Eircom announce 33k Speed On Their Analogue Lines

spongebob

.....but ya gotta take their one way sat product to get it

http://mmm.eircom.ie/press/PressRelease_Target.asp?id=366&y=2004

What does Comreg have to say about all this one wonders ?

M

Our man in Havana

What a sack of Sh1t!

€423 for install, €40 a month BB and you must get a flat rate package as well. €30! and you cant use it 24/7 and it ties of the phone line!

You must be joking €ircon!

Iago

€423 connection fee for residential users???

can't see too many customers forking that out, seems like a publicity stunt "Eircom announce 100% broadband coverage"

it'll sound good at thier shareholders meeting anyway

RicardoSmith

...Broadband will suit customers who are currently unable to avail of our DSL Broadband products. With this new range of products, customers are no longer restricted by being in remote location or because they’re over a certain distance from the local telephone exchange...

How about you can't get it because Eircom can't fix their own telephone lines?

Cabaal

Originally posted by Iago
€423 connection fee for residential users???

can't see too many customers forking that out, seems like a publicity stunt "Eircom announce 100% broadband coverage"

Agreed on both counts, all very dodgy if you ask me
:dunno:

Scruff

Wow! i'm impressed, i think i'd get that product seeing as how i cant get broadband cause i live in a remote area of south county dublin called Blackrock.

while the upload speeds are based on the customer’s existing telephone line i.e. PSTN (33k)

actually on 2nd thoughts i wont cause i can only connect over PSTN at 28.8k....
€ircon bastards!

dahamsta

Originally posted by Iago
seems like a publicity stunt "Eircom announce 100% broadband coverage"

Well, it is the first line in the press release. Which is about as far as most Irish journalists will get before writing their pieces.

adam

Ronan|Raven

I remember reading this on a satellite forum I use. Some pimp from mediasat was telling everyone how great it is. He even went as far as to say eircom wont upgrade any more exchanges as this is where its at! I did chuckle. Also the sheer price to install sat solutions is a complete rip off imho.

spongebob

No self install option available either despite the number of persons all over Ireland who know where to find the Astra Sat ...... where did this pimping take place Ronan ?Was it Digital Spy ? . Nice to see they wouldn't dare try it on here.

I think the takeup will drop considerably once people do some research on some of the stream hacking DLL's that can be attached to any DVB-S card and realise that their information is being Broadcast off the Astra Sat to the whole of the UK and Ireland, unencrypted much of the time

Universal BB is one thing but making YOUR BB connection Universally Available To 70 Million People is quite another I should think .

M

MDR

Subtle difference between real broadband and satellitel cousin in terms of media coverage. I think this is gonna need a press release to counter it ...

eth0_

Tsk. It's just a re-sell of MediaSat's "dsl" (how can they call satellite, "dsl"?) which we all know is rubbish.

BArra

anyone know the download cap situation?

seamus

Does this mean that if they claim "100% broadband coverage" and upload at 33k, then they're obliged to repair someone's line who can't get 33k?

Does this imply that they in fact *don't* have 100% coverage yet, since many people's lines aren't capable of support 33k?

spongebob

Yes Séamus. If you read the press release from Eircom themselves it appears to be the case........Universal Sat = Universal 33k ...I assume Universal v.34 Bis but not universal v.90 or v.92 which are the 56k standards......if used as the Uplink leg of a One Way VSAT product bought from Eircom.

If used as a modem line ITS PROBABLY STILL 0K but we will see.

M

Ripwave

Originally posted by Muck
Universal Sat = Universal 33k ...I assume Universal v.34 Bis but not universal v.90 or v.92 which are the 56k standards......if used as the Uplink leg of a One Way VSAT product bought from Eircom.

V.90 only supports 33.6K uploads.

(V.92 will support up to 48k).

eircomtribunal

"Monthly rental starts at €30 (inc. VAT) but the customer needs to add a flat rate internet access product from eircom, ranging from €9.99 (inc. VAT) for off peak users (evenings and weekends) to €29.99 (inc. VAT) for those who want all day internet access."

Nice new definition of Eircom's FRIACO offers:
The €9.99 packet gives you "evenings and weekends".
The €29.99 gives you "all day internet access".

According to Eircom – and soon to be regurgitated by RTE and the likes – Ireland has now not only reached "at least the EU average of broadband access for endusers", as Dermot has asked ComReg to achieve, but with 100% "broadband" coverage, we are surely at the top now.

P.

bealtine

http://mmm.eircom.ie/press/PressRelease_Target.asp?id=366&y=2004

if you need a seperate phone line, e.g. billed seperately.

