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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭StickyMcGinty


    i gave blood when the roadshow pulled up in dunshaughlin...

    but i've one gripe.

    They never sent me out that letter with my blood type on it, and they have me registered as Ms. Vincent Lawlor.

    and they're in the medical profession? i'm damn sure i ticked the male box!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 485 ✭✭tapest


    Tyrrial wrote:
    I've given blood about 6 or 7 times by now, and pretty much only because i get free guinness afterwards... oh and to help my fellow man.
    Im Type o Negative
    just like the band.


    Hey Tyrrial...Type o neg...You know what that makes you ?

    t


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,926 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Tusky wrote:
    Does it matter if you...partake in certain illegal substances ? does that make your blood crappy ?
    Do you think if a doctor gives someone codeine that they want that does upped with some heroin?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    Victor wrote:
    Do you think if a doctor gives someone codeine that they want that does upped with some heroin?
    There are questions on the form about injected drugs. To me at least that means they don't care what you smoked.
    :D
    (They've never sent any of mine back anyhow)
    Zhane wrote:
    apparently im not allowed to give blood cos im gay...
    Yeah, they are a bit on the restrictive side about who can donate, while at the same time complaining about there not being enough doners.

    As a state organization, they have to be way over-cautious or they would end up in another tribunal. This is Ireland after all, there are plenty of peasants & drones who would go ballistic if they knew the blood they got could have come from someone of such persuasion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    pork99 wrote:
    You would think with advances in biotechnology and genetic engineering over the last few years they would be able to make blood in a lab? They could manufacture as much as needed and it would be much safer - no contamination with AIDs, hepatitis etc

    They can, the blood plasma that's in the bags of blood at the blood bank is synthetic, they just use your red and white platelets.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭pork99


    eth0_ wrote:
    They can, the blood plasma that's in the bags of blood at the blood bank is synthetic, they just use your red and white platelets.

    Interesting

    Is anyone researching a means of making platelets I wonder?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,000 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    The restrictions are crazy in fairness. Not accepting blood donations from gay men is blatent discrimination. Assuming it stems from gay men being a higher risk category for AIDS/HIV due to their sexual practices, why is there no bar on women who have indulged in anal sex? Same activity, exact same risk level.

    Also, why can't they just accept the donations, place them in the fridge while a sample of the donation is checked for the various different things that can contaminate it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,746 ✭✭✭pork99


    Sleepy wrote:
    Also, why can't they just accept the donations, place them in the fridge while a sample of the donation is checked for the various different things that can contaminate it?

    That protects us against known contaminants.

    I know it's improbable but what if there is a new virus, even deadlier than AIDs, which let's say infects middle class white men in their 40s and 50s - (maybe something they catch on golf courses :D ) which takes another couple of years to present itself and therefore there would be no test for it? The prohibition on gays would look a bit silly then wouldn't it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    Sleepy wrote:
    The restrictions are crazy in fairness. Not accepting blood donations from gay men is blatent discrimination. Assuming it stems from gay men being a higher risk category for AIDS/HIV due to their sexual practices, why is there no bar on women who have indulged in anal sex? Same activity, exact same risk level.

    It *is* discrimination. HETEROSEXUALS have a higher rate of HIV infection than homosexuals!

    You can't ever give blood here if you've had sex with an African is another ridiculous rule. I'm assuming all blood donations are _screened_ for diseases and virii, otherwise what's to stop gay Africans who lived in the UK during the 80's and 90's who've just recently gotten a tattoo from giving blood?

    We really do have *ridiculous* rules for giving blood in this country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,779 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    I gave blood 2 or 3 time a year at home in the north. Can't here.
    wrote:
    You have spent 3 years or more in total in the United Kingdom between 1 January 1980 and 31 December 1996 (this is to protect against any risk of vCJD transmission via blood). The United Kingdom includes England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, the Channel Islands and the Isle of Man.

    I love this one. Do they not trust their own procedures?
    wrote:
    You have received a blood transfusion in the Republic of Ireland since 1 January 1980.

