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Renault Alpine GTA V6 turbo

  • 20-11-2004 04:14PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭


    Has anyone here ever seen one of these ultra rare junior supercars on the roads in this country. I have seen two - a black one near mondello park and a red one on the M50. It is a beautiful car in my opinion (others will undoubtedly disagree) with unique styling and many special features. In its day it was a very well regarded car. I have a road test where it kills the Porsche 944 and the 1990 Nissan 300ZX despite being a lot cheaper than both. I've seen another road test where it was compared with a Lotus Esprit Turbo and 911 Carerra and while it wasn't the testers favourite it acquitted itself well and offered excellent value (2/3 the price of the Porsche)
    v6turbo1.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 172 ✭✭JB123


    There used to be a white one floating around bray havnt seen it in a long time. Nice cars starting to get very rare now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23 cheapthrills


    there used to be a red one on an 88D plate around stillorgan a few years ago, havent seen it in a long time, great looking, rare and pretty cheap. you could pick up a nice one for 5/6k in the u.k.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Near Supercar performance/rarity for half the price of a Ferrari. Wont rust as made of carbon fibre, did'nt sell so now cheaper than ever. Just pray you never need to replace the windscreen - over 1000 euro.
    Country of origin
    France
    Years of production
    1985 - 1990
    Numbers built
    4660
    Weight
    1190 kilo / 2623.5 lbs

    Engine
    Renault Z7U 730 90º V 6
    Engine Location----Rear , longitudinally mounted
    Displacement
    2.458 liter / 150 cu in
    Valvetrain-- 2 valves / cylinder, OHV
    Fuel feed--- Fuel injection
    Aspiration---Single Garrett T3 Turbo
    Gearbox---- 5 speed Manual
    Drive
    Rear wheel drive

    Performance figures
    Power 197 bhp / 147 KW @ 5750 rpm
    Torque
    290 Nm / 214 ft lbs @ 2250 rpm
    BHP/Liter--- 80 bhp / liter
    Power to weight ratio--- 0.17 bhp / kg
    Top Speed---250 km/h / 155 mph
    0-60 mph Acceleration---6.9 s

    http://www.carsurvey.org/model_Renault_GTA.html

    gta.jpg

    Meanwhile you could have the even faster smoother looking A610
    Engine
    Renault 90º V 6
    Engine Location-Rear , longitudinally mounted
    Displacement----2.975 liter / 181.5 cu in
    Valvetrain--2 valves / cylinder, SOHC
    Fuel feed--Multi point Fuel injection
    Aspiration-- Garrett T3 Turbocharger
    Gearbox---- 5 speed Manual
    Drive
    Rear wheel drive

    Performance figures
    Power 250 bhp / 187 KW @ 5750 rpm
    Torque----350 Nm / 258 ft lbs @ 2900 rpm
    BHP/Liter---84 bhp / liter
    Power to weight ratio----0.18 bhp / kg
    Top Speed---265 km/h / 165 mph
    0-60 mph Acceleration---5.6 s

    610-1.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    Yes mike the A610 is even better and faster however I actually prefer the styling of the GTA.

    As for performance, according to my GTA road test, 0-60 comes up in 6.5 seconds, top speed 154 mph. 50-70 in 3rd takes 3.2, in 4th 4.7, in 5th 6.6. This is very good mid range power.

    It just shows what can be done with a relatively modest power output of 197 bhp if the weight is kept low and aerodynamics are good.

    The other thing about the GTA is that it's actually a very usable car. I'd say it'd be far less temperamental than a Ferrari or Lotus and parts would be cheaper than a Porsche. After all it uses standard Renault running gear. Plus there's a lot more room in the back seats than with most 2+2s.

    Just looking at some more specs. for the GTA
    Front tyres 195/50 ZR15
    Rear tyres 255/45 ZR15

    Helluva difference between the front and rear tyres there! 255 width tyres on a 15+ year old car are very wide.

    BrianD3


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,659 ✭✭✭✭dahamsta


    We had one in Cork about 7-10 years ago, Racing Green, unbelievable quick (came up behind me one day just as I was looking in the rear view mirror, frightened the life out of me). It was written off on the Passage road; allegedly by the owner's son but that could be an urban legend. Whoever it was anyway, they lost it on a corner and the body completely shattered, bits of which are probably still hanging around people's bedrooms today, since there was a souvenir hunt the next morning.

    adam


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    the body completely shattered
    I'm not surprised that it did. Passive safety generally wasn't a priority for low volume, specialist vehicles made of plastic and/or with spaceframe construction. This would apply to Ferraris, Lotuses and Lamborghinis but not to Porsches.

