Why do people hate Bi-Sexuals.

the_syco · 13-09-2004 09:31PM

monument wrote:

Nicely put – it’s not like there is many non-gamers hanging around any the games boards.

(and it is the Battlefield forum – it’s not a game about filing things)

/me tries to figure out if monument is being sarcastic, or is agreeing with me. Me's puzzled.

qwertyphobia wrote:

azezil “STI's are statisically higher amoung Bi-sexual men...”

The figures for STI infection in Ireland do no differentiate between gay male and bisexual male they are all lumped into the catogtory MSM (men who have sex with men) so I don’t know where you can say that Bi men have more infections then gay men. Please explain?

Just a thought;
Have you slept with a dude? If the answer is yes, we lump you in the "gay" category. If you say yes to both man and woman, your limped into the "bi" category. If "bi", you may be lumped into the "gay" category as well. Thus the "bi" category may equal "gay"+"bi" dudes.

monument · 13-09-2004 09:46PM

the_syco wrote:

/me tries to figure out if monument is being sarcastic, or is agreeing with me. Me's puzzled.

Just agreeing with you.

qwertyphobia · 14-09-2004 09:19AM

the_syco wrote:

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Just a thought;
Have you slept with a dude? If the answer is yes, we lump you in the "gay" category. If you say yes to both man and woman, your limped into the "bi" category. If "bi", you may be lumped into the "gay" category as well. Thus the "bi" category may equal "gay"+"bi" dudes.

Because Identity (gay or bisexual) is not a good indicator of sexual behaviour they are not used in the collection of data for STI/HIV in Ireland or anywhere I think. What is used is the catch all "did you have sex with a man question?" if your a man and answer yes to this you get put into the MSM group wehther you identitfy as gay, straight or bisexual.

Thats why I asked the person who said “STI's are statisically higher amoung Bi-sexual men...” azezil
Where they are getting their information, no such statisical information is avaible in Ireland.

keu · 14-09-2004 06:00PM

damien.m wrote:

All this "hatred" and discrimination and ignorance directed at bisexuals is down largely to the fact that people are directing their insecurities into negativity directed towards something they fear or don't understand.

Sexuality is complicated like everything else in humanity. It might make the world a little more uniform and a good bit more bland if sexuality was so easy to define. I think that sexuality still has a long way to go before the general population understand it more. This includes the homosexuals amongst us.

Again like wataru stated it's all about finding the right person, their sex doesn't matter.

eh..thanks for the negative rep for my personal opinion btw.

as for the comment which suggests I'm ignorant because I personally would choose not to be with someone who is bi-sexual, I think thats completely unfair. Someone asked the question as to how you would personally respond and I gave my honest answer.

I hold no hatred towards bi sexual, or homosexuality, I'm just hetro, I do love men and women possibly equally, but I have no desire to shag women.
I don't doubt that someone who is bi-sexual cannot be as loving or as committed to another person, I just wouldn't be into sharing my life with someone who enjoys sex with both genders, perhaps they are too liberated for someone like myself, a monogomus relationship (let alone a singular sex relationship) would bore them to tears and they would soon be longing for their freedom to experiment.
I'm too boring for that kinda stuff (don't think I should be punished for my preferences)..I prefer the missionary position with a guy who enjoys having sex with women.

my two cents.

oooh look my postcount. RAAAAR

X-SL · 14-09-2004 06:08PM

keu wrote:

Personally, (and I've never had to think about it before)...but if I met a guy and after some time he told me he was bi, I would tell him to get lost pretty quickly.
I'd have no interest in having a relationship with someone who hasn't a clue on which side of the fence they stand or and wouldn't particularly fancy being a playmate catering for his sexual diversions. In such an instance I would either consider that person to be confused or selfish.

In other words, I don't care if someone is bi-sexual as long as I dont have to be a partner to it.

..does that sound prudish?

Nope. That sounds fine to me.

To each their own.

Boston · 14-09-2004 06:13PM

keu wrote:

eh..thanks for the negative rep for my personal opinion btw.

Should be a rule about taking about Rep's in a thread. Here i gave you some positive rep so you would stop moaning.

as for the comment which suggests I'm ignorant because I personally would choose not to be with someone who is bi-sexual, I think that's completely unfair. Someone asked the question as to how you would personally respond and I gave my honest answer.

And your honest opinion is based around ignorance. It's not like it's you dis-honest opinion.

