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50 cent at Reading - the video! :)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,503 ✭✭✭Makaveli


    flogen wrote:
    well Public Enemy, Run DMC and Jurassic 5 are from the more old school of rap, 50 Cent is just a thug riding on the coat tails of Dr Dre and Eminem....

    flogen

    J5 are old school now?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,534 ✭✭✭Blisterman


    There were other stages to see bands at, so whoever says that 50 cent shouldn't have been booked, because greenday fans and stuff wouldn't like him, is wrong. it's not like they had to sit through it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Bungalow Bill


    daveirl wrote:
    This post has been deleted.

    Sorry maybe I should replace '15' with 'immature' which was the point I was trying to get across.
    I don't care if it was f ucking westlife were up there, if you throw bottles at someone then you are a scumbag, especially somebody who has worked their ass off to get where they are. The guy has survived nine bullet wounds and has come back to become one the most successful acts around in the world today. I think that warrants repect, don't you?

    It baffles me how someone can give out about 50cent being homophobic and they can justify hundreds of bottles being thrown at someone just because they don't like him, I mean , it's ridiculous!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,361 ✭✭✭OfflerCrocGod


    Surely they have an age limit at these things? What's up with all the 12 year olds running around and trowing stuff at ppl then? Next time I see someone I don't like I'm going to afto chuck a few bottles of water at them; that will show the world how big and mature I am. "LOOK MA, I'M A BIG BOY"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,106 ✭✭✭John R


    Sorry maybe I should replace '15' with 'immature' which was the point I was trying to get across.
    I don't care if it was f ucking westlife were up there, if you throw bottles at someone then you are a scumbag, especially somebody who has worked their ass off to get where they are. The guy has survived nine bullet wounds and has come back to become one the most successful acts around in the world today. I think that warrants repect, don't you?

    No. It warrants serious suspicion about the character of the person. Someone shot nine times that is not affiliated with some sort of legitimate law enforcement organisation is most likely someone heavily involved in serious criminal activity. I do not think criminals warrant respect.

    And since when has getting shot had any connection with working one's ass off? He won the gangbanger lottery simple as that.
    It baffles me how someone can give out about 50cent being homophobic and they can justify hundreds of bottles being thrown at someone just because they don't like him, I mean , it's ridiculous!

    Being homophobic and encouraging it in others is bigotry of the worst kind, not liking someone because of their words and actions is a judgement, in this case a sound one. Admittedly throwing bottles is an extreme manifestation of that judgement but in their defense I doubt politely saying "please mr cent could you stop uttering your hate filled product and return to wherever you came from immediately" would have had any effect.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Bungalow Bill


    John R wrote:
    No. It warrants serious suspicion about the character of the person. Someone shot nine times that is not affiliated with some sort of legitimate law enforcement organisation is most likely someone heavily involved in serious criminal activity. I do not think criminals warrant respect.

    And since when has getting shot had any connection with working one's ass off? He won the gangbanger lottery simple as that.



    Being homophobic and encouraging it in others is bigotry of the worst kind, not liking someone because of their words and actions is a judgement, in this case a sound one. Admittedly throwing bottles is an extreme manifestation of that judgement but in their defense I doubt politely saying "please mr cent could you stop uttering your hate filled product and return to wherever you came from immediately" would have had any effect.


    You cannot just assume he was involved in criminal activity because he was shot, you don't know that. The guy probably grew up the worst estate in the city and it was inevitable that he may have been in close proximity to shootings at some point.
    And he does not actively turn people against homosexuals. Yeah sure he says '****' now and again but so does nearly everyone. I've heard him interviewed and he actually seems like a decent guy and when questioned on the issue of homosexuality he says that he doesn't like it but has no problem unless some bloke comes on to him or anything like that.
    And besides I seriously doubt that a bunch of drunk teenagers decided on the protest based issues they have with 50cent's views on morality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭lodgepole


    John R wrote:
    He won the gangbanger lottery simple as that.

