If you had a gun, would you use it?

Villain · 19-04-2004 05:55PM

I've owned shotguns in the past and hoping to buy a semi automatic shotgun shortly, if someone threatened my life or a member of my familys life I would defend myself/them by wounding the person non fatally

Giblet · 19-04-2004 05:56PM

You make it sound like he intended to use it for criminal intent, rather than a deterrant.

Mighty_Mouse · 19-04-2004 05:56PM

who the **** are you to talk about my family.

Ya man! Dont be like talking about his family and stuff, dude. I mean like how stupid are you not to understand that illegally shooting someone with an illegal handgun is legal in a gun shop. You know nothing man!!!

Samson · 19-04-2004 05:57PM

Originally posted by Giblet
You make it sound like he intended to use it for criminal intent, rather than a deterrant.

It don't matter.
Just having it is a criminal offence.

Giblet · 19-04-2004 05:57PM

Oh I see another guy making assumptions, read my post above.

Samson · 19-04-2004 05:57PM

Originally posted by Mighty_Mouse
Ya man! Dont be like talking about his family and stuff, dude. I mean like how stupid are you not to understand that illegally shooting someone with an illegal handgun is legal in a gun shop. You know nothing man!!!

TouchÃ©

Cake Fiend · 19-04-2004 07:02PM

Captain Samson, thanks ever so much for your moral advice in this thread, I'm sure deep down Giblet and those other rascals appreciate it just as much as the rest of us do. Whatever the world would do without caped crusaders such as yourself, I just don't know.

:rolleyes:

Returning (just about) to the original (stupid) topic, you wouldn't need an AK-47 to rob a bank. In fact, you'd have a hard time getting anywhere with an AK-47 without being noticed. If you're going for firearms, you'd want something more easily concealable, like a pistol or sawn-off. Hell, you mightn't even need a lethal weapon on your person to rob a bank - remember the story about the phone-robber in Pulp Fiction?

Plus, there's a hell of a lot more to robbing a bank than having scary armament. You think having two AK-47s is going to stop you being caught? Or shot by the ARU? You need tactics more than you need weapons.

I'm not even going to address the problem with assuming someone would automatically want to use a firearm for malintent, I'm sure everyone sees this and this is obviously a highly hypothetical/abstract topic.

Raphael · 19-04-2004 07:11PM

Hell, you can even rob a bank with a highlighter, as seen with bruce willis in bandits

Samson · 19-04-2004 07:43PM

Originally posted by Sico
Captain Samson, thanks ever so much for your moral advice in this thread, I'm sure deep down Giblet and those other rascals appreciate it just as much as the rest of us do. Whatever the world would do without caped crusaders such as yourself, I just don't know.

You're welcome.

But seriously:
Quite frankly (my dear), I don't care whether my opinions or moralising are appreciated or not. Populist I'm not.
However, I'm also not so immature to play along, this thread screams immaturity, exemplified by people bragging about having illegal firearms and posting photos of themselves waving .357 Magnums around.
And as we all know, boys and girls, immaturity and guns don't mix.

Bard · 19-04-2004 07:45PM

Originally posted by Boston
Did you buy that here? because if you did it will probably snap in half the first time it hits anthing solid. These are the only kind of swords available here. Either way it looks cool.

Yes, I bought that in Ireland, and believe me - it's tough enough! It's hit plenty of solid things in the (short) time I've had it and has left it's mark...

I doubt your expertise on what are "the only kind of swords available here" anyway. This sword is thick, heavy, strong and far from being 'purely an ornament'.

michaelanthony · 19-04-2004 07:46PM

Shoot bastard crows that eat up the grain after its been sown in the ground.

Ryo Hazuki · 19-04-2004 09:16PM

I know someone, ended up smuggling his steryr home from his last post.

He had an ak-74u also, but got rid of it after neighbours got suspicious of rapid full auto rifle fire and flying shell casings.

eirebhoy · 19-04-2004 10:04PM

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
Seriously now.

