Ever been started on for no reason?

Civilian_Target · 01-03-2004 02:43AM

Yes, I've been started for no reason. The last occassion was on December 1st by a group of skangers, but managed to leg-it out of that one. I live on the Lisburn Road in Belfast, it's not exactly uncommon. One of my house mates was beaten unconcious around the corner in July by a group of 6-8 drunks. Last month a friend had knife waved at him in a pub toilet. And the funniest thing is, as Belfast goes its not a bad area, it hasn't even got coloured pavements or flags.

Overall it wouldn't surprise me if there's more crime in Belfast than the entire of the south.

**edit**

I have never started anyone, and as far as I know have never caused offence that led to me being started.

dglancy · 01-03-2004 02:49AM

Overall it wouldn't surprise me if there's more crime in Belfast than the entire of the south.

I've often had that impression (really have), but in the few times I've been to Belfast (as a kinda drinking tourist), I never had or seen any hassle.

Mind you, I could never could figure out why refugees fleeing persecution would head to Northern Ireland for safety!

Civilian_Target · 01-03-2004 02:50AM

Originally posted by aphex™

If you're 6 foot 3, you're going to attract the wrong sort of attention. you'd better be able to defend yourself.

I'm 6 foot 5, and I'm light for my height at only 12 stone. For the last few years my long legs have carried me out of fights damn quickly, and while I don't have enough stamina to go a long way, most people who will start you are too drunk to run as quickly as me anyway. I don't think I attract much attention when it comes to being started, when part of a group that gets started, it's always someone else who is jumped first instead of me.

That said, if forced to, I will fight, although I haven't had to in years and would probably get my shít kicked in anyway. Better to have tried and failed than just failed IMHO.

And Aphex, if you want to beat **** out of spides/skangers, you have my full support. I have NEVER been attacked by someone that I wouldn't consider to be a spide.

i_am_dogboy · 01-03-2004 02:58AM

Someone I work with had his ear bitten on friday for conversing with some people in a pub, he's now barred from the pub too.........probably for having his ear bitten there.

Cake Fiend · 01-03-2004 06:21AM

Originally posted by aphex™
a)dont listen to people like bugler and his laws, scumbags dont obey laws, unless you're in town the cops never catch the scumbags anyway.

c)again, dont listen to bugler, people like him will start quoting various acts of the Oreachtas as he gets beaten up. This wont get you anywhere and you've just to fight back. Harder.

This is some of the worst advice I've ever seen given out on boards. The type of person who goes around habitually attacking people is the kind of person who has very little to lose. These people will be the first to try to sue if they're involved in an altercation they come out the worst of. Scumbags don't obey laws, but they'll always try to exploit the system to their gain. In the laws eyes, two people fighting are generally seen as both guilty of an offence. It's only when it's very clear that the victim was definitely not the aggressor that they will be deemed innocent. If you win a fight, or if you fare better than your opponent, even if you didn't start the fight, you will most likely be judged guilty.

Aphex, the impression I get of you from your posts on this thread is that you go around practically looking for a fight to 'settle the score' of your ego. This will most likely lead you into trouble. You say that you 'train every day' for this anticipated battle. I've been involved in martial arts since a young enough age, and undoubtably the most valuable thing I learned was not to get into fights. It's a bad idea. If you are on the receiving end of a random act of habitual violence, the odds are that you won't come out completely unscathed. Go and have a read of the Self-Defence/Martial Arts board to see the kind of mindset people who have been 'training' for years or decades have - see how we differ from you.

As a side note, you seem fond of bitching on the subject of your dislike of 'typical boards members'. If you dislike us so much, why not fuck off somewhere else?

Shabadu · 01-03-2004 10:13AM

The testosterone flying around here is shocking... Why can't we all just get along? I've read pretty much all your stories and some, a minority, not all, seem a tad exaggerated. As someone who was attacked and received spinal bruising, broken nose, 2 black eyes, jaw wonkyness (wonkiness?) I feel justified in saying get over it, I did. Try and find something positive from your personal experience and move on. I thought this thread was going to be slightly humourous and anecdotal, which is why I told my story, definitely didn't imagine it would just be an excuse for some people to be aggressive themselves.