    Go to google. Do a search for "50 cent biography". Note the working his ass off element of the story.
    John R wrote:
    Being homophobic and encouraging it in others is bigotry of the worst kind, not liking someone because of their words and actions is a judgement, in this case a sound one. Admittedly throwing bottles is an extreme manifestation of that judgement but in their defense I doubt politely saying "please mr cent could you stop uttering your hate filled product and return to wherever you came from immediately" would have had any effect.

    So you're saying that all the people who threw bottles were protesting against his hate filled lyrics? I'd never heard that accusation before this thread, and i've tried googling and still found nothing. I'm not saying it isn't true, but it's ludicrous to believe that this was some kind of mass protest against that. Could it be that it was half people who thought he was doing a disservice to the festival and half people who thought he was homophobic? I wonder then exactly who it was who bottled The Rasmus at the same festival...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,320 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    You cannot just assume he was involved in criminal activity because he was shot, you don't know that. The guy probably grew up the worst estate in the city and it was inevitable that he may have been in close proximity to shootings at some point.


    in August 1994 he pleaded guilty to felony charges of peddling heroin and crack cocaine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Bungalow Bill


    in August 1994 he pleaded guilty to felony charges of peddling heroin and crack cocaine.

    You failed to point out the fact that he was raised up till the age of eleven or twelve by his prostitute mother until she was found dead. Those charges were was when he was 18. He has since become a loyal father to his child and it was his relentless pursuit of respect and a record deal that made him who he is, not some 'lottery'.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,320 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    You failed to point out the fact that he was raised up till the age of eleven or twelve by his prostitute mother until she was found dead. Those charges were was when he was 18. He has since become a loyal father to his child and it was his relentless pursuit of respect and a record deal that made him who he is, not some 'lottery'.


    i never said it was some lottery. i dont agree with him having bottles thrown at him my self.


    but to say he pursued a record deal for respect is bollox, its more about the money to him.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,106 ✭✭✭John R


    You cannot just assume he was involved in criminal activity because he was shot, you don't know that. The guy probably grew up the worst estate in the city and it was inevitable that he may have been in close proximity to shootings at some point.

    I can just assume it, I DID just assume it and it turns out that I WAS correct, he is just another scumbag drug dealer, tell me again why he was such a bullet magnet.
    And he does not actively turn people against homosexuals. Yeah sure he says '****' now and again but so does nearly everyone. I've heard him interviewed and he actually seems like a decent guy and when questioned on the issue of homosexuality he says that he doesn't like it but has no problem unless some bloke comes on to him or anything like that..

    So he came over all nice in an interview, that MUST mean he is a wonderful person. It couldn't be because interviews are treated as PR stunts by all but the most stupid and jaded celebrities, perish the thought.

    Oh and no "nearly everyone" does not say **** every now and then.

    I would have thought that someone so obviously immersed in American "ghetto culture" would have some understanding that the user and the context of use of certain racist/sexist/bigoted slurs is far more important than the frequency of their use. Or maybe you think it is perfectly acceptable for non-black people to use the word ****** every now and then.
    And besides I seriously doubt that a bunch of drunk teenagers decided on the protest based issues they have with 50cent's views on morality.

    It was only teenagers at the festival now?
    And of course festival goers cannot have any such complex thoughts about morality or bigotry. After all they were just a bunch of brain dead headbangers that threw bottles at everyone that wasn't some satan worshiping death metal band, isn't that right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,106 ✭✭✭John R


    Lodgepole wrote:
    Go to google. Do a search for "50 cent biography". Note the working his ass off element of the story.

    I will put that right at the top of my reading list...No really, I will.
    Lodgepole wrote:
    So you're saying that all the people who threw bottles were protesting against his hate filled lyrics? I'd never heard that accusation before this thread, and i've tried googling and still found nothing. I'm not saying it isn't true, but it's ludicrous to believe that this was some kind of mass protest against that. Could it be that it was half people who thought he was doing a disservice to the festival and half people who thought he was homophobic?