I hold no hatred towards bi sexual, or homosexuality,

Hating something and hating someone are very didn't things. Hate comes from misunderstanding, fear and frustration. Sound like you have all three, therefore hate isn't to far a jump to make.

I'm just hetro, I do love men and women possibly equally, but I have no desire to shag women.

Many Bi-sexual women have no desire to shag another woman... other then the one they are already shagging of course.

I don't doubt that someone who is bi-sexual cannot be as loving or as committed to another person... perhaps they are too liberated for someone like myself, a monogamous relationship (let alone a singular sex relationship) would bore them to tears

You contradict yourself, how can there be commitment in any relationship without monogamy.

their freedom to experiment.

Sleeping with a member of the same sex once is an experiment, several times a week for several weeks, is a lifestyle.

I prefer the missionary position with a guy who enjoys having sex with women.

Aha, the real reason you don't want to be with a bi man, is because you believe they can't enjoy sex with a woman, aka you couldn't pleasure a man that's been with a man. Now that might be a fair point to make, had you made it.

my two cents.

damien · 14-09-2004 06:20PM

keu wrote:

eh..thanks for the negative rep for my personal opinion btw.

Don't tell me that you are again making an uneducated assumption ? I don't hide behind reputation points. I'll tell someone I disagree with them in the thread. I'm no coward. Twasn't me.

as for the comment which suggests I'm ignorant because I personally would choose not to be with someone who is bi-sexual, I think thats completely unfair.

That was not your ignorant statement. You're actual statement was one that slated bisexuals as being people devoid of the ability to settle on being straight or gay and that a partner of a bisexual was a sexual diversion. May I remind you:

who hasn't a clue on which side of the fence they stand or and wouldn't particularly fancy being a playmate catering for his sexual diversions. In such an instance I would either consider that person to be confused or selfish.

a monogomus relationship (let alone a singular sex relationship) would bore them to tears and they would soon be longing for their freedom to experiment.

Jesus, and you start again with another ignorant statement. Being bisexual doesn't mean you can't be monogamous. I know some lovely couples where one or both partners are bisexual and they are more monogamous than some straight couples I know.

Memnoch · 14-09-2004 06:21PM

i think one of the problems people have with bisexuality is because people claim that sexual orientation is genetic and not a "choice". Meaning that you're either BORN gay or BORN straight, and the idea of swinging both ways kinda interferes with this attitude, because if you're born being able to like both, that means you have a choice.

I personally have always believed that being gay or straight or bi is a choice people make, and in my opinion have every right to make, as its their own business etc. But off course people who think that they are gay because they are "born" gay and always were, take great offence to this line of thought :P

keu · 14-09-2004 06:23PM

I get the feeling your trying to convert me....whatever my reasons they are mine.

Sleeping with a member of the same sex once is an experiment, several times a week for several weeks, is a lifestyle.

actually this would be a better reason..and I'm not into that lifestyle.

Aha, the real reason you don't want to be with a bi man, is because you believe they can't enjoy sex with a woman, aka you couldn't pleasure a man that's been with a man. Now that might be a fair point to make, had you made it.

if sex is that good for him, I would think he should just stick with men.

Boston · 14-09-2004 06:34PM

Memnoch wrote:

i think one of the problems people have with bisexuality is because people claim that sexual orientation is genetic and not a "choice". Meaning that you're either BORN gay or BORN straight, and the idea of swinging both ways kinda interferes with this attitude, because if you're born being able to like both, that means you have a choice.

I personally have always believed that being gay or straight or bi is a choice people make, and in my opinion have every right to make, as its their own business etc. But off course people who think that they are gay because they are "born" gay and always were, take great offence to this line of thought :P

Have you ever been in Love? I have, pretty **** most of the time. Most of the time I wish i wasn't, cause it hurts so much, especially when you know you can't have that person, or that the person is no good for you, treats you mean. Often I wish I'd never discovered the ultimate head **** that is love, But I've no choice, I can't help who I fall in love with. I have a choice of whome I have meaningless soul destroying sex with, but not who I fall in love with. Now why is it that you believe bi or gays have a choice in who they fall for? You fall in love with someone for many reasons. Few revolve around weather or not they have a penis or a pair of tits.

keu wrote:

I'm not into that lifestyle

No one expects you to be in to a relationship with some screwing around. Its your opinion that bi-men can't be faithfull is the problem. You seem scared to moi.

