my first dealings with the gardaí

chrismon · 26-09-2004 04:26PM

cops can be very annoying,and embarrsing.
I was in supermacs one night eating a burger with my friends,the place was packed,then the cops come in,start asking me questions,drag me out of my chair and searched me,made me empty my pockets,searched my wallet,took my name and address and then walked out.
W@nkers

super_furry · 26-09-2004 04:34PM

Maybe it had something to do with this - http://www.rte.ie/news/2004/0926/dublin.html, in which case you can understand the Gardai's abruptness and their treatment of the two teenagers.

RicardoSmith · 26-09-2004 04:44PM

Theres good AND bad guards unfortunately. I've met both. Such is life. Best defense against the bads ones is knowing a few good ones. Preferably as high a rank as possible.

Big Ears · 26-09-2004 04:44PM

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

They are not there to harass people who are just standing around either.YepI don't drive. It was a bycycle going down an empty alleyway ( wouldn't call it a road ) and it was less then 100 meters long. I was crawling along on the yellow lines my other options were to jump onto the footpath which had a few shoppers on it. I could imagine your feelings at having being treated like I was and I'd say they wouldn't be too positive, they need some tact and should be able to handle situations without intimidating people. They fear for themselves because one of these days they know they'll meet someone on whom their intimidation won't work and then they will have run out of options, so they won't deal with that person.

Like the thread about the drug dealers being ignored outside certain parts of Dublin when they *know* who these people are it's because being a bully against these kinda people can result in nasty things happening to you so if anyone points out these people to you, as a guard you just say "Thanks we know about them" and you just keep walking. It's great that the guards have no prob slamming me off my bike onto the road ( that's how I was stopped ) when I'm cycling down an empty road or can request a random girls ( peachypants ) address and name when she has done nothing wrong or can slam a 15 year old into their car to "Show them who's boss". NO FEAR that what the guards are all about, eh? or maybe NO BACKBONE would be more likely. They act like bullies and like all bullies they are afraid of anyone stronger then them so they pick on the weakest. So until you've been intimidated by a random guard then I really don't think you'll ever be able to grasp what it's like, knowing that you are always in the wrong and that there is nothing you can do but sit there and take their crap, until then just don't bother commenting.

You forgot to mention that this is what 100% of the Gardai are like and that not one of them is a normal person who is there to protect and serve the public , :rolleyes:

stagolee · 26-09-2004 04:57PM

i heard talk a while back that some sort of independant ombudsman or something was going to be set up so that a complaint against the guards didnt just result in the complainant being put on some sort of list of known troublemakers. anything happening about that?

Ruaidhri · 26-09-2004 05:42PM

From Link
Two 18-year-olds are still being questioned at Mountjoy Garda station about the incident.

and

suddenly two young lads, around 14 or 15, appeared and sat on the same wall, having been chased off from the canal by the guards for drinking.

Somehow i think not? it's VERY hard to get a 14 year old and a 21 year old mixed up. hell it's hard to get a normal person and a little scum-bag mixed up. my dealings with the gardai have (thankfully) been limited, but i jumped a wall into an estate i used to live in (a quiet clu-de-sac in galway) and got questioned at length RIGHT OUTISDE MY HOUSE and somehow got my address taken. really does make you wonder ( this is two days after i get jumped on the street by my house, and report said incident )
i think they just want to insult us all.

Stark · 26-09-2004 05:52PM

Sometimes you do see a 21 year old hanging around with 14 year olds in order to sell them drink/drugs etc. For example, in our park there's this (I can only describe him as a "fool" or a "dope", his nickname amongst the normal people in the estate is "Mope") dope who hangs around with all the young lads to be "cool" and is known by the gardaí to be selling them hash and stuff.

26-09-2004 06:03PM

Stark wrote:

Sometimes you do see a 21 year old hanging around with 14 year olds in order to sell them drink/drugs etc. For example, in our park there's this (I can only describe him as a "fool" or a "dope", his nickname amongst the normal people in the estate is "Mope") dope who hangs around with all the young lads to be "cool" and is known by the gardaí to be selling them hash and stuff.