    I really have no idea why they decided to fling stuff at him. Everything from people who hated what he stands for to people who hated him because of the colour of his skin via people who were bored and had a spare bottle handy I imagine.
    To be honest I find the whole thing rather amusing, especially the indignation about it all.

    Lodgepole wrote:
    I wonder then exactly who it was who bottled The Rasmus at the same festival...

    People who didn't get to the 50cent bottle throwing orgy in time but had already bought the bottles?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭lodgepole


    John R wrote:
    I will put that right at the top of my reading list...No really, I will.

    Fair enough but don't go around making statements about a performer without even bothering to check if they're true or not. I don't have any interest in 50cent but I looked it up to make sure I wasn't talking out of my arse.
    John R wrote:
    And of course festival goers cannot have any such complex thoughts about morality or bigotry. After all they were just a bunch of brain dead headbangers that threw bottles at everyone that wasn't some satan worshiping death metal band, isn't that right?

    What part of "bunch of drunk teenagers" led you to think he was talking about headbangers or satan worshipping death metal fans? As one of the other people who mentioned youth in this thread, I stand by my thought that it was mainly those 18 and under and those waiting for Greenday that threw these bottles. Never heard Greenday described as a satan worshipping death metal band before...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    Strange, Kurt Cobain is seen as a "god" of the reading festival, yet he was a junkie who screwed over his own bandmates, married a skag, had a kid who was exposed to heroin in the womb (and probably was born addicted as a result, though as the records are sealed we'll never know for sure), then left the baby in the care of other junkies while pursuing his own addiction.

    Swell guy. But strangely he never got bottled. The bottlers are assholes. Nobody forced them to stand there while he was playing. Get over it.

    edit: by that logic, when there was a riot at Woodstock 99 and lots of girls got raped, they "deserved" it because the rapists were forced into it and the girls should have known not to get caught up in a riot with a bunch of drunken scum in the first place, right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,867 ✭✭✭Third_Echelon


    I was at reading in 2000 and eminem couldnt play as he was up in court etc. This was the same day i think as Slipknot, Rage Against The Machine, Limp Bizkit etc etc... the heavy rock day in other words....

    Someone had the great idea of putting daphne and celeste on instead of eminem!!! Thats a bad idea with that type of crowd....

    They got the exact same treatment.... It was mainly paper cups etc, but it was a constant barrage of **** being thrown before they broke down crying and ran off the stage.... It was very funny... I blame the promoters for putting on a silly act like that....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,534 ✭✭✭Blisterman


    Daphne and Celeste? Who are they?


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 6,525 Mod ✭✭✭✭dregin


    I dunno if this has been mentioned already but there's a 50 cent fan trying to bring charges against him after 50 cent through his mic at him in the crowd and knocked him out.

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/2004/09/13/story166320.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,918 ✭✭✭Deadwing


    Strange, Kurt Cobain is seen as a "god" of the reading festival, yet he was a junkie who screwed over his own bandmates, married a skag, had a kid who was exposed to heroin in the womb (and probably was born addicted as a result, though as the records are sealed we'll never know for sure), then left the baby in the care of other junkies while pursuing his own addiction.

    Swell guy. But strangely he never got bottled. The bottlers are assholes. Nobody forced them to stand there while he was playing. Get over it.