If so that would up the running costs significantly...

VeeEmmy

Let's see...

After the €423 connection fee....

€30.00 ....per month ...... satellite-for-download connection
€29.99 ....per month ...... €ircon "flat rate" internet connection for upload (required)
€15.00 ....per month ...... for IDSN so you can use telephone
€74.99 ....per month ...... total for sort of-quasi-nearly-sometimes on broad-ish-band

Great stuff.

I am so impressed (not) .

Now over to the Wireless board to get serious about getting myself out of the clutches of anything related to €ircon internet service!

(I'm not bitter... no really I'm not... really... )

Screaming Wailing Banished-She

spongebob

On the €30 a month product the Cap is to be either 800Mb or 1Gb Down (Unlimited Uploads Though )

Once you reach your monthly CAP You Will Be Cut Off The VSAT For The Rest Of That Month ... but the Flat Rate landline will continue to work.

M

TCP/IP

I agree that this is not a very good product but if I did live in the ass end of nowere and no broadband would ever be availiable it would be better than nothing and the price just like when DSL was launched will go down over time.

No before you all go mad i do agree its not great but some people will use it. Also has anybody compared Eircoms price against other 1way and 2way Sat providers

Villain

Originally posted by TCP/IP
Also has anybody compared Eircoms price against other 1way and 2way Sat providers

Here:
http://broadband.digiweb.ie/pricing.asp

spongebob

Europe On Line is a lot cheaper . €400 gets you

1 Year access pack including DVB card and 80Cm Dish

500Mb D/L
1Gb month .iso s from their cache
1Gb D/L Pack (6 x €30 packs with 2GB each)

You may install yourself or get any sat installer to do it

M

MDR

*** START ***

PRESS RELEASE : IRELAND OFFLINE 27/05/04

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

*** Ireland Offline rejects Eircoms assertion that Broadband is now
universal ***
Dublin, Thursday, May 27: Ireland Offline rejects Eircoms assertion
that Broadband is now universal.

Commenting on the announcement, Ireland Offline's Chairman, Christian
Cooke, said, "Eircom is providing this new service using Satellite
Technologies provided in partnership with Mediasat. These technologies
have a limited application in providing internet access to remote
locations". Mr. Cooke added that "although these technologies have a
place in providing internet access to very rural Ireland, it is
worrying that Eircom are using a technology that telco's across the
Western world have universally rejected".

He believes that "Eircom is simply using this as a sound bite in
advance of its upcoming shareholders meeting. It will be able to say at
that meeting that it is investing in developing new sources of revenue,
when in fact Satellite broadband for most people will be unaffordable
and unusable".

Mr. Cooke explained that "the latency involved with Satellite
communications, the time required for the information to be transmitted
from the base station to the Satellite and back down to the reciever,
is so long it makes many of the killer applications associated with
internet such as gaming and Voice over IP unusable".

He finally said that "this is simply a ploy by Eircom to enable it to
announce the provision of universal Broadband without having to invest
in upgrading its network".

Ireland Offline believes that it is now important that the Managed
Services Entity (MSE), the body responsible for the running of the
MANs, should be nominated as soon as possible by the Government and
that the MSE be directed to offer affordable bandwidth to both large
and small operations]. "Only with affordable backhaul will it be
possible for the community networks to be set up," said Mr. Cooke. The
MSE should also, once established, look to acquiring unused fibre, such
as the Western Digital Corridor, and make this available to community
and commercial networks.

*** END ***

ABOUT IRELAND OFFLINE

The Ireland Offline users group, formed in May 2001 in response to
EsatBT's (then Esat Fusion's) decision to cut off 2,000 subscribers of
its "SurfNoLimits" program, has campaigned for affordable flat rate and
high-speed Internet access services for all of Ireland. For more
information, please visit the Ireland Offline website at
http://www.irelandoffline.org or email chairman@irelandoffline.org

sceptre

Nice press release Ray and co-conspirators. Knocks in the pertinent points as far as I can see.

RicardoSmith

It should also mention the security issues and also why Eircom is unable to resolve line issues even on new lines which prevent many from accessing wired BB solutions.

MDR

Its long gone ... I'll put it in the next on ...

Nuphor

Originally posted by Muck
Europe On Line is a lot cheaper . €400 gets you

1 Year access pack including DVB card and 80Cm Dish

500Mb D/L
1Gb month .iso s from their cache
1Gb D/L Pack (6 x €30 packs with 2GB each)

You may install yourself or get any sat installer to do it

M

Better still, check out CPSat.co.uk.

dahamsta

Originally posted by sceptre
Nice press release Ray and co-conspirators. Knocks in the pertinent points as far as I can see.