Sounds gay.

OfflerCrocGod · 26-09-2004 06:03PM

Big Ears wrote:

You forgot to mention that this is what 100% of the Gardai are like and that not one of them is a normal person who is there to protect and serve the public , :rolleyes:

Never said they were all like that; it's just obvious though that quite a few guards are not capable of interacting with citizens in any manner other then by bullying. Yes some of us have had good experiences with the guards ( Stark's second experience is how the guard who knocked me off my bike should have reacted "Listen son don't do that". Instead I was harangued for nearly 20 mins in a public place and was fined €60 - a month after the incident because the guard may have feared I was going to complain about my treatment. I had to go into court and waste a judges time and mine for someones ego trip )

On the other hand there are many guards who behave like children ( lots of examples above ) these people have no tact and are to many people intimidating, scary and rude. Just because not all of them are like this we should just shrug our shoulders and say "Ah, well at least some of them are pleasent". So the ones that are making the guards look like gorillas in yellow raincoats should just be let be and hope that maybe they will "grow out of it". Sorry Big Ears but that plan doesn't strike me as very smart. They should be given lessons on how to behave towards people in public during their training and how to deal with situations in ways other then bullying. They aren't bouncers.

super_furry wrote:

Maybe it had something to do with this - http://www.rte.ie/news/2004/0926/dublin.html, in which case you can understand the Gardai's abruptness and their treatment of the two teenagers.

I forgot the part of my story ( or anyone elses story on this thread ) were 'me and me gang' were caught assaulting a Lithuanian man near the Royal Canal, could you please point that part out to me?

super_furry · 26-09-2004 06:28PM

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

I forgot the part of my story ( or anyone elses story on this thread ) were 'me and me gang' were caught assaulting a Lithuanian man near the Royal Canal, could you please point that part out to me?

*sigh* Well it really should be blindingly obvious, but I'll indulge you. The topic creator said he saw the teenagers being questioned and was then asked for his details himself after he left his house at around ten and was in the of the 'canal'. At roughtly the same time the Gardai would have been investigating the assualt of a man by a group of teenagers by the Royal Canal.

So like I said, if what peachypants saw was connected to that assault, the Gard's attitude and behaviour is understandable.

26-09-2004 06:34PM

"since when are gay people like that?"

I recieved minus reputation and the above comment for my "sounds gay" comment above. Might I just point out to the person who has
A: a brain the size of a pea or
B: is a homosexual with a sever inferiority complex or/and a persecution complex

That I meant gay as in ghey. A common expression on the internet for meaning lame I have been led to believe. As in what gay/ghey or lame behaviour for someone aged 21.

CyberGhost · 26-09-2004 06:43PM

bah, nothing special!

I'd say good work Gardai!

those scam deserve to be treated like that!

OfflerCrocGod · 26-09-2004 07:12PM

super_furry wrote:

*sigh* Well it really should be blindingly obvious, but I'll indulge you. The topic creator said he saw the teenagers being questioned and was then asked for his details himself after he left his house at around ten and was in the of the 'canal'. At roughtly the same time the Gardai would have been investigating the assualt of a man by a group of teenagers by the Royal Canal.

So basically every teenager any where near a canal was to be treated as a suspect including a 21 year old girl and 14 year old kids? As none of them were actually arrested or asked to go to the station with them it seems as if the guards were basically going to see how many people they could piss off instead of trying to communicate with anyone they just demanded details and never once told these people WHY. Anyone with half a brain would have figured out going up to them telling them about the assault may have solicited some sort of a reaction, a look or one of them trying to pull a legger, something more usefull then God knows how many pissed off teenagers.

super_furry wrote:

So like I said, if what peachypants saw was connected to that assault, the Gard's attitude and behaviour is understandable.