    Frances bean cobain was born a completely healthy baby, and yes, heroin free. And whatever your opinion of courtney love, that hardly has any bearing on the topic in discussion here. Someones wife has no influence on whether they get bottled, skank or otherwise.
    The fact is, 50 cent is a scumbag ex-drugdealer who glorifies violence and put in front of a crowd of mainly rock fans, is going to get bottled no matter what, because lets face it, people at these kind of festivals are usually more liberal tree hugger types.
    Yes cobain did drugs, and was a prick to his bandmates, but the same could be said for 90% of bands nowadays.
    Im not some ultra conservative hip hop hater, i was listening to tha chronic years ago before eminem made it popular for white kids to listen to rap. Im jsut saying your argument is a load of bollocks, tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,215 ✭✭✭FX Meister


    Yawn, old news, you guys are so behind the Times

    Majority of the bottle throwers are probably just copying everyone else. At the REM gig in Landsdown there were a coupld of boggers throwing bottles and money trying to hit michael stipe. Not being in a good mood i smashed the fookers nose in for being such a spa and made sure he knew why I did it. Felt bad afterwards but the ignorant bogger was wrecking my head


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    Frances bean cobain was born a completely healthy baby, and yes, heroin free.

    1: The records are sealed so you don't know that at all.
    2: The skag was taking heroin while pregnant so it is extremely difficult for the baby to avoid it.
    And whatever your opinion of courtney love, that hardly has any bearing on the topic in discussion here. Someones wife has no influence on whether they get bottled, skank or otherwise.
    The fact is, 50 cent is a scumbag ex-drugdealer who glorifies violence

    Hands up who both missed the point and contradicted themselves. Kurt was a scumbag ex-drugdealer who glorified violence (usually against himself but not always). People are saying on the one hand "50 is immoral and has a bad personal history, ergo he should be bottled." Now you say "Kurt was immoral and had a bad personal history but he shouldn't be bottled." Which is it? Either your personal life has a bearing on the issue or it doesn't. Since you're not going to sell Kurt down the river, we will have to conclude that someone's history or personality gives nobody the right to bottle them at a concert they haven't been forced to attend.
    and put in front of a crowd of mainly rock fans, is going to get bottled no matter what, because lets face it, people at these kind of festivals are usually more liberal tree hugger types.


    Bwwwaaaahhaaahhaa

    Moron.

    1: Liberal tree hugger types DONT THROW BOTTLES AT PEOPLE FOR NO REASON. That's one of the things that makes them "tree huggers".
    2: Rockers and metallers are not liberal tree hugger types. I don't see Marilyn Manson up a tree boasting about his pocket mulching skills. Simpsons joke
    Yes cobain did drugs, and was a prick to his bandmates, but the same could be said for 90% of bands nowadays. Im jsut saying your argument is a load of bollocks, tbh.

    And the comments made about 50 apply to 90% of rappers. It's your argument that's bollocks.

    50 Cent is an artist (like him or not) who was paid to perform at a festival - THIS IS HIS PROFESSION. Therefore, he was NOT in the wrong. Nor were the promoters. Even if the assholes who started the bottling didn't know when they bought their tickets that he was on the bill they'd have to be deaf blind and dumb not to know about it in the weeks before, or on-site. Since that argument is proved bollocks, and the "personal history" argument is proved bollocks, perhaps you have another defense for the bottlers that can't be shot down by a crippled nun?

    Bear in mind that bottling incidents like this make it more difficult to get licenses to hold festivals. Keep it up assholes, maybe Reading will get cancelled next year due to rising insurance costs.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,918 ✭✭✭Deadwing


    1: The records are sealed so you don't know that at all.

    Hands up who both missed the point and contradicted themselves. Kurt was a scumbag ex-drugdealer who glorified violence
    Bwwwaaaahhaaahhaa

    Moron.

    1: Liberal tree hugger types DONT THROW BOTTLES AT PEOPLE FOR NO REASON. That's one of the things that makes them "tree huggers".

