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ITV FTA decision: Not before April...

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    nothing is free in this world except for fresh air and that isnt fresh anymore


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭Charles Slane


    Wiggy wrote:
    My head is melted from this :eek:

    Sky pay the BBC for the EPG of BBC1 and BBC2 in ROI.
    The BBC pay Sky for EPG of all BBC in the UK.

    So, no EPG for BBC3 & BBC4 in ROI, unless Sky pays the BBC I guess.
    Unless the BBC would let them do it for free.

    Your head may be melted, but you've got it spot on !

    The BBC get the licence fee in the UK, so it makes sense that they pay Sky for a service provided (EPG placement).

    The Beeb get no financial gain from broadcasting to Ireland other than payment from NTL, Chorus and Sky for the permission to relay their service. The BBC channels act as an incentive for Irish people to subscribe to the Sky service, so it's logical that Sky would pay them for the privilege.

    If Sky believed that BBC 3, 4, News 24 and the children's and radio channels would be a big attraction to potential subscribers, they'd negotiate with BBC Worldwide to put those stations on the EPG.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,761 ✭✭✭cdebru


    i have a uk box with bbc 3 4 new24 on the epg and to be honest i very rarely even look at it
    they dont start till 7pm
    never really check to see what on them
    so i cant see sky paying to put them on the epg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    if they were on the EPG it would be dead handy for Sky+


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭Wiggy


    Mossy Monk wrote:
    if they were on the EPG it would be dead handy for Sky+

    Which is where I came in....

    There is no benefit to Sky+ users if ITV goes FTA unless it appears on the EPG.

    I would say nobody with Sky+ watches BBC3 & 4 much, because they can't time shift or record them, and once you start watching TV like that, there is no going back....

    Which is a pity, because BBC4 is a great channel, IMHO.l


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    that it is, i really like BBC3 and 4 which is why i must set up an older box for them, going through other channels is a pain


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭robert muldoon


    Wiggy wrote:
    Which is where I came in....

    There is no benefit to Sky+ users if ITV goes FTA unless it appears on the EPG.

    I would watch ITV more even if it was on'other channels' I find changing the card to the UK card the biggest disincentive and if I hav'nt used the card for a while I will have lost ITV anyway and have to wait for it to come back again.If ITV were going FTA ,I would have thought there would be a lot more speculation in the British media,its too quiet for my liking


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Tomk1


    I have been reading this forum for a while.
    Just something intresting on ITV1 FTA also Channel4&5 FTA ?

    http://www.satalogue.com/section1/page5.htm


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    nah
    just that website being economical with the facts.
    Nobody knows for sure what ITV will do.
    ITV3 while a good sign could just be a shot across Skys bows.

    Ch4 has already signed up for more encryption iirc and five have indicated many times they dont want to be FTA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭robert muldoon


    Tomk1 wrote:
    I have been reading this forum for a while.
    Just something intresting on ITV1 FTA also Channel4&5 FTA ?

    http://www.satalogue.com/section1/page5.htm

    God bless the BBC, because if you took them out of it ,you would'nt have a lot ,would you?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,030 ✭✭✭eigrod


    Oh please, please let ITV1 be available to Irish SKY viewers by 23rd Nov.....

    http://www.itv-football.co.uk/Champions_League_Channel/index.shtml


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 157 ✭✭redabbey


    eigrod wrote:
    Oh please, please let ITV1 be available to Irish SKY viewers by 23rd Nov.....

    http://www.itv-football.co.uk/Champions_League_Channel/index.shtml

    Well I for one am happy that ITV :D are covering the Liverpool Match. I was despairing that it would only be on ITV2. It would have been bad form of them to only cover Man U. on their main station in all the Tuesday night games.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 glasgowspremier


    I agree redabbey. We should leave it to our friends in Montrose and Tallaght to exclusively show ManU to the detriment of other English clubs who may have a fanbase in Ireland. You know those minor clubs like Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 122 ✭✭wolfe25


    God bless the BBC, because if you took them out of it ,you would'nt have a lot ,would you?
    A bit of wishful thinking there on their part, methinks.
    TCM....didn't realise it was FTA, or is that more wishful thinking?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    it was until they sold their soul to Sky's encryption

    it was dead handy when it was FTA


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭Colm80


    Well with 1 week to go before the ITV deal runs out with SKY what way now do you think its going to go. Will ITV go another 4 years with SKY or will we be happy campers. When BBC went clear we new well in advance what was going on. Why is there so much hush regarding ITV.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,577 ✭✭✭JTMan


    Variety.com have published an article on Sky. Like all other publications they expect ITV to go FTA ...
    On the subject of a new encryption deal with ITV, Blighty's most watched private web, due to expire this month and said to be worth $120m to BSkyB, Murdoch said it was important for ITV's regional advertising sales and copyright protection.

    The BBC's channels have opted out of BSkyB's encryption system. As ITV continues to cut costs, the web is expected to follow suit.
    Taken from here: http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117913453?categoryid=1043&cs=1 (Free reg required)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 742 ✭✭✭channelsurfer


    hmmmmm very interesting. But it looks like sky will do anything to keep itv in its long possessive arms. It itv do walk away from the encryption deal which I still think will not happen they will reach a last minute agreement, then sky will face serious competition because their subscription base is at saturation point in the uk despite what James Murdoch says. Most people that want to subscribe to sky allready have .The majority of the others have no interest in sky and if they were going to go digital they would talk the freeview box as a last option.
    I do hope they go free to air though because then I can ditch Chorus who have been using the old analogue cable here for years and not a sign of upgrade to digital cable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭Colm80


    Found this over on digital spy.

    http://www.dtg.org.uk/news/news.php?id=446

    Sample quotes from article:

    "Former BBC director-general Greg Dyke says ITV is about to make a move which could decide the future of digital satellite television in the UK."