And when I say learn something from your experience I don't mean carry a screwdriver just in case. Skangers are like predatory animals, they can smell trouble.

Mighty_Mouse · 01-03-2004 12:36PM

Been whupped a couple of times! also! Im a big guy and agree that big guys get hassle.
For a couple of reasons ............bigger more obvious target, and also very distinctive so if get hassle once or are mouthy theyll remember you!!!! also bump into more people (people tend to remember you for everything you do!), !

I'm not sure what I've done differently but havent had any hassle in the last few yrs. I think theres only one way to approach these situations.

1 - be confident(quietly/silently) in all situations of confrontation (cocky within you self). Nobody willl start will a guy that seems unafraid, assured etc. But mouth off and its a scrap.

2 - try never to walk through a town at 2 in the morn on your own! Only a large gang of scumbags will try more than one person.

3 - being "think and ignorant" thinking you cant be beat the world because you are big; will get you kicking most times.

Always, always try and walk away. " dont you really need a fight everynight?" , "any chance of going home to the caravan without fighting", "oh, its dole day tomorrow, you dont wanna spend all you money on plastersdo ya!!?, " I suppose I'd be an angry person too If my arse was sore from mouthjoy...........I understand your issues", "No I dont wanna buy a gate", (repeatedly as they talk to you)

Only j/king above.

Just keep mouth shut in most situations and low profile and you'll be grand.

Remember ---- nobody is in regular confrontations without being prone to scrapping and therefore you fall in to the category of being a thug yourself!!!! As for carrying a screwdriver. What would you say about somebody you call a scumbag carrying a similar weapon!!!

Ps.
To the previous poster. If someone grabbed me by the back of the nick..........they'd get a fat lip too. Oh and the whole "i didnt want to hurt him" lark............ give us a break!

cournioni · 01-03-2004 01:29PM

I don't normally get started on because I'm pretty big, but you always get one or two drunken twats start on you. One time I was out in a nightclub in Newry, some guy hit me a punch in the shoulder and I saw a load of lads standing staring at me in a circle. So I just turned around and levelled the guy who hit me onto the ground with one punch and walked out the door.

Stark · 01-03-2004 02:28PM

Any time I cut my hair short I get started on more times by gardai than by the actual scumbags they're supposedly there to protect you from.

Don't get hassle when I grow my hair slightly longer (about an inch long) which just goes to show they're discriminating bastards.

Michelangelo · 01-03-2004 02:30PM

Ps.
To the previous poster. If someone grabbed me by the back of the nick..........they'd get a fat lip too. Oh and the whole "i didnt want to hurt him" lark............ give us a break!

I assume that is directed at me. Fair enough. I grabbed him by his t-shirt and told him if he wanted to verbally abuse me for being in the company of a girl he is obsessed with, then to be a man and say it to my face. Then about 5/6 of his rugby mates came over telling me to back off. And i did obligingly.

But the point of the matter is, this cowardly fool wouldn't have said jack to me if the situation was reversed as in me being there with a room full of lads instead of another lad and 2 girls. I was there with my best friend, his girlfriend and this girl who is only a friend(hardly a fighting group eh? Two birds and two lads against a massive group?). And he didn't like it for one reason or another and that was that. So basically, the lad is a coward and I am so happy I walked away because there is nothing wrong with my lip(two days later), there is not even a dent and I am not in pain and that is that. I still am friends with the people I went with so there is no problem. The guy is a coward.

uberwolf · 01-03-2004 02:39PM

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
I'm from Blackrock, but didn't go to Blackrock college. My friends who did go to this school and it's equivalents are all quite similar - aggressive, disrespectful and fearless.

The schools have to be training them to be like this...