    1: show me the evidence that kurt cobain was a drug dealer. Show me the proof i.e police arrest sheet for drug dealing. Go ahead, ill be right here waiting on the edge of my seat.
    Maybe if youd done any kind of research at all you know francis was born perfectly healthy.
    2. Also show me where kurt sang songs about pimping women, (P.I.M.P) selling drugs (In da club "i got the X if youre into taking drugs") and maybe youll get it into your head why rock/indie fans would bottle a scumbag like 50 and not a 'scumbag' like cobain.
    3. They didnt throw stuff for NO REASON. You idiot, they threw stuff because they WERE OFFENDED BY 50'S HOMOPHOBIC, VIOLENT, MISOGYNISTIC LYRICS. Durrrrrrrrrrr.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,320 ✭✭✭✭Chucky the tree


    Deadwing wrote:
    .
    3. They didnt throw stuff for NO REASON. You idiot, they threw stuff because they WERE OFFENDED BY 50'S HOMOPHOBIC, VIOLENT, MISOGYNISTIC LYRICS. Durrrrrrrrrrr.


    thats a load of bull to be honest. they bottled him cos they dont like his music and his not a rocker simple as that.

    also even if they did throw bottles because they dont belive in the content in his lyrics they re still scumbags. What if it was bricks they threw? would you still think that was acceptable?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 750 ✭✭✭Bungalow Bill


    Deadwing wrote:
    1: show me the evidence that kurt cobain was a drug dealer. Show me the proof i.e police arrest sheet for drug dealing. Go ahead, ill be right here waiting on the edge of my seat.
    Maybe if youd done any kind of research at all you know francis was born perfectly healthy.
    2. Also show me where kurt sang songs about pimping women, (P.I.M.P) selling drugs (In da club "i got the X if youre into taking drugs") and maybe youll get it into your head why rock/indie fans would bottle a scumbag like 50 and not a 'scumbag' like cobain.
    3. They didnt throw stuff for NO REASON. You idiot, they threw stuff because they WERE OFFENDED BY 50'S HOMOPHOBIC, VIOLENT, MISOGYNISTIC LYRICS. Durrrrrrrrrrr.



    And now your reasons why these same people bottles The Rasmus???
    I mean surely these people don't have a problem with this inoffensive pop-rock band, when it comes to their morals anyway, surely??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 165,998 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Those of you who think this sort of treatment is acceptable should be tied to a tree and stoned. Who gives a **** what his lyrics are about? If somebody has a story to tell be it in rap/rock/a story book whatever - let them tell it. It is up to you whether you like it or share it or whatever.

    Deadwing you are seriously full of ****.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    There's a part of me that says it's completely unacceptable, and to be honest, I've never boo'ed any group at any event I've been at. I remember something about Funeral For A Friend getting a nasty reception supporting Iron Maiden last year, and while I certainly didn't like the band, and thought they were one of the worst bands that could've been picked to support maiden, I was off up the entrance of the venue chatting with m8s, or getting a drink.

    Still... When I hear of things like this, 50 Cent, The Rasmus or Daphne And Celest at Reading, Slipknot at Fury Fest, or just about anything else you'd care to mention, there's a part of me that says they got exactly what they deserve for churning out such ****e.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,918 ✭✭✭Deadwing


    cheesedude wrote:
    Those of you who think this sort of treatment is acceptable should be tied to a tree and stoned. Who gives a **** what his lyrics are about? If somebody has a story to tell be it in rap/rock/a story book whatever - let them tell it. It is up to you whether you like it or share it or whatever.

    Deadwing you are seriously full of ****.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭Slutmonkey57b


    Deadwing wrote:
    1: show me the evidence that kurt cobain was a drug dealer. Show me the proof i.e police arrest sheet for drug dealing. Go ahead, ill be right here waiting on the edge of my seat.
    Maybe if youd done any kind of research at all you know francis was born perfectly healthy.
    2. Also show me where kurt sang songs about pimping women, (P.I.M.P) selling drugs (In da club "i got the X if youre into taking drugs") and maybe youll get it into your head why rock/indie fans would bottle a scumbag like 50 and not a 'scumbag' like cobain.
    3. They didnt throw stuff for NO REASON. You idiot, they threw stuff because they WERE OFFENDED BY 50'S HOMOPHOBIC, VIOLENT, MISOGYNISTIC LYRICS. Durrrrrrrrrrr.