I would think

I wish you would.

ixoy · 14-09-2004 06:41PM

keu wrote:

I just wouldn't be into sharing my life with someone who enjoys sex with both genders, perhaps they are too liberated for someone like myself, a monogomus relationship (let alone a singular sex relationship) would bore them to tears and they would soon be longing for their freedom to experiment.

No no no. See again you're tarring bisexual people with your perception of bisexual people. That's why we're responding to you - because you've got some false notions in your head.

You seem to think that a bisexual person is less capable of loving back or would grow more tired of a relationship. What do you base that on? Why do you think a bisexual man or woman would be less loyal than a hetro- or homosexual one? You haven't stated the reason other than your suspicions.

I'm too boring for that kinda stuff (don't think I should be punished for my preferences)..I prefer the missionary position with a guy who enjoys having sex with women.

Hmm I think the underlying problem is you're focusing too much on the sex aspect? Is that what bothers you the most? That you feel a bi-man could never enjoy sex as much because he'd compare it to a type of sex that you could never offer? If that's the case, then please say so because I'd find it far more understandable than you thinking he'd be unfaithful.

Emboss · 14-09-2004 06:53PM

I don't mind them at all, well as much as I don't mind gay men who don't pardon the pun put it in my face and realise it's a choice they're making to be bi and usually for attention or try to give them some identitiy crying out to be different who knows what goes on in the brains of people with mental issues.

you may very well have sex with men in bed but what happened your voice and all this girly behaviour.

why does what people do in the bedroom have to be advertised with clothes/squeeky voices

your a man, you shag men, but still be a man.

i

keu · 14-09-2004 06:57PM

Its your opinion that bi-men can't be faithfull is the problem. You seem scared to moi.

Most of the people I know who have swayed towards bisexuality have been coke heads or people who takes E's at the weekend and would shag a dog with three legs if given the oppertunity. Now..perhaps I am biased, but in my comprehension to be bi sexual, is to desire sex with both genders, whether that means you share relationships on a weekly basis, or have a long term relationship which allows promiscuity in order to feed those desires. If two people agree to that then more power to them.
Maybe I'm am afraid.
With regard to the sexual aspect..maybe I am confused here too, My best friend (female) is like my soul mate, I love her to bits. I ws with a guy for five years (we had a kid together too) and I can safely say I loved her more than I loved him. I think my relationship with him was purely sexual and he was very jealous of my relationship with my best friend, would call us lesbos. We shared a house together for a year and when he was asleep I would sneek into her room and jump into her bed, never in a sexual way, but in a closer and more intimate way than with him.
I don't consider that as being bi-sexual, unless painting another womans toenails at 2.30 am counts. To me, this is a common womany type thingy. TBH, the thoughts of being intimate sexually would make me shiver, would be akin to thoughts of sex with my sister.
I know that people seek this kind closeness with their companions and often confuse those feelings with sexual desire, be it male or female. Perhaps bi-sexuality is just crossing that fine line.

Boston · 14-09-2004 06:57PM

Emboss wrote:

I don't mind them at all, well as much as I don't mind gay men who don't pardon the pun put it in my face and realise it's a choice they're making to be bi and usually for attention or try to give them some identitiy crying out to be different who knows what goes on in the brains of people with mental issues.

you may very well have sex with men in bed but what happened your voice and all this girly behaviour.

why does what people do in the bedroom have to be advertised with clothes/squeeky voices

your a man, you shag men, but still be a man.

i

HAve you ever met someone like that, cause I've meet a fair few gay/bi men, and I've only ever sen the sterotype once in the past.

Emboss · 14-09-2004 07:08PM

Boston wrote:

HAve you ever met someone like that, cause I've meet a fair few gay/bi men, and I've only ever sen the sterotype once in the past.

Plenty of times and it reallys get on my nerves, especially if they are friends of friends i find it very hard not to ask them to turn the squeeks of and talk like a man, after all that's what you are, I'm not asking him to sit and watch the match drink beer and get in a manly brawl, just to be a normal fuc*ing man

it's not much to ask i don't think.

Boston · 14-09-2004 07:08PM

keu wrote:

Most of the people I know who have swayed towards bisexuality have been coke heads or people who takes E's at the weekend and would shag a dog with three legs if given the oppertunity. Now..perhaps I am biased,

Bias or insance, its your choice. You can't really believe this is the case. Coke and E have links to sex, not sexuallity.

but in my comprehension to be bi sexual, is to desire sex with both genders, whether that means you share relationships on a weekly basis, or have a long term relationship which allows promiscuity in order to feed those desires. If two people agree to that then more power to them.