Most of us here are students or have normal jobs.

Let's say you got your hands on two AK-47's. They could change your life if you so chose.

Would you use them to rob a bank? Or would you just stick them in your wardrobe (or something similar)?

...

In other words, is the only thing stopping you from being a criminal just a lack of firepower?

Yes, I know this is a weird topic, but personally I think if I had a couple of hire powered weapons I'd be robbing banks etc. So deep down I guess I must be a "criminal".

It really isn't that hard to get a gun these days...

Deadwing · 19-04-2004 10:14PM

Originally posted by Samson
And as we all know, boys and girls, immaturity and guns don't mix.

However, being an ignorant spineless lightweigt and the starting drama on the internet, do. As proved by Samson here. Thank you for that wonderful demonstration, we've all been enlightened.

Barry Aldwell · 19-04-2004 10:27PM

Originally posted by Ryo Hazuki
I know someone, ended up smuggling his steryr home from his last post.

Never mind that the quartermaster keeps records of all rifles issued, and a missing one would be treated quite seriously.

pork99 · 19-04-2004 10:54PM

Originally posted by Johnny Versace

Would you use them to rob a bank? Or would you just stick them in your wardrobe (or something similar)?

...

In other words, is the only thing stopping you from being a criminal just a lack of firepower?

Yes, I know this is a weird topic, but personally I think if I had a couple of hire powered weapons I'd be robbing banks etc. So deep down I guess I must be a "criminal".

For a start these lads are probably quicker on the draw than you.

Secondly armed robberies & bank raids are primarily for losers. I saw the statistics once, and as far as I remember, on average you get about E5,000 from an armed robbery and you have an 80% chance of being detected and arrested (if you you are lucky, shot by the lads above you are not). It's a mug's game.

Crimes like computer fraud or credit card fraud give you the opportunity to take a lot more money for a much lower chance of ending up in prison or getting shot. That's what the smart crooks are into.

Cake Fiend · 19-04-2004 11:13PM

Immature or not, what's the problem, Samson? Let the boys have their fun. As long as this stays as a discussion on an internet chat board, they're not doing anyone any harm. If any of these people were actually planning to harm someone with these firearms, I don't think your moral crusading would stop them. Nor do I believe that this kind of discussion would encourage them. All you have done, in my opinion, is given yourself the image of a nagging nanny-type, and thus lost yourself credibility.

This was an immature thread to begin with, do you think you can turn it around and get everyone on the straight-and-narrow? Or should you maybe just ignore it?

the_syco · 20-04-2004 01:45PM

Originally posted by irish1
I've owned shotguns in the past and hoping to buy a semi automatic shotgun shortly, if someone threatened my life or a member of my familys life I would defend myself/them by wounding the person non fatally

DUMB F**K. They'd sue you then. And get you thrown into jail. And then they cold do wot ever they want to your family.

If someone threatened my family, and I know they were serious, I'd get rid of them.

=====

Back to the topic; if I had an AK47, I'd use it for aiming practise

And after I get good @ it, I'd put it away, for, erm, "emergency use"

pork99 · 20-04-2004 02:05PM

Originally posted by the_syco
If someone threatened my family, and I know they were serious, I'd get rid of them.

I could happily use an AK47 on this piece of vermin

I'd be quite happy to go prison for ridding the world of a piece of sh|t like that. And I would sleep soundly afterwards.

df001i6876 · 20-04-2004 03:13PM

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
OK, maybe I'm not being too serious, but my point is... is it just the laws (no guns etc.) which is keeping a lot of us from becoming criminals?

I have a spud gun ? one off the old ones well worth 5 kg off potatoes.
no good for shooting people . make mash potatoes.
I"ll let you have it that ] al capone would say. that hands up and hand over
?hmmm

][cEMAN** · 20-04-2004 03:34PM

Originally posted by Bard
Yes, I bought that in Ireland, and believe me - it's tough enough! It's hit plenty of solid things in the (short) time I've had it and has left it's mark...