    BrianD3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    I forgot to mention the limited edition GTA Le Mans. It was basically the same car except with bigger wheels, wider rear wheelarches and slightly different (and uglier IMO) front end styling. Only 25 of these were ever sold in the UK. Check out the aggressive rear end styling. Looks almost like a modded car but it's factory original
    25.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,643 ✭✭✭knifey_spoonie


    My dad had one when they came out first.

    One crashed into charlie haughys wall, in the paper it was callled a supercar AFAIK


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    My dad had one when they came out first.

    One crashed into charlie haughys wall, in the paper it was callled a supercar AFAIK

    Got any pics?

    Mike.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭ubu


    That Le Mans looks like an absolute beast!

    I wouldnt be too impressed with the front end styling on the GTA, just looks very 1980's, prob coz it is but anyway nice performance figures i'd take that A610 or the Le Mans tho!


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,659 ✭✭✭✭dahamsta


    BrianD3 wrote:
    I'm not surprised that it did. Passive safety generally wasn't a priority for low volume, specialist vehicles made of plastic and/or with spaceframe construction.
    Apparently yerman walked out of it without a scratch, so the frame must've been pretty well built.

    adam


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    That Le Mans looks like an absolute beast
    Yep. The rear end styling is butch and aggressive making the car look like it has a lot more than 200 bhp. The rear wheels are 17 inchers (15 inchers on normal GTA) And the tyres on the LeMans look like they might be even wider than the massive 255 section width ones on the GTA.

    BrianD3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,763 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    At the time one of my favourite cars :)

    Have only ever seen one here. You'd still see them occasionaly on the continent

    I think most of the Alpines sold were the non-turbo. 0-62 in 8 seconds and top speed of 145mph from a 160bhp engine is mighty decent alright

    A basic '90 944 and a '90 non-turbo 300 ZX have pretty much the same performance figures. The Porsche and the Renault were about the same price, The Nissan was a helluva lot cheaper

    Which makes one question the value for money of the Renault at the time really...

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,711 ✭✭✭Dr. Dre


    There's a white one here in Dundalk, it's used for day-to-day use from what I can see, it's always parked in and around the same spot during office hours.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 724 ✭✭✭ubu


    so when's it getting delivered brian??!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    The Porsche and the Renault were about the same price, The Nissan was a helluva lot cheaper.
    Well, the 1990 300ZX wasn't available without a turbo. Perhaps the older flabby model was but in the test I have the Alpine was being compared with the new at the time 300ZX twin turbo and the prices were
    Alpine GTA turbo - 29995 stg
    Nissan 300ZX - 34499 stg
    Porsche 944 S2 - 35682 stg

    On paper the Nissan had the best performance figures however the testers found that it didn't live up to its claimed performance and actually ended up being slower than the Alpine as did the Porsche.

    And here's the other road test I mentioned.
    http://www.lotusespritworld.com/ERoadtests/TurbovGTAv911_CAR.html
    so when's it getting delivered brian??!
    When I can afford the insurance :) Maybe in 10 years or so :)

    <edit> unkel I didn't read your post properly (duh!) didn't see that you were talking about the non-turbo GTA. Well according to another test the 1990 non-turbo was tested as 145 mph top speed, 0-60 in 6.6, price 25135 stg which makes it not much slower than the turbo and even better value.

    BrianD3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 60,763 ✭✭✭✭unkel


    BrianD3 wrote:
    Alpine GTA turbo - 29995 stg
    Nissan 300ZX - 34499 stg
    Porsche 944 S2 - 35682 stg

    That sure makes the Alpine good value

    Just found another test (again non turbos and beware tis in German) probably from the early 80s
    here between the 944, the A310 and the Alfa Romeo GTV 2.5 V6. No clear winner, 0-62mph pretty much the same and highest topspeed for the 944. The testers liked the Alpine though and found it the sportiest of the three. The Porsche was the better allrounder

    Pricing again is not in favour of the Alpine with the Alfa at €17k, the Porsche at €20k and the Renault at €21k

    "Make no mistake. The days of the internal combustion engine are definitely numbered" - Quentin Willson, 1997



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,985 ✭✭✭ambro25


    French Gendarmes had them as (M'way) pursuit cars for a short while - t'was more a PR thing to generate urban myth than anything, but that single blue gyrolight on top was most uncool :D .

    Can't beat the original A110 for styling and driving, though - but you'll be looking long & hard, more so than for these 80s monstrosities ;) .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,765 ✭✭✭ds20prefecture


    These are very cool cars.

    I believe they were made by Matra for Renault and they use the usual Matra trick of light body on very rigid skeleton (Unitary construction, I think it's called). Similar designs are the Rover P6, Citroën DS, early Studebakers and Tatras (Budd and Ledwinka came up with the method in the 20s). And of course the late, much lamented Avantime. Well lamented by me anyway.