I went to one of these schools, we called the attitude wannabe, as in wannabe scumbag. They're worse in some respects because they feel they have something to prove every time they're out, fake accents that they lose when they go home.

ykt0di9url7bc3 · 01-03-2004 02:51PM

I nearly always had it coming to me...

but I always gave as good as i got, or ran when the odds were against me...

walked away from a a few people...

part & parcel of being young imho...although i'm not the person to start a fight i always aim to land the first hit...most of the time i saw it coming and acted first and quickest...

got some of it in sports...always went in hard for the ball against those huge thundering skill-less idiots, and usually got my arse beat off the pitch

smoke.me.a.kipper · 01-03-2004 03:03PM

christmas eve, 2 years ago, bout 12 me and a mate were steamin, going to get taxi home. 2 lads came over and asked my mate for the time. one of them just started hitting him and pushed him up against a shutter and continued 'working the body'. meanwhile... the other lad just smacked me in the jaw. with blood running down my chin, i just turned to him and said 'what are you doing?'. the guy hitting my mate stopped and the two of them just walked away.

now im not a violent person, dont like scraps (if you've seen me you'll know im not the biggest person) but i dont think they were expecting me to just say 'what are you doing' in the most calm of voices.

Da_cOmRaDe_MiKe · 01-03-2004 03:23PM

was working 1 night in xtravision. my dad picked me up from work and dropped me up to my m8's house. 6 of us were just standing around talking... anyway around 12:30 i decided to head home. i only lived about 5 mins walk from here... and ive walked this way home for years... passed the same houses... anyway i passed a group of lads i know very well and said well lads... then suddenly they just attacked me! chased me to about 30 feet from my house and kicked the **** out of me on the road. i managed to get up and limp home. they even chased me to the door... police were called and everything. a few of them arrested or something.. well i found out it was over nothing. one of the lads told me in school that they were drunk and stoned and just acting a spastic... they even threatened me to keep my mouth shut or they would do it again... shame really... im just gonna have to get them back for it... its been over 8 months now.. i finally got a list of the 15 or so lads who were there. only 1 of them helped me and tried to stop them. so the rest will get theres....

am i right to get them back?? i wouldnt ever do the same but i want to fight them 1 on 1. i know i would easily win.. thats the problem. they knew they could only win as a group.. Should i just let it go??

Puck · 01-03-2004 03:27PM

Just let it go and get on with your life. Once you start down that road it's hard to stop.

Ronaldo7 · 01-03-2004 03:42PM

Let it go.

It's not worth it. 1 on 1 is not the problem. Its 6 on 1 thats something to worry about and they will do it.

ferdi · 01-03-2004 04:21PM

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
I don't normally get started on because I'm pretty big

whats your point?
i'm pretty small and i dont get started on.

2 more points i have to make:

1) i dont wish to speak ill of the dead but i live in blackrock and i heard that brian murphy was always mouthing off and stirring shyt when he was out.

2) anyone who goes out carrying a screwdriver deserves to be beaten.

Michelangelo · 01-03-2004 04:28PM

1) i dont wish to speak ill of the dead but i live in blackrock and i heard that brian murphy was always mouthing off and stirring shyt when he was out.

I live in Blackrock too. I heard the exact same stuff too about him before this whole thing even went to court. My point is: He was 18 and drunk. Does that warrant him to get isolated on his own and have his head danced on?

PS: You can say they didn't dance on his head but I know people who are constantly getting into fights among themselves and physically hurting each other and breaking limbs because of it. Why aren't they dead? Because the people they fight don't kick anyone in the head when they fall to the ground.

ferdi · 01-03-2004 04:38PM

Originally posted by Michaelangelo
Does that warrant him to get isolated on his own and have his head danced on?/

of course not, the guys who did it should deffo be sent down. i'm just saying it wasnt a case of "Ever been started on for no reason?" as the title of this thread suggests./

cournioni · 01-03-2004 04:50PM

Originally posted by ferdi
whats your point?
i'm pretty small and i dont get started on.

My point is that I don't get started on because I'm big and well capable to take care of myself. People are intimidated by that. So I'm told anyway.

You're small and people (unless they're real bastards don't start on small guys).

Civilian_Target · 01-03-2004 06:06PM

Pornapster: What the hell were you doing going out in Newry? You're not unfortunate enough to live there I hope

And I agree, at 6 foot 5, that big guys get started more oftenm although weight is probably a more important factor than height.

And the best way to go is quietly self-assured. If you're 6 foot 5, and walk tall and act with reasonable confidence, there's going to be 3 of them before they take you on. Eitherway, I'm not the type to get cornered (although it's happened before) and I can run damn quickly

Ever been started on for no reason?

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