NOT AT ALL they had no proof that any of these people were connected to this assault. They were aggressive from the word 'Go' their attitude towards all of the kids was to attack them and to ignore any request for information. They really seem to know how to make friends those two guards don't they.

Also peachy was harassed on friday the 24th the attack occured on the 25th, maybe the guards have magical predictive powers?

OfflerCrocGod · 26-09-2004 07:18PM

CyberGhost wrote:

those scam deserve to be treated like that!

Wait till it happens to you, then maybe your pugnacious attitude will disappear. To be replaced by the shame of a public verbal telling off - or worse. Whether you're 'scam' or not it doesn't matter.

Big Ears · 26-09-2004 08:19PM

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

Sorry Big Ears but that plan doesn't strike me as very smart.

It dosen't strike me as a very smart plan either , and I certainly didn't suggest it .Its just that you failed to say anywhere among you're posts (and there was a couple of big ones) that this is not what all Gardai are like .

You were making it sound like we would be better off without the Gardaí .

luckat · 26-09-2004 08:30PM

I was thinking the same, that it must have been about that poor Lithuanian guy:

(From RTE)

Lithuanian man is assaulted in Dublin

26 September 2004 19:37

Two 18-year-old men are due to appear at Dublin District Court tomorrow morning charged in connection with a serious attack on a 48-year-old Lithuanian man.

A third teenager has been arrested in connection with the incident, which took place along the Royal Canal in Dublin last night.*

Gardaí say the man was set upon by up a gang of youths and beaten about the head and neck.

His condition is*described as critical at Dublin's Mater Hospital.

Gardaí are*trying to establish a motive for the attack and are appealing for anyone who was in the Drumcondra area last night to come forward.

Put yourself in the Garda's place. She was probably scared, and acting the big arrogant Guard to cover, and to make sure no one tried to take her on.

If a Garda asks you for your name, give it, and your address, and be polite - legally, you're required to do so.

I know politeness should go both ways, but it doesn't always, and you look after your dignity better by being polite than by losing your temper or being smart.

OfflerCrocGod · 26-09-2004 08:32PM

Big Ears wrote:

It dosen't strike me as a very smart plan either , and I certainly didn't suggest it .Its just that you failed to say anywhere among you're posts (and there was a couple of big ones) that this is not what all Gardai are like.

Were did I say that's how they all are?

Big Ears wrote:

You were making it sound like we would be better off without the Gardaí .

I don't think so I just think we would be better of with civil guards. If you were to act like that towards people Big Ears I'd say you'd be told soon enough about it; but we can't tell them that can we because they wouldn't like it now and the last thing you want is to give them further reasons to dislike you they could make your day a real pain.

luckat · 26-09-2004 10:36PM

Remember the words of the prophet: "Love your neighbour, do good to them who hate you, and pray for those who persecute and calumniate you - it'll drive them crazy."

Chinafoot · 26-09-2004 11:38PM

The Muppet wrote:

It made so angry you considered writing a letter EH.

ok wasnt actually being serious about the letter thing....it was a joke since i know i sound like some aul one, moaning about the guards. :rolleyes:

i was just very surprised thats all, more so about the guard dragging the kid over the wall just for laughing.

meh

Caesar_Bojangle · 27-09-2004 12:08AM

I second the "she fancied you" notion.

I reckon the male cop fancied you but was too shy to ask for your number outright, so he got the female cop to do it for him.

pork99 · 27-09-2004 12:23AM

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

Like the thread about the drug dealers being ignored outside certain parts of Dublin when they *know* who these people are it's because being a bully against these kinda people can result in nasty things happening to you so if anyone points out these people to you, as a guard you just say "Thanks we know about them" and you just keep walking.

I'd say that also has something to do with the revolving door court system here.

I just think we would be better of with civil guards.

If you spend most of your time dealing with the sewage of society it may have a coarsening effect on one's manners.