    Here's some for sale
    http://www.europexpo.com/fr/4/48/400783/fiche.htm
    http://www.novaweb.fr/detail.php?id=126229 - looks like a GT
    http://www.novaweb.fr/detail.php?id=125490 - a Turbo
    http://www.novaweb.fr/detail.php?id=124934


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,014 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    AFAIK, Alpine and Matra are two entirely separate companies with Alpine being located in Dieppe and building the A110, GTA etc. plus the Renault 5 Turbo 1/2 and the Clio V6. Whereas Matra is located near Paris and built the Avantime and all Espaces until the current (metal bodied) car was launched. Matra were also heavily involved in F1 racing years ago. Both Alpine and Matra have legendary status among a lot of car enthusiasts.

    BrianD3


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 R5TCV6


    Hi,

    Just browsing through an interest in all things Renault including GTA’s/Alpines and came across this thread. It is old I know but this may interest GTA enthusiasts. With regard to the integrity of the crashworthiness of such cars, the GTA was particularly robust. Contrary to believe and misconceptions about the strength of glass fibre based structures they were actually quite safe in an accident and energy absorbent whereas rigid steel panelled cars of the era were more inclined to fold with high impact shock and damage experienced.

    I once overheard a comment from a GTA admirer with regard to what they thought as dangerous in relation to the location of the fuel tank.A little discerning for most, right upfront offset to the passenger side in the front compartment area where most cars have engines! The first casualty you would imagine in the event of an accident with serious consequences. The tank itself came direct from Formula 1 Technology through Renaults racing experience and Renault assured at the time that it was capable of withstanding high impact forces much to the dismay of most.

    I seen that very same car after a serious accident and the only part left intact up to the Driver/Passenger compartment was the fuel tank nicely perched up on the struts only held on by the fuel lines.. Even back then Renaults made safer cars….. It sort of puts the car into perspective when you consider that the super cars as they are known such as Lotus and Lamborghini have a tendency to light up on occasions in traffic!.. Pricey at the time of around 50000 punts, the GTA was a fantastic car and still has super car looks to many..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 114 ✭✭Renotec


    BrianD3 wrote: »
    Has anyone here ever seen one of these ultra rare junior supercars on the roads in this country.

    Worked on a lot of the Southern Ireland A series models. Very fast, lots of clutch problems especially master cylinders - (getting hot from take off). Very reliable engines. I loved the driver position and design. There is a good following in France and Germany. Parts are not expensive and easy to get.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,800 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    Took this in Terenure a couple of years ago. CIMG0828.jpg
    CIMG0827.jpg


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,718 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    One here: http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/cars/1179750

    What would the VRT be on one of them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭alpina


    Years back a friend of mine arrived home from UK for a week with one, blinding power! Supposedly the electrics were a nightmare, now same guy would not know what a fuse looks like so don't know how reliable...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭Bitten & Hisses


    BrianD3 wrote: »
    Whereas Matra is located near Paris and built the Avantime and all Espaces until the current (metal bodied) car was launched. Matra were also heavily involved in F1 racing years ago. Both Alpine and Matra have legendary status among a lot of car enthusiasts.

    And of course Matra also built the rather nice Murena:

    20081026120532!Talbot_Matra_Murena_S_002.JPG


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 99 ✭✭Rust or Weld


    I remember the white one in scumdalk, often wondered where it went?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 R5TCV6


    Low slung drive position was really nice when fitted with the leather which was of very high quality, Basically same engine as R25 Turbo so parts not all just confined to GTA. The 25 Turbo was popular enough in the UK so second hand parts might be an option. Like all performance Renaults they run perfect when driven and maintained as designed. They are not listed on the VRT query page so it would be a guesstimate I would imagine until brought up to the VRT centre to be assessed. The black looks well, the wheels are different to the original turbine wheels that added, I thought to the sleek look. There was a black import floating around some years back. A good few have come in from the UK in the last number of years. There was one Irish registered Le Mans, a special edition, back in 91 They gained and lost a little power with the introduction of the Cat so evenstevens in the power/performance stakes in general with some minor gains but it had more road presence due to the extended arches and chrome wire type wheels. This along with the official colour scheme of burgundy metallic with a gloss black roof made it instantly recognisable over the standard models. I have a picture somewhere and I will post when I locate it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,042 ✭✭✭spooky donkey


    ah Lad in my job has one. I did take some pics of it cant find them right now but will post them up later if I can find them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4 R5TCV6


    A GTA Le Mans? That would be one nice collectors car and would fetch a very good price in time to come. If it is a le Mans it would be well worth holding onto…


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