Asus AX800 XT vs Asus V9999 Ultra

Well for starters I wouldn't go asus. Seriously overpriced all the time for a card that perfroms the same.

Both cards have a lot to offer. You can't really go wrong with either. They are pretty evenly matched although the 6800's have sm3 which will be put to use in the near future.

The driver set for the 6800's is still in the beta stages as well so they will improve a lot over the next few months. The x800xt's handle AA and AF better at high resolutions but the 6800's are not far behind. Opengl performance with the Nvidia cards is a lot better than with Ati. The Doom3 benchmarks demonstrate this well.

I'm still undecided on which to go for so i'm waiting another month or two. That's how close it is but the 6800's do seem to be improving more and i'd be edging towards the 6800 ultra.

HIS make great x800xt's. Better and cheaper than the Asus model. Look at the HIS Artic model.

You could also get a 6800gt and overclock it to ultra speeds. The vast majority of them will.

-edit- the 6800's only use slightly more power than an x800 which is only slightly more than a 9800xt. A lot of the models have one molex.


BloodBath

The x800pro's only have 12 pipelines. 4 of them have been severed but on some models they can be reconected with some conductive paint.

This is not guarenteed and is a tricky job as the area is tiny.

The 6800gt's have all 16 pipelines intact so it's just a case of raising the core and memory speeds and from the tests i've seen they will reach ultra speeds and higher. Of course every card is different but most of them will reach at least ultra speeds. The 6800gt is definetley a better card than the x800pro.

Having an Asus card I would disagree with bloodbath to a point. Normally there more expensive but usually they preform marginally better at stock speeds. The real price hike with asus comes with the huge amount of software they throw in with. Having a an asus card myself its good quality but I don't use the extra software so I can't really claim ther the most cost effective by for me. A good brand just a tad expensive.

You prove my point exactly. They come bundled with a load of software that you don't use. The margainal performance difference is what? . There should be no difference unless some of them are using crap memory. The cores are identical. 100 euro more for a the same card is overpriced when manufacturers like Sapphire and HIS offer quality products for a lot less.

Here are some benchmarks comparing 3 manufactueres including Asus.

http://www.bit-tech.net/review/325/6

If you go through the next few pages you will see that all the cards perform identically.

So a x800 will rock at Half Life 2 while a 6800 ultra will be awesome for doom III

There have been no benchmarks for HL2 yet so we don't know. Supposedly the ati's perfrom reasonably better but we will have to wait until some public benchmarks are done.





BloodBath

.ak i will give you some ''real results'' from games this week when i get my 6800ultra,Regarding the power issue for the 6800,they recommend a 400W psu,I would be surprised if anyone had lower than that in a good spec pc atm.:rolleyes:

Both cards according to benchmarks are fantastic,the differance is only a few frames in most cases...you wont de disappointed whatever one you get.

CC

Woah calm down there Azza.

Right it's not 100 euro, they are actually more competitively priced than they used to be.

I remember when I was ordering my 9800xt that the asus model was nearly 100 euro more. It's about 60 now between them and the cheaper models like Sapphire who make some of the best cards.

Ati own the company Sapphire. Sapphire makes ati's own cards as well as their Sapphire brand and powercolors cards too.


BloodBath

I must say I think your anti-Asus ranting here is unwarranted too Bloodbath. Asus make quality parts and just cos Asus costs a bit more than the cheaper brands doesn't mean you aren't getting value for your money.

I've an x800 xt pe, and can play far cry @1600x1200 4aa + 8af with 40fps average. UT2004 with 1600x1200 4aa + 8af 80fps average. Image quality is amazing with the ati. You're getting value for money right off the bat, the improvement in current games is phenomenal. And this card can only grow stronger because it's cpu limited.

Time will tell how ati do with doom3, but I'm not going to be quaking in my boots. If counterstrike is your thing, then strongly consider an x800. CS-Source will be out shortly after HL2, which is meant to be debuting just as doom3 hits the retail market.

Benchmarks wise I get 12000 with a 2.5Ghz barton (3dmark03). 21700 ish with 3dmark01. Paired with an A64 it will really fly.

If noise is one of your pet hates, then the x800 is your friend. It's a lot more quiet than the ultra, which can be categorised as a jumbo taking off. Also the asus has a single slot cooling solution for the ultra which is really not enough, thus limited overclocks. It has a higher idle and load temperature when compared to dual slot cooling solutions from other manufacturers. Don't be seduced by the blue leds.

Originally posted by jesus_thats_gre
Unless he provided benchmarks to back up his argument.. Woops he did.... :dunno:

Originally posted by unkel
Eh? I don't see any ranting here and it looks to me that Bloodbath has put in some sound and well researched comments in this thread

By HERE I mean the boards not this thread alone. This is not the first thread I have seen where Bloodbath has been slagging off Asus' pricing, which as far as I'm concerned is ranting. Here for example is another thread since you are sooo into hard evidence:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=175511&perpage=20&pagenumber=2

Also I don't see how you think that a benchmark proves the basic argument made that the Asus card is €100 dearer than other brands(which is what I am criticising, in case you didn't understand:rolleyes: ), when a visit to a page such as this page on Komplett shows plainly that this is not the case. That makes about as much sense as prooving how much a motor car costs by showing its 0-60 time against that of another car. How would you mind telling me can you call that a "sound and well researched comment"??? And just for the record I have an MSI graphics card but that doesn't mean I will slag other brands of graphic card.

Yes but did you not get your sapphaire card at on a special offer. How much is your card new now anyway?. The gap at the time of your purchase was on average around €50 euro dearer than sapphaires equivelent.

No I didn't get it on special offer. When I ordered it was 420 euro from Jes-computer. The Asus model at the time was just over 500.

I'm not against sapphire in anyway but reviews I have seen show them down towards the bottom in performance and benchmarking (still very small gap) the preformance between various manufacturers is like 1%. There still excellent cards the sapphaires but there not the best in performance but there excellent value.

This is the whole point of my thread. The view from many people that manufacturers like Sapphire are inferior to Asus. There is no performance difference. Get over it. Any 1% difference can be put down to margain of error as no benchmark score or frame rates will be identical every time.

I must say I think your anti-Asus ranting here is unwarranted too Bloodbath. Asus make quality parts and just cos Asus costs a bit more than the cheaper brands doesn't mean you aren't getting value for your money.

Your missing the point. I never said Asus were not a good manufacturer. I said they were overpriced. I don't want a load of crap software that I will never use. All I want is the card. I'd buy a lite card normally but the 9800xt had a HL2 voucher so that's the only reason I went with retail.

By HERE I mean the boards not this thread alone. This is not the first thread I have seen where Bloodbath has been slagging off Asus' pricing, which as far as I'm concerned is ranting. Here for example is another thread since you are sooo into hard evidence:

I'm entitled to my opinion. They are overpriced for a product that performs the same.

Also I don't see how you think that a benchmark proves the basic argument made that the Asus card is €100 dearer than other brands(which is what I am criticising, in case you didn't understand ), when a visit to a page such as this page on Komplett shows plainly that this is not the case.

Eh I think I already covered that in a previous post but it's still 70 euro difference between the Sapphire pro and the Asus pro. The cards cost a **** load already. I know i'd sooner save that money for something else.

Whopps whats this the Asus X800 Pro is now €20-30 cheaper than sapphaires equivelent at overclock.co.uk

I looked at the site and the Sapphires were cheaper. Kompletts prices are cheaper overall so why buy from there unless stock is a problem.

So the price difference is 70 euro on the pro's and 30 euro on the xt's.

BloodBath