The music Industry Decline and a working solution

pork99 · 17-05-2004 05:58PM

Originally posted by Civilian_Target
www.audiolunchbox.com

Artists can get their tracks listed, and if you buy stuff from them, 70% goes to the artist.

It's $10 per album, which works out at about €8.50 these days, and the tracks come as MP3s or OGGs, so theres no DRM.

Very interesting, thank you.

DEmeant0r · 31-05-2004 12:44AM

Dangerman, interested to know what you got for you project grade-wise.

dangerman · 31-05-2004 05:23AM

78% - 3rd or 4th highest mark in the class i think, highest was 84% i still wonder if that was the right mark for it. Why do you want to know?

And if you've read it...what did u think of it? you can be as brutal as you like if you don't think it deserved that mark. [i still wonder if it did.]

oh and if ur wondering if its good enough to plagerise, well...

Civilian_Target · 31-05-2004 11:45AM

Where can we read it?

Mr E · 31-05-2004 11:52AM

Originally posted by Civilian_Target
www.audiolunchbox.com

Artists can get their tracks listed, and if you buy stuff from them, 70% goes to the artist.

It's $10 per album, which works out at about €8.50 these days, and the tracks come as MP3s or OGGs, so theres no DRM.

Great link.... downloading Jesse Malin's new album now...

(Albums are $7.99 until the end of the day tomorrow...)

- Dave.

dangerman · 31-05-2004 02:41PM

Originally posted by Civilian_Target
Where can we read it?

http://www.tcal.net/project/

Civilian_Target · 31-05-2004 03:17PM

Originally posted by TmB
Great link.... downloading Jesse Malin's new album now...

(Albums are $7.99 until the end of the day tomorrow...)

- Dave.

SCORE! Just got myself a 100% legal edition of Blackout by the Dropkick Murphys

Civilian_Target · 31-05-2004 03:46PM

My purchasing aside, that papers good. The aspect you left out though, that I would have thought to be an obvious inclusion is the Video Games industry.

Since the day it was born, PC Games have been easy to copy. You could copy games on floppy disk, you can copy games on CD and now that games come on DVD you'll be able to copy them too. Whats more, there is no firm and rigid, unbroken anti-copying mechanism on games and many companies (notably ID software) don't even try. Yet the industy continues to flourish. Why?

First, people want a product they can hold, a box and a manual, which is why vinyl and games still sell today, and why CDs will continue to sell.

Secondly, people feel good about buying a legal copy. There really was no need for me to get a legal copy of AC/DC's back in black last week, I copied it illegally a year ago, but its a really good album. When I'm old, I want to be able to put it in my retro CD player and remember it, long after my hard disk is gone. And as it hisses and clicks along, it'll be please with my purchase.

And finally support. Games won't be developed if no one buys them. But people want games and we continue to go out and support good games by buying them. The makers of Half-Life and Max Payne deserved to be millionaires, and the games-buying populace made it so. And it should continue that way.

The music industry will only die on the day that artists start distribting their own CDs and writing their own press. We can only hope that day is soon.

*EDIT* Glad you drew the same conclusion, but I'm still not so sure about people unwillingness to submit. Remember, Hitler was elected, so there's no reason why other stupid things can't happen.

dangerman · 31-05-2004 04:11PM

My purchasing aside, that papers good. The aspect you left out though, that I would have thought to be an obvious inclusion is the Video Games industry.

Right ok, valid point. But let me explain why i left it out.

Games I think will become less and less a target over the next while. Mainly because of the move to steam like systems + pure online multiplayer games. It *is* a lot of hassle to try and get a cd key say for BF:Vietnam or some such with the master server/cd key setup - it cuts out a significant portion of piracy. (and by cutting out, i mean the casual user, who discovers that it's not just a quick hack off the net, is then resigned to buying it. There will *always* be hardcore pirates who will go to extreme lengths - ala the script kiddies fighting for popularity by coding more extreme hacks and carrying out more extreme internet & viral attacks)

Software in general in the future will be less prone to piracy than music/movies because of the 'value-add' aspects of it - updates for software, tech support - patches for games ... things that require legal copies to work...

So, intantigble digital goods; music & movies are i think more open to continued and high levels of piracy - all they are is audio/visual files and as such if the drm is hacked once & removed then off they go onto the internet for free distribution. But with software, you've got consistant and frequent remote-attestation style protection, with the software regularly communicating with servers - the 'hack once distribute anywhere' chain is broken - because if it's hacked so it communicates ok with the server, then the server will soon be updated (think PunkBuster) and that hacked copy will break again.

...Hence DRM tech trying to put that kind of technology into audio & visual files ala iTunes, Windows Media 9 files etc.

i'm not really talking about the situation now, i'm talking about it in the future...with the advent of longhorn and tcpa etc. this kind of thing will reach a head.

The main reason for it's possible success is the fact that all the tech is going to creep onto people's desktops. - One day soon daddy will bring home the new dell and it will be doing all this horrible big brothery type stuff.

The answer? Go linux, open source etc and read up on your right to privacy stuff. While obviously piracy is a bad thing, i think so is a computer that is not your own, its constantly checking you have the 'right' to do what you are doing. - the right to open that file, the right to view this web site etc. etc. First, terrible neo-nazi sites and child porn sites will be auto blocked by government/corporations. then, ever so slowly...extreme political parties sites would be blocked (terrorists! incitement of hatred!) ...and ever so slowly... the internet becomes a controlled medium, and outside sources are controlling what you want to see.

Far fetched, doomsday george orwell dangerman ranting indeed. But is it really that hard to think of?

DEmeant0r · 31-05-2004 04:38PM

Originally posted by dangerman
78% - 3rd or 4th highest mark in the class i think, highest was 84% i still wonder if that was the right mark for it. Why do you want to know?

And if you've read it...what did u think of it? you can be as brutal as you like if you don't think it deserved that mark. [i still wonder if it did.]

oh and if ur wondering if its good enough to plagerise, well...

Haven't started to read it yet, studying for the LC. I'll tell you what I think of it after I do the LC. Asked because I'm nosy

The music Industry Decline and a working solution

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