Eircom announce 33k Speed On Their Analogue Lines

spongebob · 27-05-2004 10:10AM #1

.....but ya gotta take their one way sat product to get it

http://mmm.eircom.ie/press/PressRelease_Target.asp?id=366&y=2004

What does Comreg have to say about all this one wonders ?

M

Our man in Havana · 27-05-2004 10:16AM

What a sack of Sh1t!

€423 for install, €40 a month BB and you must get a flat rate package as well. €30! and you cant use it 24/7 and it ties of the phone line!

You must be joking €ircon!

Iago · 27-05-2004 10:18AM

€423 connection fee for residential users???

can't see too many customers forking that out, seems like a publicity stunt "Eircom announce 100% broadband coverage"

it'll sound good at thier shareholders meeting anyway

RicardoSmith · 27-05-2004 10:22AM

...Broadband will suit customers who are currently unable to avail of our DSL Broadband products. With this new range of products, customers are no longer restricted by being in remote location or because they’re over a certain distance from the local telephone exchange...

How about you can't get it because Eircom can't fix their own telephone lines?

Cabaal · 27-05-2004 10:28AM

Originally posted by Iago
€423 connection fee for residential users???

can't see too many customers forking that out, seems like a publicity stunt "Eircom announce 100% broadband coverage"

Agreed on both counts, all very dodgy if you ask me
:dunno:

Scruff · 27-05-2004 10:47AM

Wow! i'm impressed, i think i'd get that product seeing as how i cant get broadband cause i live in a remote area of south county dublin called Blackrock.

while the upload speeds are based on the customer’s existing telephone line i.e. PSTN (33k)

actually on 2nd thoughts i wont cause i can only connect over PSTN at 28.8k....
€ircon bastards!

dahamsta · 27-05-2004 10:53AM

Originally posted by Iago
seems like a publicity stunt "Eircom announce 100% broadband coverage"

Well, it is the first line in the press release. Which is about as far as most Irish journalists will get before writing their pieces.

adam

Ronan|Raven · 27-05-2004 10:56AM

I remember reading this on a satellite forum I use. Some pimp from mediasat was telling everyone how great it is. He even went as far as to say eircom wont upgrade any more exchanges as this is where its at! I did chuckle. Also the sheer price to install sat solutions is a complete rip off imho.

spongebob · 27-05-2004 11:18AM

No self install option available either despite the number of persons all over Ireland who know where to find the Astra Sat ...... where did this pimping take place Ronan ?Was it Digital Spy ? . Nice to see they wouldn't dare try it on here.

I think the takeup will drop considerably once people do some research on some of the stream hacking DLL's that can be attached to any DVB-S card and realise that their information is being Broadcast off the Astra Sat to the whole of the UK and Ireland, unencrypted much of the time

Universal BB is one thing but making YOUR BB connection Universally Available To 70 Million People is quite another I should think .

M

MDR · 27-05-2004 11:23AM

Subtle difference between real broadband and satellitel cousin in terms of media coverage. I think this is gonna need a press release to counter it ...

eth0_ · 27-05-2004 11:27AM

Tsk. It's just a re-sell of MediaSat's "dsl" (how can they call satellite, "dsl"?) which we all know is rubbish.

BArra · 27-05-2004 11:37AM

anyone know the download cap situation?

seamus · 27-05-2004 11:42AM

Does this mean that if they claim "100% broadband coverage" and upload at 33k, then they're obliged to repair someone's line who can't get 33k?

Does this imply that they in fact *don't* have 100% coverage yet, since many people's lines aren't capable of support 33k?

spongebob · 27-05-2004 12:08PM

Yes Séamus. If you read the press release from Eircom themselves it appears to be the case........Universal Sat = Universal 33k ...I assume Universal v.34 Bis but not universal v.90 or v.92 which are the 56k standards......if used as the Uplink leg of a One Way VSAT product bought from Eircom.

If used as a modem line ITS PROBABLY STILL 0K but we will see.

M

Ripwave · 27-05-2004 12:35PM

Originally posted by Muck
Universal Sat = Universal 33k ...I assume Universal v.34 Bis but not universal v.90 or v.92 which are the 56k standards......if used as the Uplink leg of a One Way VSAT product bought from Eircom.

V.90 only supports 33.6K uploads.

(V.92 will support up to 48k).

eircomtribunal · 27-05-2004 12:55PM

"Monthly rental starts at €30 (inc. VAT) but the customer needs to add a flat rate internet access product from eircom, ranging from €9.99 (inc. VAT) for off peak users (evenings and weekends) to €29.99 (inc. VAT) for those who want all day internet access."

Nice new definition of Eircom's FRIACO offers:
The €9.99 packet gives you "evenings and weekends".
The €29.99 gives you "all day internet access".

According to Eircom – and soon to be regurgitated by RTE and the likes – Ireland has now not only reached "at least the EU average of broadband access for endusers", as Dermot has asked ComReg to achieve, but with 100% "broadband" coverage, we are surely at the top now.

P.

bealtine · 27-05-2004 01:40PM

http://mmm.eircom.ie/press/PressRelease_Target.asp?id=366&y=2004

if you need a seperate phone line, e.g. billed seperately.

If so that would up the running costs significantly...

VeeEmmy · 27-05-2004 01:41PM

Let's see...

After the €423 connection fee....

€30.00 ....per month ...... satellite-for-download connection
€29.99 ....per month ...... €ircon "flat rate" internet connection for upload (required)
€15.00 ....per month ...... for IDSN so you can use telephone
€74.99 ....per month ...... total for sort of-quasi-nearly-sometimes on broad-ish-band

Great stuff.

I am so impressed (not) .