You point blank refuse to believe bi-sexuals can be faithful. Why, to be a hetro man is to be attracked to women. You think that stops when their in a relationship.

Maybe I'm am afraid.
With regard to the sexual aspect..maybe I am confused here too, My best friend (female) is like my soul mate, I love her to bits. I ws with a guy for five years (we had a kid together too) and I can safely say I loved her more than I loved him. I think my relationship with him was purely sexual and he was very jealous of my relationship with my best friend, would call us lesbos. We shared a house together for a year and when he was asleep I would sneek into her room and jump into her bed, never in a sexual way, but in a closer and more intimate way than with him.

Whats the point in sex without that intimacy? You really don't know what your missing if you've never felt what it's like to be with someone you truthly love. More the pitty, that your rigid view on social norms has denied you this.

Boston · 14-09-2004 07:11PM

Emboss wrote:

Plenty of times and it reallys get on my nerves, especially if they are friends of friends i find it very hard not to ask them to turn the squeeks of and talk like a man, after all that's what you are, I'm not asking him to sit and watch the match drink beer and get in a manly brawl, just to be a normal fuc*ing man

it's not much to ask i don't think.

You realise some people talk that way because of medical conditions right? Some people are just ****ing annoying. I wouldn't dare tell someone to act like a man, cause theres always someone more of a man then you. But if someone is irrating you then I see no reason to tolerate their presence.

Emboss · 14-09-2004 07:13PM

Boston wrote:

You realise some people talk that way because of medical conditions right? Some people are just ****ing annoying. I wouldn't dare tell someone to act like a man, cause theres always someone more of a man then you. But if someone is irrating you then I see no reason to tolerate their presence.

These are not medical conditions, well I consider being gay a mental disorder so I guess in a way it is.

These are just gay men who like to go on like girls it's on a medical condition, not the ones I know anyway. they're just like that happy clappy spa from big brother.

ok not act like a man, but turn down the girly squeeks then.

keu · 14-09-2004 07:17PM

Whats the point in sex without that intimacy? You really don't know what your missing if you've never felt what it's like to be with someone you truthly love. More the pitty, that your rigid view on social norms has denied you this.

I dont think its appropriate for you to lecture me on intimacy or love or on what I am missing. I am very aware that my relationship with the guy was not a "special" relationship, but like I said, its not your place to lecture me. (I was very young at the time and we have both moved on and had other relationships since)

With regard to intimacy, I believe that people should be able to express their love for each other, male or female, but I don't think that sex shoud neccessarily follow.

Boston · 14-09-2004 07:17PM

Emboss wrote:

These are not medical conditions, well I consider being gay a mental disorder so I guess in a way it is.

These are just gay men who like to go on like girls it's on a medical condition, not the ones I know anyway. they're just like that happy clappy spa from big brother.

ok not act like a man, but turn down the girly squeeks then.

Yes a high pitch voice can be a medical condition. A couple guys I went to school with their voices just never broke, for whatever reason. Seriously dude why does this bother you? I Know the type but as I've said I've rerely incountered it.

Boston · 14-09-2004 07:22PM

keu wrote:

I dont think its appropriate for you to lecture me on intimacy or love or on what I am missing. I am very aware that my relationship with the guy was not a "special" relationship, but like I said, its not your place to lecture me. (I was very young at the time and we have both moved on and had other relationships since)

In what way is it not my place. You brought up the topic not Moi, and I commented. Myabe you need to ask yourself, is why in all this time you haven't gone out and got yourself a man that you would be intimate with. Maybe its cause you allready had a woman for that role.

Emboss · 14-09-2004 07:23PM

If I knew why it effected me I could do something about changing it.

I have no idea,maybe I just don't know how to deal with a bloke talking like a girl about clothes shopping and who he was gossiping with last week in the post office, and it makes me uncomfortable f*ck knows.

They just make my skin crawl. Like I said I'm sure there is a medical condition where peoples voices don't break but it's hardly like that every guy I know like this is gay aswell.....

keu · 14-09-2004 07:26PM

I really don't know what to say to you boston, as far as I can see, this is your thread and you didn't really want other peoples opinions, you just want their approval to be who you are.
I'm not the one with issues with my sexuality, it seems that is a projection that has been formed by way of this thread.