    Does this include if you are in hospital?
    wrote:
    You have ever used a needle to take drugs of any kind

    They should stop bitching about shortages of blood. It seems to be their own fault. It seems like an over correction to compensate for the balls up they made with hep.

    MrP


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭Tommy Vercetti


    I gave blood about six months ago but they never sent me out one of those cards that make me feel good about myself. I was mad into the hot Spanish nurses they had floating around looking after the donors though, I almost touched her sweet bum during a dizzy spell.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    MrPudding wrote:
    It seems like an over correction to compensate for the balls up they made with hep.
    Yep.

    Apparently there is a 2 week window where HIV is contagious but not detectable in the blood (by the blood banks test anyway). The typical Irish beauracracy answer is to stop gays from donating.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    Yes I just realised this last night, but as I said before, what is to STOP someone with HIV from donating blood? Donated blood has a shelf life of only a few days, and HIV can't be detected for a few weeks under normal tests.

    An unsettling thought, isn't it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭Civilian_Target


    First things first: If you've smoked any dope in the week or so before the test, they'll find it in your blood, and they won't take it. Happened to a friend in Belfast. After all, you can't have patients waking up stoned in hospital :)

    Then: The reason they refuse so many people from donating is because of the HIV scandal. They could put in better screening, but they don't have the money so they just turn people away. It's 6 of one, half dozen of the other really. If they take everyone, they overstretch themselves and risk saving someone's life with a pint of blood and giving them HIV at the same time. If they take less people, then they don't have enough blood, but at least it keeps them out of the media.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,058 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    First things first: If you've smoked any dope in the week or so before the test, they'll find it in your blood, and they won't take it. Happened to a friend in Belfast. After all, you can't have patients waking up stoned in hospital :)
    I can personally definitively refute that claim.
    :D

    As for waking up stoned - Thats the best thing that could possibly happen. They should be grateful for getting painkiller-enhanced blood.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 290 ✭✭CareBear


    I would never give blood. I've got the lowest pain threshold ever. Saw my friend takin her blood sugar level and I blackout for a while. horrible experience. If it was an emergency I would but otherwise no way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭Civilian_Target


    Well, yesterday on my way home, I decided to actually go into the blood clinic in Dolier Street rather than walk past it like I usually do, and give blood for the first time (I had no plans for the evening and basicly thought, "why the hell not"). So, for all you newbies (now that I'm no longer amongst you :) ), heres exactly what happens.

    Walk in, sit down at a desk, woman takes your name and dob, and then says "You haven't been here before, have you?". Once this is established, she hands you a form, which you fill in at a seat and leave in a box, this takes about 10 mins, covers all the obvious questions along with some innocent sounding ones like "Have you spent more than 3 years in the UK since 1980?" or "Have you done coke in the past year?"

    Then you are called in to be interviewed by a nurse who asks you a bit about your medical history, as well as asking you things like "Have you ever had anal or oral sex from another man?" with an alarmingly straight face.

    Next thing, you get sent up to the iron tester, who basicly says that he's going to test your iron level, and puts your hand on a red pad on the desk, thats wired up to a little red machine. He tells you that this is an iron tester and that it'll test your blood to see that you're not anaemic and stuff, is that OK? You say yes, he says "Hang on a second, and your iron count should appear on the machine" and as soon as you look away he touches your finger with a little pen that takes a sample of your blood, with a feeling not unlike being pinched. It made me jump and he laughed and said "Hey, had to get your blood somehow, don't worry, the worst part of your entire time here is over". He looked at my iron count and asked if I'd had dinner. I hadn't, and he knew it, so he pulled out a Mars bar and a carton of orange and said "Eat these or get some free food from the canteen, and then we'll take your blood." I duly ate them, and then he sent me into the donation room, full of chairs not entirely unlike lazy boys.

