Are we powerless? (club refusal)

Caesar_Bojangle · 30-05-2004 03:05PM

another thing on discrimination. As I said, My friend was told not to wear runners and I said "are you telling me nobody in there has runners on" he paused and answered "they are regulars" going by the same aspects of the age (everyone has to be over the age they state, same rule applies to all) if there are people wearing runners inside and that's why they are refusing you entry, is that classed as discrimination also? Surely it is. Great, have some good arguments for future circumstances so. Thanks for the references and tips!

I remember last year a guy was awarded e2000 or more, somewhere in Ireland for not been allowed into a night club because he was wearing sandals. He argued that he was dressed appropriately and it was discrimination as women were allowed in wearing stilettos and similar shoes, which exposed their feet to the same or greater extent of his sandals. The judge agreed and compensated him.

cormie · 30-05-2004 03:07PM

go judge!! hehe. So they are DEFINITELY allowed to choose who can wear runners and who cant?

Caesar_Bojangle · 30-05-2004 03:17PM

I honestly don't know. I've often worn runners out to nightclubs and the bouncer would say something like "runners aren't allowed but I'll let you in this time. Next time please wear shoes" I'd agree with him and go down the next week in a pair of runners and the cycle just repeats itself.

talking_walnut · 30-05-2004 04:35PM

I wasnt complaining about the "no taking photos of the bar/ staff" thing, I was just wondering if anyone else had ever experienced it. Pictures anywhere else in the club were fine.

I remember last year a guy was awarded e2000 or more, somewhere in Ireland for not been allowed into a night club because he was wearing sandals. He argued that he was dressed appropriately and it was discrimination as women were allowed in wearing stilettos and similar shoes, which exposed their feet to the same or greater extent of his sandals. The judge agreed and compensated him.

Ya I remember that case. From what I remember about it, the reason the judge rulled in his favour was because although the guy in question hadn't been allowed in wearing his sandals, the bouncers had admitted loads of girls the same night who were wearing them. Sexual discrimination basically.

i know i am only messing as it is a confusing way to word a document

Thats why them lawyer people get payed the big bucks:D

StickyMcGinty · 31-05-2004 12:33AM

does anyone think that they are gonna have a rational discussion with a bouncer and change his mind?

no chance.

jaggeh · 31-05-2004 01:58AM

go dressed as a woman

thats a whole new can of worms for the bouncer right there.

cormie · 31-05-2004 12:13PM

I've been let in after being refused a few times. Regarding runners, it was actually a sympathetic approach from them to me, I was going in with my friends and they said no runners and I was like ok and just said see ya later to my mates and then the bouncer just asked where I was coming from and then he said go on, just please where shoes next time.

garyc · 08-06-2004 02:33PM

ye anybody ever visit the Playhouse in Tallaght? They are without doubt the worst set of bouncers in Ireland its very hard to get in there. But Level 4 is easier to get in, cheaper and way more fun.

Also boomerangs in town thats a **** to get in.

radiospan · 08-06-2004 03:15PM

Originally posted by cormie
I've been let in after being refused a few times. Regarding runners, it was actually a sympathetic approach from them to me, I was going in with my friends and they said no runners and I was like ok and just said see ya later to my mates and then the bouncer just asked where I was coming from and then he said go on, just please where shoes next time.

Yes. One time I was refused on the ground of the place being "over 21's". I was on my own trying to get in, and I explained to the bouncer for a while that I was with a staff party (which I was), and I knew that there were people of my age (19) inside.

He changed his mind and left me in after I told him that, but he said that the bar was over 21's.

endanagle · 08-06-2004 03:34PM

afaik, you can be refused entry to a pub on the basis of age. once you're over 18 you're legally 'allowed' to consume alcohol on a licenced premises or elsewhere.

all pubs are 'over 18s' unless the have a sign up saying that the pub is for patrons over, say 23. but if this is the case, then it has to be across the board and none of the patrons can be between 18-23. if they are, then its discrimication. you can be refused entry to a pub on the basis of dress (neat dress) or being too drunk etc, but not on the basis of gender, sexual orientation, number in group, or age (except in the case outlined above) - pubs are 'public houses' so cannot be regulars only etc...

clubs are a different story though.

a club has a licence to operate as a 'members club' to which it can admit pretty much whoever they want. because of this member status, they can refuse entry to people based on dress code, alcohol consumed etc. they cannot, however 'discriminate' against people.

that said, in my opinion most clubs bouncers are complete **** on power trips. i said MOST! I have to say that I have met some really nice, courteous 'security' who operate very professionally.

again a case where many are ok, just couldn't be bothered going to the places with the **** any more... plenty of other places where i can enjoy a pint in peace!

my 2c

HelterSkelter · 08-06-2004 04:02PM

Originally posted by subway_ie
I'm fairly sure they don't need a sign - they just need to apply the same rule to everybody. Ie, everybody has to be over 21, etc. - not just the people they don't want to let in.

You are wrong, if they have an age policy it has to be on a sign in a place where everyone can see it.

BUMP! · 08-06-2004 04:52PM

Situation was that it used to be absolutely illegal to make a club over 21's, over 25's, etc. That equality bill was supposedly watered down a bit (although I dont remember if it actually was) to the point where under certain circumstances you could have the over 21's , 25's etc. The only condition is that there has to be a clear notice of policy OUTSIDE the premises so that people are not discriminated against.
Lets face it - anytime the govt does something right they always correct it to scr£w you...

chrismon · 08-06-2004 09:24PM

i get way to much of this,
the worst was on my 18th birthday. i went up to the club with my passport and full drivers liscense and my age card reciept. he asked my for id,i gave him the passport,he said do u have an age card,i said i applied for it today,heres my receipt. and his reply was "what the **** do u want me to do with this,**** off to the other club up the road. get out of my face" i got offended by this asked what the problem with my passport was when he someone in with a provisional liscense,then he just said **** off. i got in a few times after this(bout 2 months after that incident) but on sat nite another bouncer in the same club wudnt let me in because i was drunk? i hadnt been drinking yet and tried to assure him,but he just said, "mabey ill let u in another nite"

:dunno: :dunno:

Are we powerless? (club refusal)

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