Boston · 14-09-2004 07:33PM

keu wrote:

With regard to the sexual aspect..maybe I am confused here too, My best friend (female) is like my soul mate, I love her to bits. I ws with a guy for five years (we had a kid together too) and I can safely say I loved her more than I loved him. I think my relationship with him was purely sexual and he was very jealous of my relationship with my best friend, would call us lesbos. We shared a house together for a year and when he was asleep I would sneek into her room and jump into her bed, never in a sexual way, but in a closer and more intimate way than with him.

I'm not the one with issues with my sexuality, it seems that is a projection that has been formed by way of this thread.

Sure what ever you say.

you just want their approval to be who you are

And what am I then? Also why can't I comment on intimacy? Cause I'm a guy.

Emboss: Thats more about people being annoying attention seaking whores, for what ever reasons. If people annoy you why do you associate with them.

keu · 14-09-2004 07:37PM

With regard to the sexual aspect..maybe I am confused here too, My best friend (female) is like my soul mate, I love her to bits. I ws with a guy for five years (we had a kid together too) and I can safely say I loved her more than I loved him. I think my relationship with him was purely sexual and he was very jealous of my relationship with my best friend, would call us lesbos. We shared a house together for a year and when he was asleep I would sneek into her room and jump into her bed, never in a sexual way, but in a closer and more intimate way than with him.

this was in response to Ioxy. and also a good example of the ability to be intimate with the same sex, without the need to cement such a relationship with sex.
(was being sarcastic when I said maybe I am confused)

and yea, I'm pretty sure this thread is just a way of highlighting your own issues.
example: And what am I then? Also why can't I comment on intimacy? Cause I'm a guy.

tad insecure are we?

Boston · 14-09-2004 07:41PM

keu wrote:

this was in response to Ioxy.

and yea, I'm pretty sure this thread is just a way of highlighting your own issues.

You mean you think i hate bi-sexuals. Also it owuld be nice if you answered the questions directed directly at you. Such as my can't I comment on intimacy and what exactly do you think I am here. Maybe I should be adding disclaimers to posts. You've demintrated far more sexual deviatant behaviour then moi in the thread, what with you bed hoping story.

keu · 14-09-2004 07:49PM

You've demintrated far more sexual deviatant behaviour then moi in the thread, what with you bed hoping story.

:rolleyes:

Stark · 14-09-2004 08:19PM

be a ****ing man

And what would qualify someone as a "real man"? Bearing in mind the stereotypical view of a man includes many undesirable qualities. At least be specific in what you want of a person (bring a tuning fork and politley inform them of the pitch at which you would like them to speak

). It may annoy you to see someone who's outwardly male act like a girl, but you also have to realise that many gay men can be borderline transgendered in all but label. It's their right to enjoy many things that girls like, not just other men

PS: I wanted to smack Marco from Big Brother one too, but that was for being a self-absorbed attention seeker who thought funny was barking like a seal.

the_syco · 14-09-2004 09:30PM

Emboss wrote:

you may very well have sex with men in bed but what happened your voice and all this girly behaviour.

Seemingly this depends. In America (or so I'm told) gays like a man "who can take care of them", ie; a big strong macho/manly man (as opposed to a girlie man).

Saying that, I've seen some straight men who take care of their bodies, use hand/face moisteriser [spelling?], etc, much like women do. So you could almost say that gays are just ahead of us, in terms of taking pride in their bodies.

As for the squeaky voice, straight guys have gotten bullied for their voice for a long time. Look @ TV. See all those boybands? Think about it. Your voice is either harsh, or "girly". If the latter, your bullyed, and you can sing for a living.

keu wrote:

which allows promiscuity in order to feed those desires. If two people agree to that then more power to them.

Wanted; 2 women. Since my manhood is so damn large, I'll need two women. A wife and a mistress. WHY THE F*CK DO YOU THINK THAT STRAIGHT MEN AREN'T PROMISCIOUS???

damien · 14-09-2004 09:39PM

the_syco wrote:

Seemingly this depends. In America (or so I'm told) gays like a man "who can take care of them", ie; a big strong macho/manly man (as opposed to a girlie man).[/b]

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"I have a friend who say this black woman leave a buggy at the side of the road when she got on the bus and she said it didn't matter as the health board would buy another." Urban goddamned legends. Stop spreading bollox.

Get. Your. Facts. Substansiated. Or else shut up.

Why do people hate Bi-Sexuals.

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