    "Dyke says ITV currently pays £17m per annum for Sky carriage and encryption services. ITV's Sky bill could fall to zero if it goes totally unencrypted, or "at the most £2m if they do what the BBC did and go unencrypted while buying a service from Sky to ensure that Sky homes receive the right regional services"."

    Greg Dyke also claims the encryption deal ends this weekend (eg the November the 20th date we keep hearing).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,732 ✭✭✭✭DMC


    Full article...

    http://news.independent.co.uk/media/story.jsp?story=583065

    Greg Dyke on broadcasting
    ITV can't lose as BSkyB's satellite monopoly crumbles

    This is a crucial week for the future of how we receive television in this country. On Saturday, ITV's contract with BSkyB ends and the future of satellite television could well depend on what ITV decides to do.

    Will it follow the lead set by the BBC 18 months ago and take its service unencrypted, which would mean you would no longer need a Sky card to receive ITV on satellite television, or will it negotiate a new deal with the Murdoch-run operation? Either way, ITV will be a financial winner.

    All this might sound a bit dramatic but the stakes are pretty high, especially for BSkyB, as the future of their monopoly position on satellite television in the UK is up for grabs. If ITV decides to go unencrypted, Channels 4 and Five are almost certain to follow when their current deals with BSkyB end. If that happens, British viewers will be able to do what you can already do on continental Europe: go into the supermarket, buy a satellite kit for something like £60 - the price in a Brussels hypermarket last weekend - and overnight you are free from BSkyB. You will install your own dish, plug in your own box and you will be able to receive up to 90 free channels, including all the main terrestrial channels, without having any relationship at all with Sky.

    This will mean BSkyB's domination of the satellite TV market in Britain will, in effect, be over because they will have no idea who these new consumers are, who won't have Sky cards and who cannot easily be upgraded to Sky's pay services. There will also be a new electronic programme guide which Sky will no longer be able to dominate.

    This is a far cry from the last time ITV was negotiating their contract four years ago. Because ITV was late to go on to Sky Digital, they were forced to pay £17 million a year to BSkyB. ITV had little option but to pay, but they immediately appealed to the then regulator Oftel, claiming BSkyB was abusing its monopoly position and charging too much. In a puzzling decision, Oftel supported BSkyB and said £17m a year was a fair price. BSkyB was jubilant but their victory was short lived. The Oftel ruling set off alarm bells everywhere else, particularly at the BBC. If BSkyB could charge ITV £17m, they could charge the BBC the same when their contract ended, three times what the BBC was then paying.

    I was the director general at the time and we decided that BSkyB's monopoly had to be broken, so we switched our services on to a new satellite and broke away from BSkyB. You would no longer need a BSkyB card to receive the BBC's services. BSkyB responded in the way you'd expect of a Murdoch operation. They played tough. They threatened us by saying they would take BBC1 and BBC2 off the two best slots on their electronic programme guide - 101 and 102. We said, 'You can't do that', and appealed to the Independent Television Commission (ITC).

    Then something strange happened: BSkyB began to back off and make friendly noises. We later discovered that the ITC had found something in their investigation which BSkyB didn't want made public, so they were keen to settle with the BBC. Sadly, I still don't know what the ITC found but it made a big difference. We kept slots 101 and 102, BBC3 and BBC4 were given 115 and 116 on the same guide - slots which we'd been trying to get for ages - and BSkyB were very helpful to the BBC over the new FA football deal.

    What will ITV do? They have launched ITV3 unencrypted, so maybe they will be brave enough to take on BSkyB. Whatever they do, it will be good financial news for ITV. Instead of having to pay BSkyB £17m a year, they will either pay nothing if they go totally unencrypted or at the most £2m if they do what the BBC did and go unencrypted while buying a service from Sky to ensure that Sky homes receive the right regional service.

    So, in just four years BSkyB will have gone from being all powerful to needing ITV to stay on their system. How the mighty have fallen.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 742 ✭✭✭channelsurfer


    good article.. Dyke seems to think they will go fta. but then again that could be wishful thinking.. only 4 more days to .I would expect an annoucement on friday evening last minute..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,353 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    i'll buy beers all round if they go FTA :)

    Owner: satellite.ie https://satellite.ie/



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭Colm80


    ill hold you to that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,732 ✭✭✭✭DMC


    Tony wrote:
    i'll buy beers all round if they go FTA :)

    Either you are Lord Lucan, and I claim my £5, or you know something else........ ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,353 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    DMC wrote:
    Either you are Lord Lucan, and I claim my £5, or you know something else........ ?

    absolutely no insight on this one Damo, tell you what though as it would be difficult to buy beer for everyone here I'll let you nominate a charity for a €100 donation if it comes to pass. That should get the good karma going

    Owner: satellite.ie https://satellite.ie/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,732 ✭✭✭✭DMC


    Nailed for boards.ie own Santa Strike Force or are you saying that as you will probably gonna get plenty of installs for Christmas of ITV does go FTA?! :D

    My inkling, and its not more than that, 100% not a guarantee, is that FTA non-Sky boxes are the ones to watch over the next few days/week.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 742 ✭✭✭channelsurfer


    If Tony does not know what is going to happen then I guess noone knows.It probably boils down to the 10 or 15 itv boardmen deciding how much they will save and are leaving sky sweating. they know that if they leave it long enough sky will (or thats their thinking) offer them free encrytion just to keep em..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,353 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    DMC wrote:
    Nailed for boards.ie own Santa Strike Force or are you saying that as you will probably gonna get plenty of installs for Christmas of ITV does go FTA?! :D

    you got it brother

    Owner: satellite.ie https://satellite.ie/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭Brian017


    So what's the story?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    morning glory

    the truth is no one knows but ITV


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