    You sit down, and a band is put around your arm, and you're given a squeezy toy. You lie back, and a nurse chats to you for a minute while she monitors you blood presusre and stuff, with a machine that goes ping. Then a doctor comes over and says that they're now ready to take your blood, that they're going to put the needle in now. She then took one look at my arm and said "You work with computers, don't you?" I said yes, she replyed "You can always tell by the arms, the keyboard side veins are usually practicly invisible and very hard to reach, hopefully this won't hurt a bit". She stuck the needle in, and missed the vein. Again, felt like a fairly hard pinch. She apologised, and said they'd give it another go if that was OK with me. I agreed, and she hit it the second time, and it was virtually painless.

    The doctor moved on, and the nurse kept chatting, reminding me every so often to squeeze the bone toy I had in my hand. 15 mins later it was all done, they stuck a plaster on, and I was left to rest for a few minutes, feeling a bit dozy, but no more than that, before going the canteen, where they supplied me with sandwitches, chocolate, crisps and orange, all free. Jokingly I said to the woman at the counter "Don't you serve Guinness any more?" "Only to those who ask for it." she replied, pulling a bottle of Guinness out from under the counter. I ate and drank my fill, pretty slowly because the arm the needle had been in was quite stiff, and felt the drowiness lift. In 15 mins I was as right as rain, apart from a stiff left arm, and I continued on my merry way.

    Overall, a pretty good experience, surprisingly relaxing and enjoyable, fairly little pain (just 2 pinches, and 15 minutes of an uncomfortable tickling sensation in your arm), a stiff arm for the evening, with free food, drink and friendly company. I'll be donating again in a few months time I think :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    First things first: If you've smoked any dope in the week or so before the test, they'll find it in your blood, and they won't take it. Happened to a friend in Belfast. After all, you can't have patients waking up stoned in hospital :)

    Oh my god that's such a load of rubbish :) The only drugs they're worried about really are intravenous (like heroin) or intranasal (like coke) drugs, as you can catch HIV from the process of taking these.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 25,000 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    eth0_ wrote:
    It *is* discrimination. HETEROSEXUALS have a higher rate of HIV infection than homosexuals!

    You can't ever give blood here if you've had sex with an African is another ridiculous rule. I'm assuming all blood donations are _screened_ for diseases and virii, otherwise what's to stop gay Africans who lived in the UK during the 80's and 90's who've just recently gotten a tattoo from giving blood?

    We really do have *ridiculous* rules for giving blood in this country.
    It's insanity. Nonetheless, given that I meet their criteria I've booked myself into the clinic in Stillorgan tonight for the first time.

    And by the way, what's to just stop people from lying on their donation forms? Surely if the African guy you talk about was to go in and point blank lie on the forms they'd still take his blood?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,215 ✭✭✭FX Meister


    How do you get HIV from taking coke?
    eth0_ wrote:
    Oh my god that's such a load of rubbish :) The only drugs they're worried about really are intravenous (like heroin) or intranasal (like coke) drugs, as you can catch HIV from the process of taking these.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    You're taking coke with a friend/aquantance. They hand you a rolled up note that's just been up their nose, and as often happens, their nose has bled a bit onto the note. You then snort, and the virus is passed on.

    It's actually a very real possibility, google it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭Wacker


    I gave blood a few months ago. I got none of the expected dizziness or anything. I felt fine afterwards. On the other hand, I didn't get a warm 'good citizen' feelig either. I will give again though. Maybe tomorrow.......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,518 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    I used to give blood regularly as an undergraduate, and then when they tightened up the rules, they refused to accept my blood anymore. I had heart surgery when I was 10, and there is a risk that I will contract septicemia(?) or something similar from the needle. it's really annoying, my blood is fine but they won't take it!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭Civilian_Target


    Grandpa was the same. He was one of the first people to hold a gold pelican, but then they wouldn't take his blood from about 1980 on, when the realised he'd had jaundice during the war.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,215 ✭✭✭FX Meister


    Cool no worries, I believe you. Hadn't given it much thought though I must say. But I always use my own rolled €500 note anyway
    eth0_ wrote:
    You're taking coke with a friend/aquantance. They hand you a rolled up note that's just been up their nose, and as often happens, their nose has bled a bit onto the note. You then snort, and the virus is passed on.

    It's actually a very real possibility, google it.


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