    1: Read Heavier than Heaven pp240-241. Frances was held in hospital for "observation" for almost a week, AFTER skag lady had been discharged. Rapid detox of a baby can be done in 24 hours, but the baby needs monitoring afterward.
    NB: as a father, I can tell you that babies are never held in hospital for observation for no reason, especially not without a parent present. Kurt also brought a gun into the hospital as part of a suicide pact with Courtney, was in detox in the same hospital, and overdosed the day after she was born.

    Heavier than heaven, pp47: Kurt sexually abuses a retarded girl and only escapes conviction because the girl can't pick him out of the high school yearbook.

    Good enough for you? Sound like someone who should be bottled?

    Since you have given up "proving" your point, how about an alternative explanation: 50 was bottled for not being white. Once one bottle is thrown, other people join in because they're morons. In fact, you have no idea why 50 was bottled - for that you'd have to know the motivations of the first bottle throwers. My hypothesis is that the bottlers are assholes. Since only assholes throw bottles, I'm right.

    I also bet one other thing - if you put each of the courageous bottle throwers in a room with 50 Cent, I bet they'd suddenly decide violence is not the solution. They're all very moral and courageous in a big anonymous crowd I'm sure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,918 ✭✭✭Deadwing


    I have read heavier than heaven, kurt ATTEMPTED to but never went through with having sex with the retarded girl. Dont try and bend the facts to suit your case.
    Frances was kept for observation, nowhere does it say because she was a smack baby. Most babies nowadays would be kept for observation.

    50 was bottled for not being white?? Oh dear jesus...what kind of a retard are you?? How many times have black artists played mainly rock festivals?? James brown played the english festival circuit i dont know how many times and never got bottled. The new lead singer of sepultura is black, theres countless black artists at these things! Youre just a moron with no credible argument (i.e 'only assholes throw bottles' wow, how much scientific research went into that one professor??) so now youre playing the race card cause youve nothing else to back up your pathetic '50 got bottled cause the crowd are all n*gger hating, rock lovin white power fascists' argument.

    The stupidity of some people on these boards boggles the mind. I mean how did you even get the brain power to turn on a computer, let alone use the internet???


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,810 ✭✭✭lodgepole


    I dont think he was suggesting that (being black) as an actual reason (though somebody else mentioned it earlier), more so that it was as meaningless as most of the other reasons, and that for the most part there was no reason for throwing the bottles other than that the people doing it thought it was a bit of craic and didn't particularly give a **** about the thought of hurting somebody especially when that somebody was a performer that they had no interest in seeing.

    And two thumbs up to Kurt for trying but failing to have sex with a retarded girl. As a fan of Nirvana, i'd still love to see him alive and well and playing Reading, I wouldn't be ****ing bottles at him, that's for sure.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Toast


    As I said in the thread linked above ... I was at Reading this year and there was talk online about what sort of reception 50cent was going to get for weeks in advance as well as all through the weekend at the festival.

    He knew hed be bottled by being there, the promoters knew hed be bottled and the crowd knew that they "should" bottle.

    He Knew: 50s crew brought their own bottles for the purpose of bottling the crowd (you can see them throwing them at the start in the video). Two days before he had got the same reception in Leeds however he was able to sway the crowd and complete his set.

    They Knew: If you read the Reading program there is excessive mention to bottling of past acts made and its dubbed "a Reading tradition". The promoters knew full well what was going to happen.

    We Knew: 50 Cent had overreacted to being bottled in a gig before Reading and Reading had a tradition of bottling. It doesnt take a genuis to stick those pieces of information together and come up with "lets bottle 50cent". Check the dates on this thead and the articles linked http://www.efestivals.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=29787&hl=how+long+will+he+last

    I find people who throw bottles to be idiotic but to expect a festival crowd not to rise to such bait and to effectively challenge them by showing up when the crowd knew what was "expected" of them is also idiotic. As such I had no qualms to laugh at what was a truly funny moment.


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