Indeed. Good job guys.

adam

watty

Sat products are ONLY any use for file downloads. No use for browsing or form filling.

dahamsta

http://beecher.ie/pheed/?hzdcgy

Internet lobby group Ireland Offline has said that it rejects Eircom's announcement that its broadband service is universal. Chairman Christian Cooke said that Eircom's new service is based on satellite technologies that have a limited application in providing Internet access to remote locations. "It is worrying that Eircom are using a technology that telcos across the Western world have universally rejected," he said. Time delays on satellite-based broadband systems make many of the "killer" applications associated with the Internet, such as gaming and Voice over IP (VoIP), unusable, he added.

Eurorunner

Well done on the press release - its definitely needed to counter this. I wonder to what extent they're going to push this??
I pity the poor individual who hasnt done their homework on what they're signing up to ...ending up with this product.


As has already been pointed out, Europeonline if you must go the satelite route. Their customer service isnt the greatest (although by comparison, it looks a lot more glamourous now:D ) but at €99/year, its not a bad deal.

spongebob

BT launcehed a Trigger scheme in 2002 and also launched a 2 way VSAT , mainly in Scotland. This was the Gilat sat that Digiweb sells, dunno which 2 way sat you use with Mediaweb.

By 2003 BT had stopped pushing VSAT in its media and marketing but retains it in its product offering suite.

It is still available at the following URL but you have to dig through the BTOpenworld Site (their Eircom .Net Internet Access Options type Portal) to find it. Try

http://www.btopenworld.com/satellite

and

http://www.btbroadbandoffice.com/broadband/products

to see the complete BB product suite available in the UK from BT

Meanwhile BT will have well over 96% DSL (or is that 99.6%, can't remember) availibility in the UK overall by next year while Northern Ireland will have 100% DSL or Wireless availibility....obviating the need for VSAT solutions of any kind save in the odd Scottish glen .

BT also stress the suboptimal nature of VSAT on their website Here , saying in essence what Irelandoffline said in their Press Release and what Watty confirmed.

Differences with ADSL

Satellite Broadband is a high speed access product that gives you download speeds of up to 512kbps, and upload speeds of up to 128kbps. However there are some key differences with ADSL.

Satellite has higher latency than ADSL - latency is the time it takes for data to travel between connections, from sender to receiver. It is higher because of the distances involved..
As a result Satellite is fine for web browsing, email, file transfer, secure Internet sites and certain multicast applications however it does NOT yet support Virtual Private Networks (VPNs), peer-2-peer working, online gaming or multicast voice and video streaming e.g. videoconferencing. Advances in technology mean that in time these will become possible.

Satellite is affected by severe weather conditions

Mail Web FTP and SSL are all that VSAT can do.......none of them when it is foggy

M

John R

Originally posted by TCP/IP
I agree that this is not a very good product but if I did live in the ass end of nowere and no broadband would ever be availiable it would be better than nothing and the price just like when DSL was launched will go down over time.

No before you all go mad i do agree its not great but some people will use it. Also has anybody compared Eircoms price against other 1way and 2way Sat providers

Netsystem

1-way satellite €30 a month for 300/350kbps dl with a 6gb cap. A free dvb card and you do your own setup.

There are others too, much better offers are available than eircon, surprisingly. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Watty
Sat products are ONLY any use for file downloads. No use for browsing or form filling.

Not true. I find the one way satellite is useable for browsing (and form filling) the pings are slow but once the website is connected all the data is transferred faster, it is much better than dial-up for browsing image rich websites, you quickly get used to the short delay that occours before the websites start loading. It would probably be annoying for someone used to DSL but it is a big improvement on dial-up.

spongebob

Originally posted by John R
Netsystem

1-way satellite €30 a month for 300/350kbps dl with a 6gb cap. A free dvb card and you do your own setup.

There are others too, much better offers are available than eircon, surprisingly. :rolleyes:
.

There is a €17 a month Netsystem product Here , 300k down and 1.5Gb a month . They were crap last year john R ....have they fixed their issues.

DVB card is €30 though in addition though. You will need a second LNB on your Sky dish or else plug the cable outta the Sky Receiver and into your PC....and thereby risk Domestic Disharmony

M

niallb

http://www.cpsat.co.uk are taking orders again.
It's also on the Astra satellite (They use AVC).