I doubt your expertise on what are "the only kind of swords available here" anyway. This sword is thick, heavy, strong and far from being 'purely an ornament'.

As you say bard it's not where you buy it, but more to do with what you buy. Grade 440 steel is for actual use. Grade 420 is more for show and will snap. There are loads of places selling swords which you can use. Just ask about the quality/grade of the steel first.

I don't feel anything else in this thread is worth replying to because it's so packed full of bull****. Guns are just guns mmmkay? If you want to make up for something, why not just smoke a nice big cigar.

df001i6876 · 20-04-2004 05:56PM

Originally posted by ][cEMAN**
As you say bard it's not where you buy it, but more to do with what you buy. Grade 440 steel is for actual use. Grade 420 is more for show and will snap. There are loads of places selling swords which you can use. Just ask about the quality/grade of the steel first.

I don't feel anything else in this thread is worth replying to because it's so packed full of bull****. Guns are just guns mmmkay? If you want to make up for something, why not just smoke a nice big cigar.

freezes and put yer hands up
ill shoot yerrr with me spud < give me yerrr cigar i hope it cuban good they arrr

User45701 · 20-04-2004 06:02PM

This makes no sence to me, the lack of a gun is not stoping me from from being violent. If i decided to "shoot up" a school ,workplace or work place i would simply use a weapon instead of a gun if i didnt have a gun. (yes i know using a weapon is not "shooting up" but its still a mad rampage)

Boston · 20-04-2004 06:58PM

Originally posted by Bard
Yes, I bought that in Ireland, and believe me - it's tough enough! It's hit plenty of solid things in the (short) time I've had it and has left it's mark...

I doubt your expertise on what are "the only kind of swords available here" anyway. This sword is thick, heavy, strong and far from being 'purely an ornament'.

I'm not an expert, just I know that all swords like that sold in Ireland are "ment" to have a built in flaw in them so they snap in half before they would, say, go through an arm or the like.

Dooom · 20-04-2004 07:06PM

In reply to Bostons' post, the majority of swords (replicas usually but a lot others) have rat-tail tang constructions, so if there was a full contact with something, the blacde would most likely snap off near the hilt. That's not to say that it still wouldn't cause damage. However, a lot of swords (nearly all katanas, tantos etc. etc., and other normal medieval swords) can be bought with a full tang, that is to say they are/can be used for full contact use. But as Iceman said, the grade of the materials used is usually a high factor in determining the strength and quality of the sword...

Samson · 20-04-2004 07:18PM

Originally posted by Deadwing
However, being an ignorant spineless lightweigt(sic) and the starting drama on the internet, do.

Excuse me?
Do want to get shot sonny?

Samson · 20-04-2004 07:20PM

Originally posted by Sico
If any of these people were actually planning to harm someone with these firearms, I don't think your moral crusading would stop them.

I agree.

Boston · 20-04-2004 07:38PM

Originally posted by Spike
In reply to Bostons' post, the majority of swords (replicas usually but a lot others) have rat-tail tang constructions, so if there was a full contact with something, the blacde would most likely snap off near the hilt. That's not to say that it still wouldn't cause damage. However, a lot of swords (nearly all katanas, tantos etc. etc., and other normal medieval swords) can be bought with a full tang, that is to say they are/can be used for full contact use. But as Iceman said, the grade of the materials used is usually a high factor in determining the strength and quality of the sword...

Yep thats what I was talking about.

Senor_Fudge · 20-04-2004 08:32PM

i own 2 guns both mossberg 6 shot pump action shotguns
i use them responsibly and am legally entitled to hold them both
im getting a nice 22 air rifle yipeee ^_^

id never shoot someone its against the law

Johnny Versace · 21-04-2004 07:55AM

Originally posted by Senor_Fudge
id never shoot someone its against the law

So your first... issue... is not a moral one??

If you had a gun, would you use it?

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