We simply need more and better resourced cops

http://www.rte.ie/news/2004/0921/garda.html

http://www.examiner.ie/pport/web/ireland/Full_Story/did-sgZSlZV5VWKjssg0aewFBADppk.asp (subscription)

More than 80% of members surveyed reported inappropriately designed cars represented a risk on a daily basis and a similar number were exposed to risks because of inappropriate staffing. Six out of ten had to patrol alone a minimum once a week and 50% of lone patrols face confrontations every day. More than 60% of all respondents reported a lack of back-up.

OfflerCrocGod · 27-09-2004 08:56AM

pork99 wrote:

We simply need more and better resourced cops

That's what I was talking about before when I said it's no surprise that they are afraid they went into this situation in attack mode from the begining. I strongly doubt peachypants looks like the kinda person who would randomly attack people therefore the guards attitude towards her is just stupid. That goes for the two 14-15 year olds, if the two guards though they would have been to much for them to handle then maybe they should leave the force. Just because you deal with scum everyday doesn't mean everyone you deal with is scum.

fletch · 27-09-2004 09:12AM

I don't see the problem, she was most likely getting your name as you may have been a witness to something. So she spoke to you a little condescendingly...get over it! The two lads were probably scumbags causing trouble, so the guards probably took them down to the station to scare them.

Gurgle · 27-09-2004 09:57AM

pork99 wrote:

We simply need more and better resourced cops

So that they can drag in more scumbags, get more convictions and the courts can hand out more suspended sentences.

Anyone see the primetime special a few months ago ?
At 16 in Dublin, you can clock up 70 convictions without ever spending a night behind bars.

What we need is a criminal justice system.

I'd imagine it would be like christmas to a garda if they dragged in some little knacker and the courts actually punished it.

Blub2k4 · 27-09-2004 10:02AM

pork99 wrote:

We simply need more and better resourced cops

I would have thought that better training in dealing with people is what the cops need, they seem to take the most ignorant of cocky culchy pups and turn them into the same thing with heavy George Webbs and add an attitude.
Most of them shouldn't be wearing the uniform and they should all be answerable to the same laws as us.

X-Dawg · 27-09-2004 10:29AM

OfflerCrocGod wrote:

Instead I was harangued for nearly 20 mins in a public place and was fined €60 - a month after the incident because the guard may have feared I was going to complain about my treatment.

Di*ks. They should have fined you before the incident. Get over it, mate. You broke the law. Tough sh*t. Why do you have to have a go at the Gardai just because you can't read a one-way sign?

pickarooney · 27-09-2004 10:34AM

Why should he have to traipse half way around the city just because there are no bike paths?

stagolee · 27-09-2004 10:50AM

Blub2k4 wrote:

...and they should all be answerable to the same laws as us.

this is just the point , if you were half as rude to a garda as they are to you when they decide to stop you and give you hassle for no reason then they would find some made up rubbish to charge you with or if no-one was looking probably give you a few digs.

i dont see how their job is made any easier by treating everyone like sh1t , and the "they have to deal with so many scumbags the attitude just sticks" argument is flawed because if they cant tell the difference between a "scumbag" and a decent person minding their own business then theyre in the wrong job for a start

seamus · 27-09-2004 10:58AM

Attitude begets attitude.

If a Garda stops you and asks you questions, and you immediately go on the defensive, "WTF WTF, I'm just minding my own business like, stop oppressing me!" attitude, and get snotty, then the Garda is going to get snotty and treat you like a scumbag.

Can't say I've ever been stopped by a Garda with a bad attitude, as an adult. But then, I'm relaxed and chatty with them if they ever do (very rare admittedly), which makes them relaxed and friendly.
I can remember being younger and having the defensive attitude, and the Garda immedialy going on the offensive.

Blub2k4 · 27-09-2004 11:07AM

seamus wrote:

I can remember being younger and having the defensive attitude, and the Garda immedialy going on the offensive.

Or the May day march where taking their numbers off in the station could have been seen as immediately going on the offensive!

my first dealings with the gardaí

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