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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ferdi


    alot of shite passes for art - this is some of it. that child is too young to decide if she wants her nude picture displayed as art. therfore i would class it as abuse if nothing else

    here is some nude art, the models here are all old enough to decide if their bodies are going to be art.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Superman


    yeah ferds its omz here (my alter ego, i got a litlle banning in the other account)

    that picture was out of line, i'd say it had alot to do with benneton trying to be cutting edge and rocking the boat way too much.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    Far be it from me to succumb to the knee-jerk reaction and "BAN THIS SICK FILTH!" mentality of your average tea-sipping, catholic house-wife... But...

    While I do agree that it's an interesting peice of art, and I can certainly appreciate the idea behind it, if being a little disturbed at first... We really do have to keep in mind that not everything is going to be used solely for its intended purpose.

    What I'm trying to say here is, that despite the fact that the pictures are intended to be viewed and contemplated as an artistic statement, there's nothing stopping hundreds of grown men 'Whipping it out' and jerking off over them.

    Furthermore, in the reactionary society we are living in, I find it hard to beleive that this thought had not entered the mother's mind, and reguardless of the intent of the pictures, she has put her child on display in the nude for anyone and everyone to "Enjoy" in any way they see fit. And it's a scary thought that a mother would knowingly expose their child to such an audience.

    I can't honestly imagine how this might haunt/scar the poor kid in years to come.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,377 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    It may not be porn, but I do feel it's exploiting the child. I wouldn't have liked it if my mother did that to me when I was younger.

    Having your naked baby photos shown to your girlfriend when she comes round is embarrassing enough without half the British isles seeing them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 329 ✭✭Walter Ego


    Why does anybody buy the Sun in the first place?I wouldn't put it in the cat's litter tray. It's only a rag.


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,250 Mod ✭✭✭✭flogen


    couldnt agree more Silent Death, it is a piece of dogsh1t, with no real news, terribly inacurrate reporting and sometimes rediculously right winged takes on the news.

    Im doing Journalism in college at the mo, and we have a tutor who used to work in the Irish press, all he does is tell us drinking stories and bad mouth the Sun using complex strings of intellectual words and phrases.... he teaches us some times too.... great laugh

    Flogen


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,250 Mod ✭✭✭✭flogen


    just to add to the topic, the sun today published the supposed art piece again today, although they didnt go so far to print the actual child porn.... not as bad as yesterday i suppose...

    Flogen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,890 ✭✭✭embee


    You should write a letter to Gerry Ryan detailing your outrage......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 574 ✭✭✭Silent Grape


    'supposed art piece'........ tut.

    sorry, but eh, how is the pic 'abuse'.

    and the 'porn' one isnt porn. what is so sexually explicit about it? a lad jerking off whilst looking at a photo of his girlfriend doesnt make the photo 'porn'.

    ur friends were just being arty elitists for saying that art is really made for those 'in the know'. thats ridiculous. arts for everyone. its easier to understand, maybe, if ur in college or whatever, but that doesnt make it an 'in joke'. stoopid pretensious annoying people! thing is, ur not 'supposed' to take anything from a painting etc, what u feel with it is exactly what is 'supposed' to happen. and if u hate it, thats cool, if i was an artist trying to make everyone like my work id go mental! there is no right or wrong way to feel about these things.

    y dont u research this artist woman if ur so into it. i dont like the pics myself. i dont see anything wrong with them tho. if my mum used me in photos when i was little id think she was really cool.

    angelwhore, so u think that ithe artist is responsible for the scumbags who see the pics as other than art. how do u know the thought wasnt in the mothers mind? i think its a pretty ballsy thing to do, saying **** u to the scum, im going to create this and ur perversions are not going to stop me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭Nuttzz


    thats what you get for reading the sun...............


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,250 Mod ✭✭✭✭flogen


    sorry Silent Grape, but for all your cursing of pretentious arty people, you are being quite pretentious yourself.
    What is art is a matter of opinion. My opinion is that alot of modern 'art' is rubbish and should not be considered art. and this picture is not art, it is a bad decision made by the mother to publish a naked picture of her daughter across the world.

    And porn does not have to be explicit, do you think that the girl has to be conducting a sexual act for it to be porn?

    You may be happy for your mother to put nude pictures of you online, but the fact is you would have no say in the matter, and may, in 10 years or more, be adversly effected by the happening

    And art should be for everyone, but its not IMO. the 'art' that I refered to before gave me nothing other than anger at the fact that they were being payed for such tripe.... no beauty, no raised questions, nothing of artistic merit. I dont expect art to appeal to everyone, but I dont know anyone who actually likes modern art, so who is it appealing to?

