add about 5 years to my lifespan though... :rolleyes:

Gangsta · 07-12-2004 05:36PM

i hope arsenal win but their central midfield in inexpierenced, but with vieira missing last year against inter they hammered them. More of the same plz:)

i hope madrid if they get through get one of the english teams who'll knock them out. that'll show the english clubs mean business:D

milan will kill celtic............0-1

Lex Luthor · 07-12-2004 05:38PM

I think Pool will get through this...2-0.
I am expecting Carragher to be all fired up for this one and will kill anyone that comes within 40yds of the goal.....

Jivin Turkey · 07-12-2004 06:38PM

I fully expect Liverpool and Arsenal to go through. And I think one of them will top their group seeing as their rivals for top all have tough away games.

United are through but I think it is a bit strange sending the second string to Turkey seeing as the will probably need a win to top the group.

kida · 07-12-2004 06:58PM

Arsenal if they don't get an early goal will struggle - only Lyundberg and Henry have scored in the CL this season. if get to half time and its 0-0 it could be a tough 2nd half.

Can Liverpool keep a clean sheet is their key as I cannot see them scoring twice .

Not surprised United have sent a 2nd string to Turkey, given the state of the other groups finishing top is not necessarily an advantage. The only benefit is playing ay home in the 2nd leg. I personally prefer Utd at home first as they can kill off the tie.

mike65 · 07-12-2004 07:16PM

My predictions are always crap so here goes - Arsenal win, Liverpool loose!

Mike.

Jivin Turkey · 07-12-2004 09:08PM

kida wrote:

Arsenal if they don't get an early goal will struggle - only Lyundberg and Henry have scored in the CL this season. if get to half time and its 0-0 it could be a tough 2nd half.

Can Liverpool keep a clean sheet is their key as I cannot see them scoring twice .

Not surprised United have sent a 2nd string to Turkey, given the state of the other groups finishing top is not necessarily an advantage. The only benefit is playing ay home in the 2nd leg. I personally prefer Utd at home first as they can kill off the tie.

Well Arsenal have their early goal. Actually make that two.

Baros is back for Liverpool, Kewell was on the scoresheet at the weekend, I think they are more than capable of scoring twice.

And as for finishing top not an advantage? I guess we will just have to wait and see

joe. · 07-12-2004 09:26PM

4-1 arsneal. puting my money on 9-2

mayordenis · 07-12-2004 09:27PM

rosenborg wont get a second

Raskolnikov · 07-12-2004 10:37PM

Probably a good thing they didn't put Celtic on TV tonight, I think it'd have been chucked out the window.

Barcelona fielded their reserve team by the way, Celtic faced a near full strength team.

eirebhoy · 07-12-2004 10:41PM

First time we failed to score at home in over a year.

BTW Raskolnikov, Milan fielded more second string players than full but they're all still Italian, Argentinian and French regular internationals. McGeady was great and he even got a few claps by Nesta. MONEY!!!! :mad:

Jivin Turkey · 07-12-2004 10:59PM

Well Arsenal top the group unbeaten, not too bad for a team that always choke in Europe

. It says a lot that they can do that considering they havnt been playing that well for the last month or so.

I really think United (and Liverpool!) should be looking to top their group now. Seeing as if they dont they likelyhood will be that they will face one of the Italian sides in the last 16, all of whom are doing very well this year.

Johnny_the_fox · 07-12-2004 11:06PM

Jivin Turkey wrote:

Well Arsenal top the group unbeaten, not too bad for a team that always choke in Europe . It says a lot that they can do that considering they havnt been playing that well for the last month or so.

Or It says they can beat a very poor Rosenborg team. :eek:

Jivin Turkey · 07-12-2004 11:08PM

Johnny_the_fox wrote:

Or It says they can beat a very poor Rosenborg team. :eek:

They topped the group for more reasons than winning tonight. Remaining unbeaten home and away, and beating their closest rival being the main ones.

Johnny_the_fox · 07-12-2004 11:18PM

Jivin Turkey wrote:

They topped the group for more reasons than winning tonight. Remaining unbeaten home and away, and beating their closest rival being the main ones.

Panathinaikos and PSV - closest rivals? I knew Arsenal are good, but I didnt know they were at good. :eek:

Arsenal should have walked that Group.

gandalf · 07-12-2004 11:24PM

Well they won it which is what counts

A very good first half by the Gunners shame they took the foot off the pedal in the second half. Fabregas is a relevation and I really enjoyed watching him score his goal.

The Muppet · 07-12-2004 11:28PM

A good win for Arsenal. Their new keeper doesn't impress me , I can see him let them down big time when the heat comes on. I believe Lemon is the better keeper.

UEFA Champions League - Final Group games (will contain scores)

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