NiallB

The Real B-man

Originally posted by Scruff


actually on 2nd thoughts i wont cause i can only connect over PSTN at 28.8k....
€ircon bastards!

thats a crap dial up connection is your modem port speed at 115200? you should get a good few more kb out of it. i live in Kilcoole co.wicklow(glenroe) i can get BB and have dial up speeds of 45.2k +

tuxy

Originally posted by The Real B-man
thats a crap dial up connection is your modem port speed at 115200? you should get a good few more kb out of it. i live in Kilcoole co.wicklow(glenroe) i can get BB and have dial up speeds of 45.2k +

hes line may be pair gained ;/

John R

Originally posted by Muck
There is a €17 a month Netsystem product Here , 300k down and 1.5Gb a month . They were crap last year john R ....have they fixed their issues.

It has been very reliable for most of the last year. I have had it for almost two years now, I will be cancelling in July as I can now get DSL. You are right it was very bad last year; during the day and especially at weekends speeds woud drop to below dial-up speeds, although I had the 1Mbps overnight service which was much better. They added a second transponder this year and it has been completely reliable for many months now. TBH the most use I get from it is for downloads which I get overnight as I still have the higher speed at night but this is not available to new subscribers anymore.

I wouldn't go so far as to reccomend it to anyone, but if nothing else is available and you have access to a satellite dish it is a useful option to consider and they do seem to have gotten over most of the problems that they used to have.

DVB card is €30 though in addition though. You will need a second LNB on your Sky dish or else plug the cable outta the Sky Receiver and into your PC....and thereby risk Domestic Disharmony

M

That wouldn't work anyway as it is from Astra at 19E not 28E where SKY digital is, a second LNB would be necessary.

Aquos76

Originally posted by Ronan|Raven
I remember reading this on a satellite forum I use. Some pimp from mediasat was telling everyone how great it is. He even went as far as to say eircom wont upgrade any more exchanges as this is where its at! I did chuckle. Also the sheer price to install sat solutions is a complete rip off imho.

Was it on satdudez that you read about it? I will post a link to the site but I think you have to be registered with them before they will allow you to read.

http://www.satdudez-forumz.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52550&highlight=broadband+in+ireland

I also thought the same after reading through it.

Has anyone tried out www.netbooster.ie. This site got a write up in our local paper last week. Atleast they will allow you to do a self install.

watty

Originally posted by John R
Netsystem

1-way satellite €30 a month for 300/350kbps dl with a 6gb cap. A free dvb card and you do your own setup.

There are others too, much better offers are available than eircon, surprisingly. :rolleyes:




Not true. I find the one way satellite is useable for browsing (and form filling) the pings are slow but once the website is connected all the data is transferred faster, it is much better than dial-up for browsing image rich websites, you quickly get used to the short delay that occours before the websites start loading. It would probably be annoying for someone used to DSL but it is a big improvement on dial-up.

The dial up circuit still needs to work. Mine mostly doesn't. If mine did work I wouln't need satellite.


I stand corrected on browsing.

Friday I connected a Web server one end of a 1.2K (yes ONLY 1200 baud!!!) packet radio link and browsed at other end . Ping time was 1900ms to 2400ms on a 25m distance.. About as much latency as sateliite. But 200 times to 500 times slower data through put.

Text only pages about as fast as faxes. Colour photo pages up to 45 minutes!

Unlike my eircom dialup, or satellite with eircom dialup uplink/upstream, it will run all day without breaking and at zero cost!

mickcomer

i have a friend that moved to wexford planning to work from home but with dial-up speed of 8 kbps(the small ones) his internet was unusable. my knowledge on all this is not very good but i have been using satdrive one-way service for a while (good for downloading especially at night) and i wonder if this would work for him or is his connection too slow to provide a decent up-link.

also whats the feedback like on the digiweb two-way satellite system because, even though it's pretty expensive he would save because at the moment he has to rent an office in the town.

Urban Weigl

It would get him sorted in terms of downloading. The internet is really about interactive applications though, like sending and receiving email attachments, VPN's, video and voice conferencing, gaming, etc..

It won't help with those.

If he just wants to download large files though, satellite internet is perfect.

John R

One way sat would improve things somewhat but it would still be badly compromised by having 8kbps upstream, even browsing and downloading would be slowed by the lack of a reasonable return rate.

mickcomer

thanks for the replies, iwas thinking the same myself, i supose his best bet would be to try to hook up with a wireless network or two-way sat.

Capt'n Midnight

Satellite = Universal ?

Only if you can see the bloody thing, admittedly a lot of people in the sticks yould have some leeway in the site for thier dish BUT..
many people in the centre of small towns and villages, most of those in apartment complexes, in the shadow of mountains etc will not be able to connect. (kinda important since a lot of exchanges ain't upgraded yet)

anyone know what % of people can't get SKY ?