    And it is a mothers responsibility to protect her child from such possible harm, not expose them to it. If she didnt think of the possible use for the picture then she was extrememly irresponsible as a parent. If she did, but decided to print them as a stand against paedophiles, then she is an idiot and seems unaware of consequences

    Flogen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,828 ✭✭✭ven0m


    I'm sure the artist's intention wasn't for her work to be child porn - but her naievity & the sick twisted bastards out there will only take it & use it for their own sick & twisted means... which apparently has already happened.... if you ask me they should lock paedo's in a room with IRA arms to be decommissioned & blow the lot to hell.... paedo's CANNOT be reformed, & the %'s for reformation from alot of organisations dealing in child sex abuse show research to that affect.....

    the world just gets worse.....although the artist really shoulda put 2 & 2 together & realised what COULD happen to her work & how it could have found it's way into seeider channels of distribution..... silly silly woman!!!

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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,250 Mod ✭✭✭✭flogen


    got this back from hotline.ie as regards a complaint I made to them on the publication of the image on the Sun website... and it looks as though the image does not legally constitute as child porn:
    Thank you for submitting your report to the www.hotline.ie service. Your report has been investigated.

    The www.hotline.ie service handles cases of Child Pornography on the Internet which is specifically illegal under the 1998 Child Pornography and Trafficking Act. If the material you reported turns out to be confirmed child pornography action will be taken.

    Your report about material published in a news paper is outside the remit of the Hotline. As there is no "Press Council" in Ireland you may make a complaint directly to the Editor of the Sun or, if you believe what they have published is obscene, you may report it to the Gardaí. Alternatively, complaints may be made to the Censorship of Publications Office, 13 Lr Hatch St., Dublin 2. I understand their procedures require the complaint in writing along with three different, recent copies of the periodical (newspaper) to back your complaint.


    In relation to the online version, despite the Sun's banner headlines claiming these images are "Child Pornography", it is the opinion of the Hotline that they do not constitute illegal images under Irish legislation.
    - Especially in the form published with blackout areas and within the context of the article.

    This is backed up by the very fact that they were published in the paper, you can be sure their legal people were extremely careful to ensure that none of these images constitute an illegal image in any of the jurisdictions where the Sun is sold.

    Irrespective of whether an image is offensive in one's personal opinion, The Hotline can only act according to the strict definition of the law as it stands today. For your information, below is an extract of the relevant part from the Irish legislation.

    [No. 22.] Child Trafficking and Pornography [1998.] Act, 1998.
    ‘‘child’’ means a person under the age of 17 years;
    ‘‘child pornography’’ means—
    (a) any visual representation—
    (i) that shows or, in the case of a document, relates to a
    person who is or is depicted as being a child and
    who is engaged in or is depicted as being engaged in
    explicit sexual activity,
    (ii) that shows or, in the case of a document, relates to a
    person who is or is depicted as being a child and who
    is or is depicted as witnessing any such activity by
    any person or persons, or
    (iii) whose dominant characteristic is the depiction, for a
    sexual purpose, of the genital or anal region of a child,
    (b) any audio representation of a person who is or is represented
    as being a child and who is engaged in or is
    represented as being engaged in explicit sexual activity,
    (c) any visual or audio representation that advocates, encourages
    or counsels any sexual activity with children which
    is an offence under any enactment, or
    (d) any visual representation or description of, or information
    relating to, a child that indicates or implies that the child
    is available to be used for the purpose of sexual exploitation
    within the meaning of section 3,
    The Internet content to which you refer in your report is hosted on servers which are outside of Irish jurisdiction.

    The Hotline receives many reports of sites containing the type of images shown as being available on "Child Pornography" sites. The sites reported have been hosted outside of Irish jurisdiction. However, where images contravene Irish law, The Hotline gathers relevant technical information about the location and hosting service and report these details to the Gardaí, so they may be referred through Interpol to be acted on by the relevant law enforcement agencies.


    Best regards

    Paul

    so it looks as though the Sun didnt really do anything illegal (however as the e-mail says, these laws dont really reflect moral obligations).
    May I also point out that at the moment, if a paper breaches regulations of good taste etc, the most they can be made do is print an apology. They are not forced to pay a fine, suspend the editor/writer or anything. The apology doesnt even have to be prominently placed in the paper...

    Rediculous really (just look at the star/indo today, the cover shows a picture of the madrid bomb scene where you can quite vividly see a decapitated head.... heres a pdf file of the cover if anyone want to see it: http://unison.ie/irish_independent/frontpagepdfs/2004/10581.pdf... its abit much IMO... no-one needs to see that to realise just how big a tragedy it is)....Made me resepect the indo alot less.

    Flogen


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