Now over to the Wireless board to get serious about getting myself out of the clutches of anything related to €ircon internet service!

(I'm not bitter... no really I'm not... really... )

Screaming Wailing Banished-She

spongebob · 27-05-2004 01:46PM

On the €30 a month product the Cap is to be either 800Mb or 1Gb Down (Unlimited Uploads Though

)

Once you reach your monthly CAP You Will Be Cut Off The VSAT For The Rest Of That Month ... but the Flat Rate landline will continue to work.

M

TCP/IP · 27-05-2004 01:50PM

I agree that this is not a very good product but if I did live in the ass end of nowere and no broadband would ever be availiable it would be better than nothing and the price just like when DSL was launched will go down over time.

No before you all go mad i do agree its not great but some people will use it. Also has anybody compared Eircoms price against other 1way and 2way Sat providers

Villain · 27-05-2004 02:06PM

Originally posted by TCP/IP
Also has anybody compared Eircoms price against other 1way and 2way Sat providers

Here:
http://broadband.digiweb.ie/pricing.asp

spongebob · 27-05-2004 03:00PM

Europe On Line is a lot cheaper . €400 gets you

1 Year access pack including DVB card and 80Cm Dish

500Mb D/L
1Gb month .iso s from their cache
1Gb D/L Pack (6 x €30 packs with 2GB each)

You may install yourself or get any sat installer to do it

M

MDR · 27-05-2004 03:12PM

*** START ***

PRESS RELEASE : IRELAND OFFLINE 27/05/04

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

*** Ireland Offline rejects Eircoms assertion that Broadband is now
universal ***
Dublin, Thursday, May 27: Ireland Offline rejects Eircoms assertion
that Broadband is now universal.

Commenting on the announcement, Ireland Offline's Chairman, Christian
Cooke, said, "Eircom is providing this new service using Satellite
Technologies provided in partnership with Mediasat. These technologies
have a limited application in providing internet access to remote
locations". Mr. Cooke added that "although these technologies have a
place in providing internet access to very rural Ireland, it is
worrying that Eircom are using a technology that telco's across the
Western world have universally rejected".

He believes that "Eircom is simply using this as a sound bite in
advance of its upcoming shareholders meeting. It will be able to say at
that meeting that it is investing in developing new sources of revenue,
when in fact Satellite broadband for most people will be unaffordable
and unusable".

Mr. Cooke explained that "the latency involved with Satellite
communications, the time required for the information to be transmitted
from the base station to the Satellite and back down to the reciever,
is so long it makes many of the killer applications associated with
internet such as gaming and Voice over IP unusable".

He finally said that "this is simply a ploy by Eircom to enable it to
announce the provision of universal Broadband without having to invest
in upgrading its network".

Ireland Offline believes that it is now important that the Managed
Services Entity (MSE), the body responsible for the running of the
MANs, should be nominated as soon as possible by the Government and
that the MSE be directed to offer affordable bandwidth to both large
and small operations]. "Only with affordable backhaul will it be
possible for the community networks to be set up," said Mr. Cooke. The
MSE should also, once established, look to acquiring unused fibre, such
as the Western Digital Corridor, and make this available to community
and commercial networks.

*** END ***

ABOUT IRELAND OFFLINE

The Ireland Offline users group, formed in May 2001 in response to
EsatBT's (then Esat Fusion's) decision to cut off 2,000 subscribers of
its "SurfNoLimits" program, has campaigned for affordable flat rate and
high-speed Internet access services for all of Ireland. For more
information, please visit the Ireland Offline website at
http://www.irelandoffline.org or email chairman@irelandoffline.org

sceptre · 27-05-2004 03:22PM

Nice press release Ray and co-conspirators. Knocks in the pertinent points as far as I can see.

RicardoSmith · 27-05-2004 03:37PM

It should also mention the security issues and also why Eircom is unable to resolve line issues even on new lines which prevent many from accessing wired BB solutions.

MDR · 27-05-2004 03:42PM

Its long gone ... I'll put it in the next on ...

Nuphor · 27-05-2004 04:58PM

Originally posted by Muck
Europe On Line is a lot cheaper . €400 gets you

1 Year access pack including DVB card and 80Cm Dish

500Mb D/L
1Gb month .iso s from their cache
1Gb D/L Pack (6 x €30 packs with 2GB each)

You may install yourself or get any sat installer to do it

M

Better still, check out CPSat.co.uk.

dahamsta · 27-05-2004 05:13PM

Originally posted by sceptre
Nice press release Ray and co-conspirators. Knocks in the pertinent points as far as I can see.

Indeed. Good job guys.

adam

watty · 27-05-2004 06:51PM

Sat products are ONLY any use for file downloads. No use for browsing or form filling.

dahamsta · 27-05-2004 08:42PM

http://beecher.ie/pheed/?hzdcgy

Internet lobby group Ireland Offline has said that it rejects Eircom's announcement that its broadband service is universal. Chairman Christian Cooke said that Eircom's new service is based on satellite technologies that have a limited application in providing Internet access to remote locations. "It is worrying that Eircom are using a technology that telcos across the Western world have universally rejected," he said. Time delays on satellite-based broadband systems make many of the "killer" applications associated with the Internet, such as gaming and Voice over IP (VoIP), unusable, he added.

Eurorunner · 28-05-2004 09:38AM

Well done on the press release - its definitely needed to counter this. I wonder to what extent they're going to push this??
I pity the poor individual who hasnt done their homework on what they're signing up to ...ending up with this product.

As has already been pointed out, Europeonline if you must go the satelite route. Their customer service isnt the greatest (although by comparison, it looks a lot more glamourous now:D ) but at €99/year, its not a bad deal.

Eircom announce 33k Speed On Their Analogue Lines

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